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Iran orders more enrichment, prompting US to call for the world to stand together

Is it time for NATO to take military action against Iran?

  • Yes

    Votes: 13 30.2%
  • No

    Votes: 27 62.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 3 7.0%

  • Total voters
    43
France what? :shock:
Wait, are you surprised it oversee's Africa? I mean, they did screw it up down there. French forces are engaged in its territories abroad, in NATO its contribution isn't that great. The UK contributes far more and has much more credibility in attacking Iran alone. I find it very hard to believe France would press any button without the US doing it first. Sorry, but its how it is. I didnt see Europe step a foot in the ME until the Americans did it first.

France isnt in NATO man... Geez.. :doh
 
Of course they can. They have nuclear weapons and the most advanced military in the ME.

The problem is, if they do, they need the backing of most of the world to handle the backlash of some creepy arab alliance that will act against Israel as a response to their "unreasonable" attack against Iran, and Israeli/American "imperialism".

WRONG.

The Egyptians have already given Israel permission to fly through their airspace to hit Iran. WHAT DOES THIS TELL YOU?

The Saudis hate Iran as much as the rest of the world does. Iran's only real ally is Syria. Syria and the babbling moron who runs it are no match for Israel. Israel will reduce Syria to a smoldering dung heap.

NOBODY in the middle east wants Iran to have nuclear arms.... NOBODY. There will be public condemnation but that is as far is it will go.
 
Is one regime all you could name? There are currently tons of regimes with UN sanctions. North Korea probably the most obvious one, and look, they are sending rockets to space.
You asked if sanctions have ever worked and you got an answer that yes they have
And with the public opinion on Iraq with the Iraq inquiry, do you think Britain will ever be able to garner enough Parliamentary support to declare war on Iran? To be honest, i highly doubt a UK and French offensive would ever be successful anyway. The UK and France would never even consider war with Iran (or any other European power for that matter) without going in side by side with the Americans.

I also cant see Americans being so vocal on the issue and actually not touching a war in the event it did break out.



What about him? France isnt nearly as vocal or pressing on the issue as Germany and there hardly American bootlickers.
Sarkozy is a bit of a populist and war's can be very popular
I dont know but i heard the last elections where disastrous for them.
Not disastrous, as they still won the majority of local elections in 2009. Not as well as they hoped of course but it was not disastrous (like the 2008 US elections were for the Republican party in the US)
Conspiracy theory or bad assumption with no significant evidence.

Neither, the problems of the recent economic crisis have not been fixed, they are still there. Bad debts in the banking system, massive governmental debt which are increasing, higher unemployement numbers

Means that the small uptick we are seeing is just a temporary reprive, generally due to massive governmental stimulus, rather then sustainable economic growth.

With the UK government finally ending QE, and the Fed thinking about withdrawing it, the next leg downward is coming
 
The problem is, if they do, they need the backing of most of the world to handle the backlash of some creepy arab alliance that will act against Israel as a response to their "unreasonable" attack against Iran, and Israeli/American "imperialism".

Yeah see that is where the problem would lie.
The world would not 'back' Israel in such an attack
 
WRONG.

The Egyptians have already given Israel permission to fly through their airspace to hit Iran. WHAT DOES THIS TELL YOU?

The Saudis hate Iran as much as the rest of the world does. Iran's only real ally is Syria. Syria and the babbling moron who runs it are no match for Israel. Israel will reduce Syria to a smoldering dung heap.

NOBODY in the middle east wants Iran to have nuclear arms.... NOBODY. There will be public condemnation but that is as far is it will go.


Amazingly ... I agree with Vader. A hit on Iran would be logistically met with lots of cooperation. But Israel has to be ready to back up airstrikes ... and I'm not sure they're ready to do that right now.
 
I don't know, let's begin with something that would not require the the scattering of the Jewish citizens of Israel at the disapora again, it pretty much goes against the purpose of Israel's establishment you know.

They gathered in such great numbers in Israel "again" because of the situation in Europe. It wouldnt matter if many of them(who decide) move back, and let some other people(with military tools) move down there to protect their "holy land". Its not only Jewish holy land, but also Christian holy land.
 
If I was Isreal, I would encourage the people to move back into Europe, to spread the risk, and then use Israel as a western "base" for western interference in the middle east, Africa and central Asia.

The entire purpose of Israel was to be a homeland to Jews. If they all come back to Europe, there is no need for Israel's existence no? It would achieve nothing.
 
The entire purpose of Israel was to be a homeland to Jews. If they all come back to Europe, there is no need for Israel's existence no? It would achieve nothing.

And then they can return again when the homeland is safe :confused:
 
They gathered in such great numbers in Israel "again" because of the situation in Europe. It wouldnt matter if many of them(who decide) move back, and let some other people(with military tools) move down there to protect their "holy land". Its not only Jewish holy land, but also Christian holy land.
I'm consumed by your insightful take on the issue, I really am, but I believe Israelis are more than capable of defending their own nation, simultaneously, from 5 different nations.
As proven in the 1948 and 1967 wars.
 
You asked if sanctions have ever worked and you got an answer that yes they have

And my response was; "is that it?". Do you know how many current regimes are sanctioned, do you know how many HAVE been sanctioned, and yet you can only name me one?

Sarkozy is a bit of a populist and war's can be very popular
Not disastrous, as they still won the majority of local elections in 2009. Not as well as they hoped of course but it was not disastrous (like the 2008 US elections were for the Republican party in the US)
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What gives you the impression it would be a popular decisions to nuke a country? :doh

Neither, the problems of the recent economic crisis have not been fixed, they are still there. Bad debts in the banking system, massive governmental debt which are increasing, higher unemployement numbers

Okay but its still an assumption.

Means that the small uptick we are seeing is just a temporary reprive, generally due to massive governmental stimulus, rather then sustainable economic growth.

With the UK government finally ending QE, and the Fed thinking about withdrawing it, the next leg downward is coming

And the world will end in 2012. You dont know about these things until they happen, they certainly havent been forseen by national governments and havent been adopted as something which has a great percentage chance of occuring so i wont buy your word for it either.
 
Come on Tashah, you can do better than that.
Indeed. My axe is still in the shop however :2razz:

Because Iran has opted for the complete destruction of a neighbouring nation as official state policy, because Iran is incapable of civilized diplomacy, and because Iran is one of the worst violators of human rights. Therefore such rights for a country to pursue nuclear ambitions becomes unrealistic if they cannot even be trusted to not drop them all over the ME.
I couldn't have stated it any better.
 
Amazingly ... I agree with Vader. A hit on Iran would be logistically met with lots of cooperation. But Israel has to be ready to back up airstrikes ... and I'm not sure they're ready to do that right now.

There is a reason that the US has an entire fleet of ships in the Perisan Gulf. Iran is aware their little pissant Navy is no match for ours.

One wrong move from Iran and their southern most seaports will be reduced to rubble.

The oil routes WILL be secure from Iranian interference ... even if that means the destruction of costal targets such as Bandar-e-Abbas, Bandar e-Lengeh, Chah Bahar, and Jask, Ney Banda, Dayybar, Busheher, Qeshem, and the whole nine yards.

The Strait of Hormuz WILL remain open ... Iranian interference WILL NOT be tolerated.... even the slightest attempt will be met with a rather large global foot being forced up Iran's terrorist-loving ass.
 
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And my response was; "is that it?". Do you know how many current regimes are sanctioned, do you know how many HAVE been sanctioned, and yet you can only name me one?
Want another one, Libya, Chile under Pinochet,

What gives you the impression it would be a popular decisions to nuke a country? :doh
I said war not nuke
Okay but its still an assumption.



And the world will end in 2012. You dont know about these things until they happen, they certainly havent been forseen by national governments and havent been adopted as something which has a great percentage chance of occuring so i wont buy your word for it either.

Did I say the world will end?

No, just that the current economic crisis which is giving the appearance of going away is not we will be hit by a second leg downward.

You dont have to wait untill things happen to know they will occur. The only thing that i cant predict is when the second leg down will occur, but that it will is a given
 
First

Why are you sure that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons ( all evidence so far presented has been faked)
I'm basing my concern on the fact that they don't comply with IAEA requirements. If they did that, I'd not object.

Secondly China tends not to support foreign intervention in any countries internal affairs through the US. Bad memories from the late 1800 and early 1900 when it suffered under the drug pushing UK and other nations
They don't have to support anything. They can abstain. Besides, no one is asking them to support military action.
 
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I'm basing my concern on the fact that they don't comply with IAEA requirements. If they did that, I'd not object.

They don't have to support anything. They can abstain. Besides, no one is asking them to support military action.

Which IAEA requirements have they not met?

IAEA requirements and just IAEA requirements
 
Which IAEA requirements have they not met?

IAEA requirements and just IAEA requirements
They have not cooperated fully with IAEA inspectors. They have not reported all their facilities to the IAEA.

Their program is shrouded in secrecy, which would not be necessary if they were only seeking nuclear power. Their actions demonstrate that they are either pursuing nuclear weapons or they would like to appear to be doing so.
 
I think it's time to make STRONG diplomatic decisions regarding Iran, and if those don't work we need to take military action. We should learn from history and specifically with what happened with North Korea and how Europe was soft on Hitler, allowing him to arm up and start a massive war. Things need to be done, the world needs to stand up and stop all this pc crap and take some strong sanctions and threaten military action against the theocratic crazy regime called Iran.
 
They have not cooperated fully with IAEA inspectors. They have not reported all their facilities to the IAEA.

Their program is shrouded in secrecy, which would not be necessary if they were only seeking nuclear power. Their actions demonstrate that they are either pursuing nuclear weapons or they would like to appear to be doing so.
Indeed. The IRG (military) has established hundreds of front companies to either manufacture project components or procure them internationally.
 
I think it's time to make STRONG diplomatic decisions regarding Iran, and if those don't work we need to take military action. We should learn from history and specifically with what happened with North Korea and how Europe was soft on Hitler, allowing him to arm up and start a massive war. Things need to be done, the world needs to stand up and stop all this pc crap and take some strong sanctions and threaten military action against the theocratic crazy regime called Iran.



Good idea in theory. Don't suspect it is going to happen.

Problem is our politicians have a single primary priority. Their next election. And taking actions as you describe are not in the best interest of their staying in office. Taking action against Iran (however prudent it may be) would have a good probabliltiy of getting messy. Our congress pricks hate messy.


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They have not cooperated fully with IAEA inspectors. They have not reported all their facilities to the IAEA.

Their program is shrouded in secrecy, which would not be necessary if they were only seeking nuclear power. Their actions demonstrate that they are either pursuing nuclear weapons or they would like to appear to be doing so.

I think you've hit the nail right on the head. They would like to appear as it they are pursuing nuclear weapons. In reality, they might never actually make any. They can buy the plans, enrich the uranium, and get everything ready, but its their trump card. If they make the weapons, Isreal wll take them out, and there goes their trump card. So, what they should, and will do, is get the materials ready to make them ASAP if they ever need them. But, they will not make them, because that will result in fighting, and the overall end of their dictatorship.

It's very smart of them to do this. They hold the pieces in place so the threat is real, but they don't act upon those pieces to fully establish the threat, so the West cannot react to that threat. It's a wonderful case of shadowboxing, and they are doing pretty well for themselves. And, coincidently, it also helps the West.

Our main concern is that the Iranians actually make the weapons. As long as they do not, and they just maintain the peaceful purposes, everything is fine. And if we can start barking at them to not make the weapons, we don't have to bite them because they won't make those weapons.

So, in the end, they will get all the materials ready, and they will have scientists and weapon experts on standby, but they won't go past that point, because there is no need to go past that point.
 
The entire nuclear crisis in iran is a spectacle.

The only point of pursuing a nuclear weapon is to deter a nuclear attack from another nation.

It's either 'shucks we cant nukem' or 'shucks, who cares.'
 
The entire nuclear crisis in iran is a spectacle.

The only point of pursuing a nuclear weapon is to deter a nuclear attack from another nation.

It's either 'shucks we cant nukem' or 'shucks, who cares.'

They are on record as stating that they would like to destroy Israel. They have supported Islamic terrorists with weapons and aid. Nobody was about to attack them until they started pursuing nuclear weapons.

I doubt this is just about deterring some non-existent nuclear threat to them.
 
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