Should all child molesters be castrated before leaving prison?

roderic said:

Almost.
Having sex with a prepubescent does by itself not meet the criteria for pedophilia (in the clinical sense which you are referring to), one would need a psychological assessment to establish this, it could be a crime of opportunity.
An important distinction in that a pedo is to be regarded as a repeat offender by default.

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Once an individual has molested a prepubescent child, I'm okay with permanent incarceration, with or without the psych evaluation. After all, psych evaluations rely on human judgement and are thus prone to error.

Aunt Spiker said:

But how 'broken' is the system? (I searched but couldn't nail down statistics on this) - just how many people are being falsely convicted? (I'll have to do more indepth reading to learn more on the #'s)

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It's broken enough that we ought not be lopping off body parts willy nilly, that's for damn sure. Permanent incarceration is preferable to castration because it has 100% efficacy at preventing the person from victimizing future children AND it is reversible in the event of an error.

Aunt Spiker said:

I'm somewhat tired of this reasoning.

You're really suggesting that we should go light on the offenders for the sake of the few who might have been falsely accused and found guilty?

So for the sake of a few - we should take it easy on the many?

It's always unfair when the wrong person is tossed in the clink - but I can't bring myself to let them go loose just because it happens.

Instead, we should make more adequate efforts to ensure that the wrong are not convicted - and we're making significant progress in that way with improvements in our crime fighting technology.

But to suggest that we should go light on the many because of some few, rare mistakes is too much.

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I never said we should go light on every sex offender because of the possibility that an innocent person would go to to jail. I'm saying that such drastic and wide-reaching punishment such as forced castration isn't just because it would affect so many who don't deserve it.

I agree with you that we should make more adequate efforts to ensure that the wrong people are not convicted. Unfortunately, there are instances of police going after one guy despite the evidence, or when law enforcement agencies have evidence acquitting their suspect of a crime but cover it up.

Also, we should also have more nuanced sex offender laws to take things into account. An 18-year-old having sex with a 15-year-old shouldn't be punished so severely. A 40-year-old having sex with a 9-year-old shouldn't be allowed to go free in public. There's a definite difference between the two and each should have different punishments.

My basic rule of thumb is that the younger an offender is the more lenient the law should be to them. I once read a report that stated that the number one common factor of death row inmates is a lack of education. I think that if we provide better education of not just sex but also sexuality to teenagers, then we can avoid a lot more of these offenses.

That's why I favor psychiatric treatment for offenders who are younger because I want to allow for them the possibility that they may be able to live normal productive lives. Those who are older and are repeat offenders, however, should know better and are a danger to society and should be locked up.

In some ways, child molestation is worse than homicide because the victims suffer the effects of the crime forever. The victim of a homicide suffers briefly and then doesn't suffer anymore.

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I think that before meeting out greater punishments, there needs to be a reevaluation of what constitutes "child molestation."

In theory, I am a "victim" of such molestation myself. In my experience, getting molested is a fun and worthwhile experience. Being 13 and "suffering" the attentions of a 22 yo hottie is ostensibly not a fate worse than death. I would actually be happy to repeat the experience.

It seems to me that even if one isn't to acknowledge the ability of a 13 yo to fully consent to sex, some distinction should be still be made between kids who were genuinely abused by sexual predators and kids who just wanted a more experienced guide as they explored their own sexuality.

Korimyr the Rat said:

This, I agree with. Our laws are in a terrible state when it concerns so-called "sex offenses".

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I was talking about guys who actually molest small children, not some 18 year old kid who had a nude pic of his 16 year old girlfriend on his cell phone and got charged with "child pornography" and branded a "sex offender" (in a state where 16 year old actually having sex is legal). And yes this has happened before (while in another state, a 40 year old coach legally marries a 16 year old high school student).

You're right that our "sex offender" laws are completely screwed up.

B L Zeebub said:

A german woman shot dead in court a pedophile, who had raped and murdered her child.

He had been previously chemically castrate at his request, then when that did not work, he was physically castrated, that obviously did not work, to cause an erection is a mental thing, his mind was not normal, so he could still become erect.

Pedophile should be locked up until there is a proven medical cure.

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There's no "cure" for being scum of the earth. If a guy is sexually attracted to children, that's a "disorder". But if he willingly chooses to go out and rape a kid, then it's not "just a disorder", it's that he has no morals and doesn't deserve any sympathy just because he has a "disease".

I'm sexually attracted to women, but that doesn't mean I "can't control" myself from raping every woman I see and then blaming it on "being straight". That's just wrong.

B L Zeebub said:

A german woman shot dead in court a pedophile, who had raped and murdered her child.

He had been previously chemically castrate at his request, then when that did not work, he was physically castrated, that obviously did not work, to cause an erection is a mental thing, his mind was not normal, so he could still become erect.

Pedophile should be locked up until there is a proven medical cure.

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I was going to say chemical castration...

but jeeze.:shock:

Toothpicvic said:

This sounds like a good idea to me. I think that all convicted child molesters should receive mandatory castration in addition to their prison sentences. I don't know why we aren't doing this. I've heard that sometimes pedophiles get offered castration as a way to reduce their sentence, but **** that. Just castrate all of them I say.

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Pedophiles should recieve the death penalty if convicted... period.

Bodhisattva said:

Pedophiles should recieve the death penalty if convicted... period.

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I would agree with this, but at this point in time, it's cheaper to incarcerate them than kill them, and I have to be fiscally responsible.

Catz Part Deux said:

I would agree with this, but at this point in time, it's cheaper to incarcerate them than kill them, and I have to be fiscally responsible.

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It's only cheaper because of the ridiculous legal wrangling that goes on. Eliminate that, require appeals to be on claims of factual innocence and the death penalty is dirt cheap.

Catz Part Deux said:

It's broken enough that we ought not be lopping off body parts willy nilly, that's for damn sure. Permanent incarceration is preferable to castration because it has 100% efficacy at preventing the person from victimizing future children AND it is reversible in the event of an error.

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Like Hell it's reversible. You can't give a man ten years of his life back any more than you can sew his testicles back on. You can't undo the damage that being put in prison does to a person, or the damage that will be done to them by the other prisoners.

Cephus said:

It's only cheaper because of the ridiculous legal wrangling that goes on. Eliminate that, require appeals to be on claims of factual innocence and the death penalty is dirt cheap.

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I disagree. We've had enough innocent people on death row that I'm in favor of eliminating it entirely. One innocent person is enough.

And lest anyone think I'm soft on crime, please disabuse yourself of that notion.

Korimyr the Rat said:

Like Hell it's reversible. You can't give a man ten years of his life back any more than you can sew his testicles back on. You can't undo the damage that being put in prison does to a person, or the damage that will be done to them by the other prisoners.

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There is a difference between mental "damage" and physical damage. You can never grow new testicles. But you can spend ten years of your life in prison and still be a well-adjusted and happy person upon release.

Korimyr the Rat said:

Like Hell it's reversible. You can't give a man ten years of his life back any more than you can sew his testicles back on. You can't undo the damage that being put in prison does to a person, or the damage that will be done to them by the other prisoners.

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It's sure as hell more reversible than cutting off his wang. You can't give him back those ten years, but at least you can release him. Can you regrow a wang?

Tsunami said:

There is a difference between mental "damage" and physical damage. You can never grow new testicles. But you can spend ten years of your life in prison and still be a well-adjusted and happy person upon release.

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"Upon release?" When you've got no job, and have a hard time getting a job because you're a convict?

Tsunami said:

There is a difference between mental "damage" and physical damage. You can never grow new testicles. But you can spend ten years of your life in prison and still be a well-adjusted and happy person upon release.

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Maybe after years of therapy and strong medication.

Vader said:

Maybe after years of therapy and strong medication.

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I've always found liquor to be considerably quicker.

Vader said:

Maybe after years of therapy and strong medication.

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Or if you pulled a buddha and stared at a wall exuding nothingness for the entire time between meals.

samsmart said:

"Upon release?" When you've got no job, and have a hard time getting a job because you're a convict?

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You aren't a convict, if your sentence was overturned. And they generally give you a generous settlement in cases like that. And for at least some people, spending time in captivity only makes you appreciate the good things in life. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger.

Catz Part Deux said:

I would agree with this, but at this point in time, it's cheaper to incarcerate them than kill them, and I have to be fiscally responsible.

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One bullet in the back of the head or a piece of rope is not that expensive, and that is how we shuold handle the DP. Why are we spending tons of money "humanely" killing inhuman pieces of **** that won't or can't live within the bounds of civilized society?

Bodhisattva said:

One bullet in the back of the head or a piece of rope is not that expensive, and that is how we shuold handle the DP. Why are we spending tons of money "humanely" killing inhuman pieces of **** that won't or can't live within the bounds of civilized society?

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Because not everyone has complete faith that the legal system protects those who are falsely accused. Which it doesn't.

samsmart said:

Because not everyone has complete faith that the legal system protects those who are falsely accused. Which it doesn't.

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The system is and always will be flawed, I don't think that any reasonable person would ever say that they had complete faith. Absolutes are irrational... and who is to say that killing an innocent person is not better than putting an innocent person in prison to be raped and beaten for decades on end, basically sending them to be tortured. That is far far more cruel.

Yeah, good point - life imprisonment, then.

Ikari said:

I'm pretty sure that would fall under cruel and unusual punishment.

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No. The crime itself justifies the punishment. Their crime is cruel and unusual punishment to innocent children.:yes:

Ikari said:

I'm pretty sure that would fall under cruel and unusual punishment.

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sorry if you made additional posts im just responding to this one

Well the problem is the severity of the crime. Not to be a sensationalist but what these chid molesters often do to the children scars them for life and sexually destroys them permanently. Also pragmatically if they are not serving a life sentence or being executed (the latter of which I do not support) their risk to society is dangerously high. I don't have a source on that I admit, but they are a problem...

Poland set to impose chemical castration after outrage over incest case - Times Online

If chemical castration doesnt work... (I don't know if it does or doesn't, someone referred to a case of it not working earlier on) then what other alternative is there. These people are sexually and psychologically ill and a massive threat to innocents. Its either a psych ward or prison for life or chemical castration if you ask me.