Is Mexico The Land of America?

Skateguy said:

Simple really. with proper development, using the local Peoples, those Countries could be great money makers for all involved. There would be no need for them to come here, when they could prosper at home. Just bring them into the fold as it were.

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Success is far from guaranteed, for example Afghanistan and Iraq will likely never have a decent government, no matter what we do in those areas.

megaprogman said:

Success is far from guaranteed, for example Afghanistan and Iraq will likely never have a decent government, no matter what we do in those areas.

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I agree about the desert Folks. they have never had a stable gubment, and it is not for me to say they ever should. they have been around a long time. Much longer than us. who is to say a tribal People actually need a central gubment to dictate to them?---I sure don't need one in my personal life. I'm in favor of much less gubment intervention period. I feel they create more problems than they correct.

This thread makes about as much sense as the "Burn all books because" one.

repeter said:

After 1820, sectionalism dominated American politics. We accepted the Mexican Cession to a certain point. Had we wanted we could easily have gone ahead and conquered all of Mexico. The reason we didn't, was because there were brilliant politicians back then who would have seen the fatal shift in political power to the South.

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To a certain point? We made it part of the united states (you know, arizona, nevada, new mexico, etc)... that's full on acceptance.

We could have conquered mexico...well, we actually did. We took mexico city, and then the treaty guadalope hidalgo was negotiated independently of orders by president polk (see the envoy, Nicholas Trist [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Trist]Nicholas Trist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]), who had tried to recall him. Essentially, in exchange for the mexican cession, we gave the rest of mexico back.

Sectionalism played a role, but Trist acted on his own, and it wasn't a dominant issue until after the mexican cession. Polk was expansionist, but was more interested in cuba and acquiring the pacific NW from the Brits than taking all of mexico.

Texas took our part away from the Mexicans. "Remember the Alamo"

Skateguy said:

Texas took our part away from the Mexicans. "Remember the Alamo"

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I remember they all died. Perhaps Sam Houston should have considered a mobile defense, ambushing and disrupting transport and supply lines, instead of defending a fixed position.

Goshin said:

I remember they all died. Perhaps Sam Houston should have considered a mobile defense, ambushing and disrupting transport and supply lines, instead of defending a fixed position.

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But then again, it was a great morale booster, "Remember the Alamo Defenders." And Houston went on to smash Santa Anna, so it evens out right?

No.

Of course not.

Mexico is Mexico.

It's full of Mexicans.

The United States of America is "America".

It's full of Mexicans.

jr602az said:

Mexico used to be the United States back in the 1450s or something. But do you believe its true that Mexico used to be the United States?

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You mean 42 years before Columbus brought word back to Spain that he got lost?

repeter said:

Militarily we could anytime we so wished, and there is no longer a political struggle in our country, but if we did so, there would be alarms going on all over the world. Basically, we should not claim mexico as ours, and we should not attempt to make them ours.

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More importantly, we need to put a halt to Mexico's efforts to make ours theirs.

Well, actually, the reason we didn't take Mexico in the Mexican American War is because we simply didn't want it. We never wanted it, we don't want it now.

Mexico started a war with the US after the annexation of Texas. We had already had offers to Mexico for the direct purchase of the land we later bought from Mexico at the end of the Mexican American War.

However,

1) Mexico started the war.
2) We paid for the land taken, and we only bought what we'd already offered to buy.

3) No one in the English Speaking US wanted to annex all of Spanish speaking Mexico. Given that the annexation of all of Mexico would have been a unique event, the Missouri Compromise would have been strained or set aside for the new Mexican territories, if we'd annexed Mexico.

4) Frankly, the last thing the Americans would have wanted is the establishment of an empire with subjugated people to perpetually cause propblems. The United States STILL isn't an empire.

Skateguy said:

I do belive that the sooner we "annex" Mexico, and Cuba, the better.

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Dude, are you outta ya mind? :shock:

Skateguy said:

Simple really. with proper development, using the local Peoples, those Countries could be great money makers for all involved. There would be no need for them to come here, when they could prosper at home. Just bring them into the fold as it were.

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Umm. So we bring them in and do you know how much it would frigging cost to make them to the level of what you are talking about? Not to mention the danger to us and the troops that would be killed. There would be resistance and all kinds of problems.

No disrespect but this is a bad and stupid idea.

Goshin said:

I remember they all died. Perhaps Sam Houston should have considered a mobile defense, ambushing and disrupting transport and supply lines, instead of defending a fixed position.

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I don't think they knew it was going to be a fixed position at the time . that is just all they had to seek shelter in, when the Mexicans invaded.----today, they just don't wear uniforms. But ole Sam paid them back in spades.

Kali said:

Umm. So we bring them in and do you know how much it would frigging cost to make them to the level of what you are talking about? Not to mention the danger to us and the troops that would be killed. There would be resistance and all kinds of problems.

No disrespect but this is a bad and stupid idea.

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I got it all figured out. Not an invasion, Annexation. --get back to ya with the details. You'll love it. Great plan.

Kali said:

Dude, are you outta ya mind? :shock:

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You just don't know me, oh ye of little faith.

This poll makes no sense whatsoever.

Dav said:

This thread makes about as much sense as the "Burn all books because" one.

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:rofl

That one was classic.

Skateguy said:

I got it all figured out. Not an invasion, Annexation. --get back to ya with the details. You'll love it. Great plan.

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I am looking forward to seeing what ya come up with..

I don't know what Skateguy will come up with, but if we want to have a real North American Union I say that both Mexico and Canada dissolve their Federal/Central governments and their States will each become Commonwealths of the United States with the following provisions:

1. English will be the sole language for law and contracts and for the Constitutions. And no policy shall be permitted to allow a non-English language to have any official platform in that Commonwealth.

2. The position for govenonor of each of these commonwealths will be appointed as per the Constitution. No one may be appointed to a position of governor who is primarily a Pol of the previous government and must have an American view of the roll of Chief Executive of a State.

3. And new Circuit of Federal Courts will be established for enforcing these provisions where applicable as well as Federal Law. And no one who is not a U.S. Citizen as well as having been trained in American Law may be appointed.

4. Congress shall have the authority to dictate to the Commonwealths the Structure and all provisions of the Territorial Constitution of that Commonwealth until such a time it will become a State.

5. The Common Law for all the Commonwealths as well as future States shall be American Common Law and no Common Law shall be based on English(UK) or Mexican(Spanish variation) Common Law

6. Given the cultural and language differences between the US and Mexico is greater than that of the US and Canada. The US shall first formerly admit the Canadian Commonwealths as States but not more than 2 States every 2 years. After the Canadian States have had their chance to be admitted, and 20 years after the Dissolution of the Mexican government. The Commonwealths of the Mexican States then shall be admitted at the rate not greater than 2 every 5 years.

7. The currency used for the new union will be up to the Federal Government I would prefer to dump the Fed and allow multiple private currencies or have one backed in gold/silver/platinum/artwork.

8. The government ownership of Corporations would be eliminated.


Well this is a start I dont know if this extends beyond the scope of the thread or not.

Shadow Serious said:

Well this is a start I don’t know if this extends beyond the scope of the thread or not.

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I don't think the OP had any idea what the scope of the thread was when he/she posted the...OP.

Or at least, judging by this:

jr602az said:

Mexico used to be the United States back in the 1450s or something. But do you believe its true that Mexico used to be the United States?

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What?

Mexico was never the United States. Part of the US used to be Mexico, mid 1800's. Then there was this war, and stuff, and we had some more states after awhile. :mrgreen:

repeter said:

After 1820, sectionalism dominated American politics. We accepted the Mexican Cession to a certain point. Had we wanted we could easily have gone ahead and conquered all of Mexico. The reason we didn't, was because there were brilliant politicians back then who would have seen the fatal shift in political power to the South.

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Are you sure that it wasn't because there would have been too many brown people?

jr602az said:

Mexico used to be the United States back in the 1450s or something. But do you believe its true that Mexico used to be the United States?

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there was no united states in 1450.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:

\Mexico started a war with the US after the annexation of Texas.

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Mexico did not start the war:shock:. Texas belonged to Mexico and one too many gringos were migrating illegally into Texas without assimilating into Mexican society so Mexico had the right to kick out the gringos that were starting problems so it wasn't that Mexico started the war. And just because Mexico refused to sell the land to the US did not make it right for the gringos to take it by force:shock:.

Skateguy said:

I got it all figured out. Not an invasion, Annexation. --get back to ya with the details. You'll love it. Great plan.

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Are you Ever gonna get back to me with these details?