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The Wars On Terror

Are the ways in which we are conducting our wars today constitutional?

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LiberalAvenger

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I say no. We have not really won a war since world war II. That's because congress has not declared war since the Attack on Pearl Harbor. Korea, Viet Nam, and now Iraq and Afghanistan [not counting ronald reagan's glorious victory in granada].

Article 2, Section 8 says that only congress has the power to declare war. They can not delegate their power to the president. This would be against the seperation of powers doctrine in constitutional law.

The ways in which the wars are being conducted are not enumerated in the constitution at all.
 
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LiberalAvenger said:
I say no. We have not really won a war since world war II. That's because congress has not declared war since the Attack on Pearl Harbor. Korea, Viet Nam, and now Iraq and Afghanistan [not counting ronald reagan's glorious victory in granada].

Article 2, Section 8 says that only congress has the power to declare war. They can not delegate their power to the president. This would be against the seperation of powers doctrine in constitutional law.

The ways in which the wars are being conducted are not enumerated in the constitution at all.
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Haaaa-ha-ha-ha....oooomhmmm. Sorry....*waves hand to disregard his outburst*.....War on Terror. Just thought that kinda funny.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
I say no. We have not really won a war since world war II. That's because congress has not declared war since the Attack on Pearl Harbor. Korea, Viet Nam, and now Iraq and Afghanistan [not counting ronald reagan's glorious victory in granada].

Article 2, Section 8 says that only congress has the power to declare war. They can not delegate their power to the president. This would be against the seperation of powers doctrine in constitutional law.

The ways in which the wars are being conducted are not enumerated in the constitution at all.
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Okay, I agree with you, but it's really just a matter of procedure. Had war been declared the Constitutional way, absolutely nothing would be different.
 
Michael Meacher who served under Tony Blair publicly stated "The U.S. war on terror is bogus. The U.S. Government played some role in the destruction wrought on 9/11"
 
I forgot to add...

Yukihisa Fujita​ member of the Japanese Government stated in the Parliament of Japan "the U.S. story for 9/11 is a made up fairytale. We should investigate the real suspects for the deaths of the Japanese Nationals on 9/11"
 
Dav said:
Okay, I agree with you, but it's really just a matter of procedure. Had war been declared the Constitutional way, absolutely nothing would be different.
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To tell you the truth I do not know if anything would be different except that we would be respecting the rule of law instead of circumventing the constitution.
 
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War on Drugs--War on Terror, War on stupid---War on ugly--time for a war on Wars. ---We truly are a peculiar Nation. but it's Home. We are smart enough, but it's like we don't think things through. Kinda Knee jerk, like some folks on here, that don't let facts stand in the way of what they believe to be true.
 
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The consent of Congress (i.e., Dec of War) was received on all accounts. If not where are the impeachments that resulted?
 
American said:
The consent of Congress (i.e., Dec of War) was received on all accounts. If not where are the impeachments that resulted?
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I believe that every president since JFK was killed could have been impeached. Ironically, the one who was, Clinton, was the biggest mistake in the history of impeachment.
 
I voted for every single option just so I could be part of the process without really contributing. Anyway I think after 9/11 there should have been a request made by the President to Congress for a DoW against Afghanistan, specifically the Taliban gov't. Same with the Iraq war.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
I say no. We have not really won a war since world war II. That's because congress has not declared war since the Attack on Pearl Harbor. Korea, Viet Nam, and now Iraq and Afghanistan [not counting ronald reagan's glorious victory in granada].

Article 2, Section 8 says that only congress has the power to declare war. They can not delegate their power to the president. This would be against the seperation of powers doctrine in constitutional law.

The ways in which the wars are being conducted are not enumerated in the constitution at all.
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constitution and laws really dont mean anything. the people in power can do whatever they want. in the end, all american people seem to do is say "support the troops". so how will anyone be detered to start random wars for u.s. business interests.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
I say no. We have not really won a war since world war II. That's because congress has not declared war since the Attack on Pearl Harbor. Korea, Viet Nam, and now Iraq and Afghanistan [not counting ronald reagan's glorious victory in granada].

Article 2, Section 8 says that only congress has the power to declare war. They can not delegate their power to the president. This would be against the seperation of powers doctrine in constitutional law.

The ways in which the wars are being conducted are not enumerated in the constitution at all.
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We haven't won any wars because our leaders haven't tried to win the war, not to mention all those hippy dope heads demonstrating in front of recruiting stations and marching on Washington during the Vietnam era. Now those same dope heads are running the country.
 
creativedreams said:
Michael Meacher who served under Tony Blair publicly stated "The U.S. war on terror is bogus. The U.S. Government played some role in the destruction wrought on 9/11"
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Care to explain that, further?:confused:
 
bicycleman said:
It's funny how all the old farts who no longer have to go in, just love the draft.
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This old fart was drafted in 1964. I never met a rich draftee in the army.

They were mostly country boys, blacks, and hispanics who were the grunts.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
I believe that every president since JFK was killed could have been impeached. Ironically, the one who was, Clinton, was the biggest mistake in the history of impeachment.
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He was a mistake as President but not the biggest mistake for President. Carter still holds that honor, but Obama is quickly catching up.
 
Considering the "War on Terror" has created more problems than it's solved....my inclination would be to say it hasnt worked
 
LiberalAvenger said:
Article 2, Section 8 says that only congress has the power to declare war. They can not delegate their power to the president. This would be against the seperation of powers doctrine in constitutional law.

The ways in which the wars are being conducted are not enumerated in the constitution at all.
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You mean Article I sec 8.

Your position is flawed in that it is not necessary for Congress to declare war for a state of war to exist, nor for the Presient to exercise his Article II powers of the Commander in Chief.
 
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creativedreams said:
Michael Meacher who served under Tony Blair publicly stated "The U.S. war on terror is bogus. The U.S. Government played some role in the destruction wrought on 9/11"
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Not sure how these two statements are related...
 
Goobieman said:
You mean Article I sec 8.

Your position is flawed in that it is not necessary for Congress to declare war for a state of war to exist, nor for the Presient to exercise his Article II powers of the Commander in Chief.
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No I am completely correct. Only congress has the power to declare war. They can not bestow this power to another branch because it would be against the separation of powers.

Any laws contrary to article II section 8 are unconstitutional
 
LiberalAvenger said:
I say no. We have not really won a war since world war II. That's because congress has not declared war since the Attack on Pearl Harbor. Korea, Viet Nam, and now Iraq and Afghanistan [not counting ronald reagan's glorious victory in granada].

Article 2, Section 8 says that only congress has the power to declare war. They can not delegate their power to the president. This would be against the seperation of powers doctrine in constitutional law.

The ways in which the wars are being conducted are not enumerated in the constitution at all.
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The Congress is still involved, but the Congress chooses to authorize "the use of force", instead of calling it "war", so since they are still part of the process and also decide if "use of force" operations are continued to be funded, then why is there a problem?

Even during the widely popular Gulf War in 1991 (which we won), Congress authorized force and didn't call it a war.
 
Whenever some one in Congress thinks a War is a good Idea, they should be the first to go. I bet they would make a bigger effort to work things out at the conference table then. Easy to send some one else off to fight a war you started.
 
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