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Do you have a conceal and carry license?

Do you have a conceal and carry permit?


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No we don't, but you can openly carry handguns without a permit if you want.

I know I went and visited my Mom in Fond du Lac last October. I was the only one in the family smart enough to leave the winter frozen tundra.
 
No, I don't. My wife and I both would like to learn to shoot, but right now paying off our cars is more important.
 
Why do I need a conceal and carry permit?
Do I need permission from the state? NO!
 
You simply have everything, don't you?

I would not be surprised if someone makes a poll asking "Do you own a tank" and you'll be there to come up with a "clic on pic".
no mate, I dont own one, but I do know some guys that sell them.

I did want to buy a wood fired Russian mobile field kitchen circa 1956, it had 4 20 gallon pressure cooking vessels and two griddles, it was built like a tank.:)
 
Now you're just being dishonest. Everyone in Somalia is armed, 10 year olds, women, old people. U.S. soldiers in the early 90s weren't fighting just war lords and militias. They were fighting the people. And no. A society with more guns isn't safer. Canada is by far safer than the U.S. and yet they have less guns than we do. Same goes for Switzerland, Japan etc. An armed society is most definitely not a safer one or one which is more polite. Your argument is nothing more than the pipe dream of gun owners.

The only reason Canadians have less guns than we do in America is because there are less Canadians. Trust me, Canadians own firearms. Canada ranks third in the world only behind the USA and Norway for the number of firearms including shotguns, rifles, and handguns owned by civilians. Think about that for a minute, the population of Canada is around 33,212,000 as opposed to 303,824,000 in the USA.
 
Please elaborate.

I'm amazed at how convinient that makes it. This way you are free in the afternoon to buy your medical degree online.

You can start packing and practicing in one day.
 
I'm well aware of that. A good friend of mine is a state trooper. There are 2 main factors which account for this. First is the extremely high rate of alcohol related crimes. Second is the almost total lack of law enforcement in many parts of the state....something our former governor attempted to address.
There is no doubt we have a crime problem here, but it is truly not related to guns. Our violent crimes tend to be rapes/sexual assault, domestic-related (and usually alcohol related) assaults, etc. I'm not in any way downplaying our problems, but they do not stem from firearms. Alcohol is our major problem.

So is ours. And gun related (non gang) crime is pretty much unheard of.
 
So is ours. And gun related (non gang) crime is pretty much unheard of.


Intresting that you had to throw in that qualifier.

The fact is the Isles have always had far lower homicide rates than the USA, even before there was much gun control. Violent crime increased in the 80's and 90's despite even more draconian gun control, then began to level off.

I think it is evident your lower rates of gun crime are cultural rather than a result of gun control.
 
Intresting that you had to throw in that qualifier.
It's pretty much the only gun violence there is. Rates probably a dozen a year give or take. And for the purpose of clarity such violence has been limited to gang on gang shooting and not members of the eneral public.
But they are gun crimes non the less and should be mentioned.

I think it is evident your lower rates of gun crime are cultural rather than a result of gun control.

I'll try to find the figures on gun ownership in Ireland, but I have it on authority that it's in the region of 300-350,000 certificates issued. Or one in ten people. On a household basis thats about one in five housholds have a firearm, maybe one in 7 or 8.
They are hardly unknown. I have a couple myself.
 
I'm amazed at how convinient that makes it. This way you are free in the afternoon to buy your medical degree online.

You can start packing and practicing in one day.
Since it is a fundamental right protected by our Constitution, I see this as a good thing.
 
Both. The Second Amendment makes no distinction as to method of carry.

Makes no distinction about anything. Type of arm, who can carry or where one can be carried.
 
Makes no distinction about anything. Type of arm, who can carry or where one can be carried.

Because we have the right to keep and bear arms. It's not supposed to make a distinction because it's supposed to be crystal clear. We have the right to keep and bear arms. We do not need permission from the government to bear arms.
 
Because we have the right to keep and bear arms. It's not supposed to make a distinction because it's supposed to be crystal clear. We have the right to keep and bear arms. We do not need permission from the government to bear arms.

So anyone can carry any weapon, anyplace?
I think the problem is that it is not crystal clear.
 
It also makes no distinction as to the type of armourment.

The term used is "arms". That term has been interpreted by the court to have a general definition; whatever upper limit that definition may have, it certainly includes any class of firearms you may care to name.
 
The term used is "arms". That term has been interpreted by the court to have a general definition; whatever upper limit that definition may have, it certainly includes any class of firearms you may care to name.

In a dramatic moment on the last day of this term, the Supreme Court declared for the first time that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to self-defense and gun ownership.

For most of the last century, the interpretation of the Second Amendment has been that the right to bear arms is a collective right, such as with military service; Thursday's ruling says gun ownership is also an individual right.

The 5-4 ruling grows out of a Washington, D.C., case in which a security guard sued the district for prohibiting him from keeping his handgun at home. In the District of Columbia, it is a crime to carry an unregistered firearm, and the registration of handguns is prohibited. The rules are so strict, they essentially regulate handguns out of existence. The regulations were intended to curb gun violence in the capital city.

The ruling struck down the ban on constitutional grounds, saying it flew in the face of the constitutional right to bear arms.

An Individual Right

The precise meaning of the Second Amendment — "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" — has long been a subject for debate. In a decision nearly 70 years ago, the justices suggested it was a collective right, not an individual right to bear arms. This is the first time the court has defined the amendment so definitively.

The two sides in this case viewed the Founding Fathers' intentions very differently. The majority of the justices said the amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia and to use that firearm for lawful purposes, such as self-defense in the home. The dissenting justices said the amendment protects only the right to possess and carry a firearm in connection with militia service.

"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapons whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose," Justice Antonin Scalia wrote for the majority. But it did allow for individuals to have guns for lawful purposes, such as hunting and defending themselves, he said. The majority clearly saw the individual right to own a gun"
 
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No, but am seriously considering getting one.
 
The term used is "arms". That term has been interpreted by the court to have a general definition; whatever upper limit that definition may have, it certainly includes any class of firearms you may care to name.

BUt it does have a limit. And as such is not an absolute, the only difference is where that limit is.
 
BUt it does have a limit. And as such is not an absolute, the only difference is where that limit is.
It is as absolute as 'free speech', in that some some weapons do not fal under 'arms' in very much the same way that some forms of speech do not fall under 'free speech'.

The limit here is one that is inherent to the right itself.
 
It is as absolute as 'free speech', in that some some weapons do not fal under 'arms' in very much the same way that some forms of speech do not fall under 'free speech'.

The limit here is one that is inherent to the right itself.

According to you, not the conservative supreme court:

"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapons whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose," Justice Antonin Scalia wrote for the majority. But it did allow for individuals to have guns for lawful purposes, such as hunting and defending themselves, he said. The majority clearly saw the individual right to own a gun"
 
So anyone can carry any weapon, anyplace?
I think the problem is that it is not crystal clear.

Yes, anyone can carry any weapon, and yes anyplace. Private property can deny it, but it must be clearly posted. Government buildings can prohibit it as well, posted outside the building clear and unmistakable.
 
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