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Should firearm use and safety be a required subject in school?

Should firearm use and safety be a required subject in school?

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I remember a few teachers back in High school, who didn't want us to read ahead, to the next chapter. turns out they were just reading one chapter ahead their selves. --I would not want people like that teaching gun Safety.
 
Skateguy said:
I remember a few teachers back in High school, who didn't want us to read ahead, to the next chapter. turns out they were just reading one chapter ahead their selves. --I would not want people like that teaching gun Safety.
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People like that aren't allowed to.

Firearms instruction is not something just any teacher could do.

You have to have a federal license in firearms instruction to hold a class.
 
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Jerry said:
People like that aren't allowed to.
Firearms instruction is not something just any teacher could do.
You have to have a federal license in firearms instruction to hold a class.
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Pretty sure that such a license does not exist.
 
Skateguy said:
I remember a few teachers back in High school, who didn't want us to read ahead, to the next chapter. turns out they were just reading one chapter ahead their selves. --I would not want people like that teaching gun Safety.
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Ancedotal, and thus meaningless. Even if true.
 
Ikari said:
I don't know if you can make it required, but I do think it would be good to offer the class.
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When I was in junior high, there was a required course called, "outdoor education". A part of the course was gun safety.
 
Jerry said:
People like that aren't allowed to.

Firearms instruction is not something just any teacher could do.

You have to have a federal license in firearms instruction to hold a class.
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Cool, then no one is advocating regular Teachers, instructing the class. --we had coaches teach Drivers Ed.---Many were not good drivers.
 
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Goobieman said:
Yes... and I do not see any reference to an instructor's license offered (or required) by the Federal Government.
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If you have better information then cut the bull**** and post it.

We're talking about certifying students in some manner on firearm use. Regular teachers can not do that just as regular teachers can not issue a driver's license no matter how excellent they instruct students.
 
Skateguy said:
Cool, then no one is advocating regular Teachers, instructing the class. --we had coaches teach Drivers Ed.---Many were not good drivers.
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If the coaches couldn't authorize your learner's permit or driver's license, they are not what I'm talking about.
 
Jerry said:
People like that aren't allowed to.

Firearms instruction is not something just any teacher could do.

You have to have a federal license in firearms instruction to hold a class.
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There is already a youth gun education program with the NRA. Why not try to build on that as opposed to the uphill battle of getting it required in school then getting teachers to do it.
 
Jerry said:
If you have better information then cut the bull**** and post it.
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My statement that there is no federally-mandated standard as to the requirements necessary to become a firearms instructor of any sort, contrary to your claim that there is. Its YOUR responsibility to show that such a standard exists, which you cannot do, because there is none.

We're talking about certifying students in some manner on firearm use. Regular teachers can not do that just as regular teachers can not issue a driver's license no matter how excellent they instruct students.
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We'r enot talking about instruction that leads to licensure, we're talking about basic safety instruction. As such, your statement, above, is meaningless.
 
Crosscheck said:
There is already a youth gun education program with the NRA. Why not try to build on that as opposed to the uphill battle of getting it required in school then getting teachers to do it.
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The school could simply require a credit in firearms safety and give a list of entities which the school approves to perform the program. The parents are then free to send their child to any of those entities to complete the program (pro-choice ftw?). Proof of completion is faxed or e/snail-mailed to the school and the firearms safety credit is applied to the student's transcript.

This can be don for first aid/cpr also, and is in fact how I have always advocated for sex-ed in the public school to be handled.
 
Jerry said:
The school could simply require a credit in firearms safety and give a list of entities which the school approves to perform the program. The parents are then free to send their child to any of those entities to complete the program (pro-choice ftw?). Proof of completion is faxed or e/snail-mailed to the school and the firearms safety credit is applied to the student's transcript.

This can be don for first aid/cpr also, and is in fact how I have always advocated for sex-ed in the public school to be handled.
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If such a program were mandatory, I would agree with it being handled as such. I also agree that it is a good way to handle sex-ed.
 
Tucker Case said:
If such a program were mandatory, I would agree with it being handled as such. I also agree that it is a good way to handle sex-ed.
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If such a list for sex-ed were multi-inclusive, focusing on instructor qualification and content, then those who want a pro-choice angle might go to planned parenthood, while those who want a pro-life angle could go to a religious institution. As long as the same minimum content is covered by a qualified instructor, I see no problem with the context of the presentation being left to the parents.
 
Tucker Case said:
If such a program were mandatory, I would agree with it being handled as such. I also agree that it is a good way to handle sex-ed.
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Who pays for it?
 
Jerry said:
If such a list for sex-ed were multi-inclusive, focusing on instructor qualification and content, then those who want a pro-choice angle might go to planned parenthood, while those who want a pro-life angle could go to a religious institution. As long as the same minimum content is covered by a qualified instructor, I see no problem with the context of the presentation being left to the parents.
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That's what I had in mind as well.
 
Jerry said:
Absent education reform, the school would float the bill.
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That would make sense, if the (presumeably publuc) school requires the student to go elsewhere for the credit.

But, there's no real reason the school system itself cannot teach the subject.
 
Goobieman said:
Who pays for it?
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Good question. If it was mandatory, I'd be inclined to think vouchers because the mandatory nature places an undue expense. If it was an elective the kids could receive school credit for, I'd make it the parents responsibility to pony up the dough.

If it was an elective offered in the school, it's covered by the school obviously.
 
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Goobieman said:
But, there's no real reason the school system itself cannot teach the subject.
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Firearms aren't typically allowed on school property except when carried by cops.

Even at my tech school, the Law Enforcement student's do their firearms training off-campus.

If nothing else, the program would include shooting, and no one is ever going to approve of that on campus.
 
Jerry said:
Firearms aren't typically allowed on school property except when carried by cops.
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You don't need a firearm in hand to teach age-appropriate basic firearm safety.
 
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Goobieman said:
You don't need a firearm in hand to teach age-appropriate basic firearm safety.
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Well right now we're talking about high school level how-to, including handling, cleaning, loading, shooting, watching background, etc.

Yeah you need a firearm on hand for that.

As for K-8, I agree you wouldn't, but neither would you need a firearms instructor, either. K-8 firearms safety might be a chapter in a general health program. If Boby has a cut, don't touch it, go tell an adult. If you see a gun, don't touch it, go tell an adult.

The focus at a young age is to keep kids from accidentally killing themselves, while the focus at the older age is to teach kids how to deliberately use a firearm.
 
Kandahar said:
How so? Wouldn't locked firearms be an important PART of firearm safety? :confused:
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No.

A locked gun is an inaccessible gun.

An inaccessible gun is a useless gun.

And a useless gun doesn't enhance anyone's safety but the criminal invading your house.

A gun lock should never be more than an option.

Options.

That's what freedom is about.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
No.

A locked gun is an inaccessible gun.

An inaccessible gun is a useless gun.

And a useless gun doesn't enhance anyone's safety but the criminal invading your house.

A gun lock should never be more than an option.

Options.

That's what freedom is about.
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Any firearm not in use should be secured: unloaded and under lock and key.
 
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