Nope, don't watn to tell you you suck. Want to tell you you are apparently ignorant of what "seperation of church and state" means.
Well, if all I hear
all the time is "God doesn't like it," then that's just what pops into my mind. I just want people to keep their religion and their beliefs out of other peoples' lives. I don't understand why that's so hard.
No, they're not.
Marriage as its defined in our law is not religious, let alone christian, so they're not being forced to abide by Christian rule.s
Furthermore, marriage being between a man and a woman is not unique to simply Christianity, so again, no you can't say simply because that's the definition they're being forced to abide by Christian Rules.
Even further, there are some agnostic and athiests that still believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman, further showing that no, that notion is not simply Christian and thus it being law does not mean they're being forced to be Christian.
Okay, why are you ****ing arguing with me if you don't even disagree with me?
Fine, I'll just say I was wrong. Alright? Whatever. I don't give a ****. I'm so ****ing pissed off at this whole ****ing situation. People need to learn to just live and let live. That's the whole point in every ****ing thing I say.
People feel the need to butt their way into things that don't affect them. It's idiotic.
Whoever you are, whatever ****ing religion you follow, keep it to yourself. That's all I have to say to everyone. You don't have the ****ing right to impose your views on people who aren't ****ing doing anything.
Is that ****ing clear enough?
Then you shouldn't make comments like stating that if the term marriage remains as between a man and a woman its essentially forcing gay people to be Christians. OR, when someone informs you of the error of that, you should look into it or acknowledge it.
Off the top of my head I believe Jews and Muslims also believe marriage is between one man and one woman.
Yes, I'm acknowledging that I fail at religion. Yes, I will probably look into it sometime.
Doesn't matter, not the argument I'm making. YOU stated that because there was a law on the books that happened to coincide with Christian thinking on the matter that somehow that is "forcing" people to essentially be Christian. If that was the case then all those things above ALSO coincide with Christian thinking and thus would apply also.
Well, it's the argument
I'm making. I've already stated that I know basically nothing of religion.
Murder harms people.
Adultery harms people.
Thievery harms people.
Homosexuality does not harm people.
Can you prove me wrong?
First, you don't apparently know what seperation of church and state is. You can "believe" we don't all you want, that doesn't make it true. People voting based on their religious beliefs does not have anything to do with Seperation of Church and State.
Here, I'll help you.
Point me out the law where the government establishes a state religion, mandates a following of religion, or forbids a following of religion.
I'll wait.
People voting based on their religious beliefs counts to me. I just want people to get a ****ing life of their own and stay out of everyone else's.
You know I won't find a law that states that. My point is that I want people of religion and bigotry to separate themselves from other people.
Do they not have anything better to do than to make people unhappy?
Second, that's extremely narrow minded of you. I'm not even against gay marriage but I'm not so bigoted against anyone that dares disagree with me that I hyper stereotype them. Do you honestly believe 100% of non-religious people either agree with you or are bigots? Here's a few off the top of my head:
Yes, that is what I honestly believe.
Again, why did you even bother responding to me if you're on my side?
1. Believing the government interest in marriage is related to the raising of a family and believing a traditional family offers the best chance for a child
It's silly to think that heterosexual parents do a better job than homosexual ones. As long as it's a loving household, the child will do just fine. The parents' sexual preferences don't have any effect on the child.
Except for when they get into school, they might be teased if the other kids find out about it. But kids will always find ways to tease each other. It doesn't mean anything and if they have a nice, stable home to go back to, it won't matter to them, either.
2. Someone who is a staunch traditionalist, that realizes while perhaps "Seperate but equal" the attempt to use that phrase to harken back to the civil rights age is a bit dishonest as at those times the facilities/benefits under a different name were actually worse which would be different from this case where everything else would literally be equal.
Wow, this was a little confusing to read. But anyways, no, it's not dishonest because this is almost exactly the same. Lots of people didn't want women to vote or do anything else for ****ing stupid reasons during the Women's Rights Movement. Lots of people didn't want black people to vote or do anything else for ****ing stupid reasons during the Civil Rights Movement. This is now the Gay Rights Movement.
3. Someone that believes the government shouldn't be involved in marriage at all and thus is against adding more to it, thus making it harder to remove
What? Adding more to it? Like actually giving
everyone the right to be married?
Are they great reasons? No. But at times some of the reasons people who want it give also aren't great. But they're at least legitimate opinions that aren't simply "bigotry". Lest you want to simply say "bigotry" is anyone that disagree's with you which seems to be the MO here.
I'd like to hear some of the reasons that are for gay marriage that "aren't great."
Also, the reasons on my side of the argument are much better than the other side. There's so many...
If my beliefs are stemming from the desire to help a group of people who are discriminated against for no ****ing reason, then I'd say that anyone who disagrees is either a bigot, or just religious. I don't have a problem with religious people. I just believe that they shouldn't try and force it on other people.
As for bigots, they're just intolerant and that pisses me off. They don't care about anyone but themselves.
Nobody has the right to judge anyone, so why not just let them get married. They're not bad people.
Gotcha, so if they're religious and would vote based on their morals you don't want them to vote. Got it, you're intolerant to religious people. They have as much right to vote based on their views, morals, and philosophies as you or anyone else.
Why are you being like this?
I'm saying that if they're trying to force their views and moral compass on to other people, it's wrong. It sucks that they can vote based on that. They don't understand that homosexuals are doing nothing wrong.
It's like they've never heard, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
They wouldn't like it if another religious group came along with their book and started telling them they were wrong for being whatever skin color they are according to their bible.
It's only because they're in the majority that this is happening.