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French law could see fines for burqas

Burqa ban+fine, example to follow or shy

  • This law should be completely implemented in the West

    Votes: 6 15.4%

  • This law is a must in general

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • This law is good

    Votes: 3 7.7%

  • The law is not good

    Votes: 24 61.5%

  • Other opinion(explain).

    Votes: 6 15.4%
  • Total voters
    39
It's also a dangerous argument to make. It's "dangerous" because maybe someone will do something illegal while maybe possibly employing it. I mean, how much **** falls into that category?
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Personally I think it needs to be followed in all free societies. Anything can be hidden under a burqa, its a danger to society.
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Reminds me of the rumor (I say "rumor" since i heard it on Fox News and I haven't verified it ;) ) i heard - That in Guantanamo prisoners used to hide sharp objects/weapons in Qur'ans and that prison guards could not touch it because it would 'infringe on their rights' (or something like that).
 
Women should be free to choose not to wear burqas.

Women should be free to choose wear burqas.

Simple concept.
 
I think that burqas are oppressive and backwards instruments of male domination of women and that nobody ever wants to wear one, but are forced by their family and husband to do so.

That said, this is a crap law, especially with the justification that it gives. Using that logic, all clothes should be illegal, since you could be hiding anything in there.
 
misterman said:
To some westerners, maybe.
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If some westerners represent the civilized block then so be it.
It does?
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Yes it does.
That one doesn't even require a reply, it's so ridiculous.
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Unless you're going to point out where in the Quran did they tell the believers to make sure their wives wear burqas, your comment is, unavoidably, 'so ridiculous'.
Okay, 1 for 4 - unless the lady under it is uglier.
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That can change.
The Burqa would always be ugly.
 
Dav said:
I think that burqas are oppressive and backwards instruments of male domination of women and that nobody ever wants to wear one, but are forced by their family and husband to do so.
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Sometimes true, sometimes not.
 
Kandahar said:
France is not an Islamic society, and there is no law in France requiring women to wear the burqas. Perhaps the women WANT to wear them?
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Seems to me like you take the belief that if it isn't an Islamic nation, Islamic communities do not have their own "accepted"s and "unaccepted"s.

One would actually draw the assumption, after reading your comment, that Muslim women are only the victims of honor killings in states like Afghanistan and Yemen, and not in states like France and the US.
 
Dav said:
I think that burqas are oppressive and backwards instruments of male domination of women and that nobody ever wants to wear one, but are forced by their family and husband to do so.
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What makes you think so? Some people are simply more conservative than others when it comes to their clothes. If the burqa is what their society considers normal, I could certainly understand how they might feel uncomfortable NOT wearing it...much in the same way that I think most Westerners would not be comfortable wearing non-Western clothes.
 
Apocalypse said:
Seems to me like you take the belief that if it isn't an Islamic nation, Islamic communities do not have their own "accepted"s and "unaccepted"s.
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Sure, they have their own standards. Some Islamic communities consider it unacceptable for women not to wear the burqa. So what? As long as they aren't legally REQUIRED to wear them, then it's no different than any other social construct.

Apocalypse said:
One would actually draw the assumption, after reading your comment, that Muslim women are only the victims of honor killings in states like Afghanistan and Yemen, and not in states like France and the US.
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What do honor killings have to do with the burqa? :confused:
 
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Apocalypse said:
One would actually draw the assumption, after reading your comment, that Muslim women are only the victims of honor killings in states like Afghanistan and Yemen, and not in states like France and the US.
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That's mostly true for any reasonable scale. While these things can occur in France or the US, the frequency is very low and they are usually isolated instances. Whereas in the Islamic theocracy part of the world it's well more prevalent and accepted and tolerated and promoted.
 
Yep, very effective.

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Alvin T. Grey said:
Yep, very effective.

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I think if you want to make the case that people can't wear them for official ID, then definitely there is a valid argument there. Even if being pulled over by a cop or something and he asks you to remove the burqa in order to confirm identity; again valid arguments to be had. In general, completely outlawing the piece of clothing is a much different.
 
Kandahar said:
Sure, they have their own standards. Some Islamic communities consider it unacceptable for women not to wear the burqa. So what? As long as they aren't legally REQUIRED to wear them, then it's no different than any other social construct.
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I'd like to liberate our women from their oppressive clothes. Especially the ones they are legally required to wear. ;)
 
Ikari said:
I think if you want to make the case that people can't wear them for official ID, then definitely there is a valid argument there. Even if being pulled over by a cop or something and he asks you to remove the burqa in order to confirm identity; again valid arguments to be had. In general, completely outlawing the piece of clothing is a much different.
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So how does CCTV get around that?
 
Kandahar said:
What makes you think so? Some people are simply more conservative than others when it comes to their clothes. If the burqa is what their society considers normal, I could certainly understand how they might feel uncomfortable NOT wearing it...much in the same way that I think most Westerners would not be comfortable wearing non-Western clothes.
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For one thing, their culture should be that of the place where they reside, not that of the place which they are originally from.

Also, if such a culture requires that women wear something that is not only very uncomfortable (especially in heat), but also effectively hides them from all the world except their husband/family, then that is an oppressive society in the first place. And yes, it's not required by law, but that doesn't mean that her family won't disown and possibly even hurt/kill her if she takes it off.
 
Dav said:
For one thing, their culture should be that of the place where they reside, not that of the place which they are originally from.
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Why? Who cares? Their dress choice doesn't hurt you or anyone else, so who are you to say what their culture "should" be?

Dav said:
Also, if such a culture requires that women wear something that is not only very uncomfortable (especially in heat),
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My culture requires that I wear a suit to work. That's quite uncomfortable, especially in the heat. Am I being oppressed?

Dav said:
but also effectively hides them from all the world except their husband/family, then that is an oppressive society in the first place. And yes, it's not required by law, but that doesn't mean that her family won't disown and possibly even hurt/kill her if she takes it off.
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And my family might disown me (not really, but you get the point) if I frequently walked around nude in public. Is that different somehow? As for hurting/killing a woman who doesn't wear a burqa...hurting/killing are already illegal.
 
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If France wants the law, that's fine for France. I'd not support it in the US though.
 
Alvin T. Grey said:
All CCTV. Including those in Banks, shops, private residences, not just the ones you seem to have a problem with.
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Why do I need to consider them? I can walk around with all sorts of **** that can obscure me from CCTV. I mean, Halloween masks can work too...do we outlaw those? No. There's no reason to consider CCTV. People don't need to follow me or record me wherever I go, it's not their right to video tape me. If I have something which obscures their imaging of me, so be it. Their f'n problem, not mine. In terms of constructing law about articles of clothing, CCTV does not need to be given any ounce of consideration.
 
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The law is not good.

However, the Messiah is going to sign a bill in the US that fines people for not having approved health insurance.

Compared to that, what the French do with their clothes isn't important.
 
Dav said:
For one thing, their culture should be that of the place where they reside, not that of the place which they are originally from.

Also, if such a culture requires that women wear something that is not only very uncomfortable (especially in heat), but also effectively hides them from all the world except their husband/family, then that is an oppressive society in the first place. And yes, it's not required by law, but that doesn't mean that her family won't disown and possibly even hurt/kill her if she takes it off.
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A person's culture is his heritage and his environment and ultimately his choice.

But outlawing burgas? Just another example of the French recognizing the threat Islamic tumors present to civilized society and an example of the French's inability to ever do anything effective in response to a threat.
 
Alvin T. Grey said:
So how does CCTV get around that?
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CCTV.

You mean like for autmated/remote surveillance of daily activities of the people in public places?

Easy solution.

Spray paint any CCTV camera you see. Have all your friends join the party, use different colors, redecorate your city.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Who can have easy access to a machinegun in baggy pants?

Burqa, you just have it there and just start shooting. Nobody can identify a person in Burqa. And it is against womens rights as well, something certainly invalid for all your comparisons.
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Wearing a pup-tent is a violation of women's right?

I've seen TONS of women who benefit me greatly if they donned a tent.

Seriously, don't you EVER say camping gear attire is a violation of women's rights. For some of them, not wearing it is a violation of my scenery rights.
 
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