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Since reading or participating in the abortion threads

  • My views have changed to completely against abortion

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • My views have change to slightly more against abortion

    Votes: 6 13.0%
  • My views have not changed at all on abortion

    Votes: 34 73.9%
  • My views have changed to slightly more in favor of abortion

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • My views have changes to completely in favor of abortion

    Votes: 2 4.3%

  • Total voters
    46
Inspired by this comment by REEFEDJIB in the abortion threads;



I would like to know if anyone reading this poll have ever changed or moderated their views on the legality of abortion,.... as a result of reading (or participating in) the 'abortion' threads.

I'm not making the vote public,... your vote will not be seen by others.

My views have changed significantly on abortion in that they are now far more refined then they were when I first came to DP.

I've always been against abortion, however.
 
That's very odd,...

At my age, I don't change my mind very often,... nor very easily,... But I can explain my change with no problem at all. Gradual or not.

I'm happy for you.
 
I'm pro-choice, pro-abortion, pro-murder, whatever you want to call it.

A year or so ago we had a move here in the UK to reduce the legal time restrictions.

We had an intense debate in the media and in Parliament, it was a free vote in the house of commons,MP's were allowed to vote with their conscience not with the Party line.

There were some great minds on either side, the move for reduction was soundly defeated.

So nothing I read here is going to alter my stance.

It is a Womans right to decide what to do with her body, within the guide lines of the law.
 
My views have changed significantly on abortion in that they are now far more refined then they were when I first came to DP.

I've always been against abortion, however.

I'm having the same experience Jerry.

My views haven't changed per se' but they have been greatly refined and fortified.

I'm happy to say that as trying as some of the more radical opponents may be,... I have learned some new little details in trying to reach them.

It's been one of the better forums for that,... for sure.
 
I'm reticent to associate myself with "pro-choice" movements or arguments as I generally do not agree with them. I still think the unborn are innocent humans and that abortion kills them. My problem is that enforcing a ban on abortion would be utterly unfeasible without draconian methods being employed against women.

Like it was for the 100+ years before Roe was decided and abortion was illegal?
 
Like it was for the 100+ years before Roe was decided and abortion was illegal?

did the medical technology for abortion even exist back then? this argument is a bit of an anachronism/red herring
 
did the medical technology for abortion even exist back then? this argument is a bit of an anachronism/red herring

It's not an argument.

We have had elective abortion illegal before in our nation's history,... and there were no 'draconian' methods employed against women at that time.

So, claiming that there would be ,... in the event that abortions were to be further restricted,... is simply ignorant of the historical record.

That's all.
 
ok, fair enough
 
Actually, yes.

Ethereal,.. can you tell me how our laws against rape and child molestation are 'feasable' and how a law against elective abortions (by the same measure) would not be?

Please?

I would really like to see you break that down for me.
 
We have had elective abortion illegal before in our nation's history,... and there were no 'draconian' methods employed against women at that time.

This is totally untrue. Women were subject to the authority of a patriarchal power structure. Women were expected to fulfill a certain role in society and the idea that they weren't treated like second class citizens is utter BS.
 
This is totally untrue. Women were subject to the authority of a patriarchal power structure. Women were expected to fulfill a certain role in society and the idea that they weren't treated like second class citizens is utter BS.

FYI,... I am just as defensive of and protective of woman,.. as I am the children they bear.

That said,... sleep happens (with my woman) ... more tomorrow!
 
Ethereal,.. can you tell me how our laws against rape and child molestation are 'feasable' and how a law against elective abortions (by the same measure) would not be?

Please?

I would really like to see you break that down for me.

How are you going to enforce a ban on abortions? Are you going to treat every miscarriage like a possible murder? Are you going to haul women into the police station and inspect their private parts for evidence of an abortion? Yea, that sounds real swell.
 
FYI,... I am just as defensive of and protective of woman,.. as I am the children they bear.

That said,... sleep happens (with my woman) ... more tomorrow!

Just as long as you realize your previous statements were totally inaccurate. Women were, generally speaking, controlled by their husbands and immediate family; it most certainly was draconian. They didn't have the liberty and choice they're afforded today.
 
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I use to be firmly against abortion in all its forms. Much like you chuz. Thanks to many an abortion debate plus other debates mixed in I found the value of personal choice. Which is ultimately what our Constitution is about. I may not personally like the idea of abortion. But I do not have the right to tell someone else what they should believe in or do with their own bodies.
 
No abortion thread in any forum I've ever been in has had any significant effect on me other than to strengthen my position on abortion.

I'm still for a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy for any reason in the first trimester. I still think that elective abortion in the second and third trimesters should be illegal. The only exceptions being a severely malformed fetus or a life-threatening pregnancy. I'm willing to reluctantly accept the idea of second trimester abortions in cases of rape or incest, but never in the third trimester.

I haven't come across any valid arguments, on this forum or any other, that have made me question my position.
 
Since it's not specified, I'm assuming you mean threads on this particular forum, not threads on any forum because my answer would have to change. At one point, I was very much anti-abortion, but as I got older and matured, I changed my mind, but that was long, long ago and I have yet to see anything from the anti-abortion side that has convinced me that they have a clue. It's all a bunch of emotional threats and whining, nothing more.
 
It needs to be legal.

I would prefer to reduce the number of abortions through education, access to better birth control (including reversible male contraceptives), and increasing support networks available to single parents.

edited to specifically answer your question about the forum: I have only been here about a month, and have only participated in a couple of threads about abortion, so, no influence. Plus, I've honed my ideas on this topic over a number of years. I'm a regular contributor to Planned Parenthood. I talk to my kids about birth control. I've written many times over the years about safe sex education, as well as civil liberty implications of restrictions on abortion. I don't think that there is much new information you could give me at this point that I haven't considered at some point in the past.
 
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