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Should marijuana be legalized?

Should we legalize pot?

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Zyphlin said:
for the love of christ. People like you and Liberal are as much to blame for this not being legal as those that buy into the myths, because its ridiculous, over the top, pathetically ignorant and stupid arguments like this that cause the average person that has no dog in this fight to look at it and go "haha, stupid potheads, they just want to get high"
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No matter how many times you call the argument stupid, I'm still right and you're still wrong. If you really want to convince me, go drink two gallons of water in 15 minutes and tell me whether you survive or not.
 
roderic said:
Ah, yes, that must be what was meant, it shows that both Sodium and water are dangerous substances, and this would be a very good legalising argument...:lol:

Also, food poisoning is not uncommon, but there is not a single case known to have been the result of ingesting Cannabis, so food is far more dangerous than pot.
Those puritarian, fascist tee-totallers are either ignorant or purposefully withholding such vital information. It's political, man, it's the establishment oppressing the masses by keeping them away from the good stuff.
Yeah, that's what it is, pass me the pipe...
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Do I sense some sarcasm? Or is it exhaustion from irrational discourse?
Ooh ooh I know, pick me :2wave: ! It's the latter ;)
 
DrunkenAsparagus said:
This applies moreso to alcohol
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That's right.
So are you saying the externalities of alcohol use are acceptable?
All the regulations, sales restrictions and taxation have failed to keep people safe from causing damage to themselves and others through irrational, addictive overconsumption.
 
Tsunami said:
No matter how many times you call the argument stupid, I'm still right and you're still wrong. If you really want to convince me, go drink two gallons of water in 15 minutes and tell me whether you survive or not.
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Funny, funny, funny! Thank you very much. I am off to my beddie with my kittie, wearing my snuggles, for a happy, happy night. Life is good.

Good night. Computer shutting dow...........:rofl
 
roderic said:
I used to think it's a matter of individual rights, but the other side of the coin are negative externalities.
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Ah, the rise of the bull**** "externalities".

"You can't be free", they say, "think of the externalities!"

roderic said:
Who's going to pick up the bill when somebody self-medicates for a depression, gets worse instead of better, loses their job and winds up in care, the tee-totaller who objected to it being legalised?
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If they don't have the money and the god damned mealy mouthed pious hypocritical socialists who babble endlessly about "externalities" are too damned cheap to contribute their own money to charity, I guess they die in the gutter.

That's okay with me. The stupid exist to be punished.


roderic said:
What about the loss of productivity,
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What about it?

If their ability to work declines, they get fired.

Why should I be concerned about this?

roderic said:
What are the benefits the community derives from people smoking pot, do they make up for the costs?
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The community benefits by learning that it's members are in no wise obligated to run their lives as a charity for friggin' parasites.
 
Chuz Life said:
The laws concerning those two are quite different from each other.

So which will it be?

Legal like cigarettes? Or legal like Booze?
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Legal like booze most likely. With the same responsibilities and penalties.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Medical effects be damned, the hophead has as much right to destroy his one and only body with heroin as the pothead has to damage his body with marijuana as the sanctimonious regulating tee-totaller has sticking his head up his ass.
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I agree, which is my issue with ignorant arguments like Tsunami and Liberal are making, because THEY are like birthers and truthers...making ridiculous asinine arguments that turn average people OFF of the notion.

Tsunami said:
No matter how many times you call the argument stupid, I'm still right and you're still wrong. If you really want to convince me, go drink two gallons of water in 15 minutes and tell me whether you survive or not.
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Actually, no, you're not, and the idiotic comment you just made shows it. I'm not going to go and drink two gallons of water in 15 minutes because its ****ing idiotic and NO ONE does that unless they're doing it due to some external reason adding to it, like a competition.

You're delusional on this point, and you're the marijuana equivalent of those saying Obama is Kenyan. You're just as damaging to your cause as they are and your point is just as laughably stupid
 
EnigmaO01 said:
But why make it easier?
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Why is it your business? Pot, if anything, would be safer as it could be regulated by the government or an open market. Kids would proably use it less, as dealers don't check ID. Also, there is no evidence that other forms of prohibition drove done use. Countries that have decriminilized drugs haven't reported a significant increase in use
 
roderic said:
That's right.
So are you saying the externalities of alcohol use are acceptable?
All the regulations, sales restrictions and taxation have failed to keep people safe from causing damage to themselves and others through irrational, addictive overconsumption.
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And the 18th Amendment made things 10Xs worse
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Ah, the rise of the bull**** "externalities".

"You can't be free", they say, "think of the externalities!"
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Oh dear, you can see right through my charade, asking a question on topic was just a charade to hide my true intention, which is to take away the freedom of pot-smokers, remind me why I want to do this?
Ah, here it is:
If they don't have the money and the god damned mealy mouthed pious hypocritical socialists who babble endlessly about "externalities" are too damned cheap to contribute their own money to charity, I guess they die in the gutter.
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I understand, and take your criticism on. I shall grow some weed and distribute it to homeless dope-smokers, so they won't get too depressed. If they want more free handouts, nobody stops them from getting the next bus to Canada or some other socialist dictatorship where they steal money from honest citizens and give it to bums and losers.
 
Zyphlin said:
Actually, no, you're not, and the idiotic comment you just made shows it. I'm not going to go and drink two gallons of water in 15 minutes because its ****ing idiotic and NO ONE does that unless they're doing it due to some external reason adding to it, like a competition.
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Dope-heads do it all the time when they're high, and urge others to do so as well, which is why drugs have to remain illegal.
It's not some carcinogenic chemicals which make cannabis an evil and destructive drug, but the well-documented reefer madness which makes them do crazy things.
The permanent brain damage caused is evident in this very thread.
 
Did you just seriously try to use 'reefer madness" as a legitimate argument outside of a crappy 60's PSA?

You score 10 points on the "so strange its awesome" scale
 
roderic said:
Fair enough, but the constant insinuations do annoy me after all, let me say it clearly, once and for all:
I am not a "toker", I do not like marijuana and partook in a total of 2 joints during the last 30 years.
This prevents me as little from arguing in favour of legislation as me being hetero stops me supporting gay marriage or being white from objecting to racism.
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Ok add former tokers too.
I never stated that tokers or former tokers should not have an opinion .
I stated thet a learned professor's opinion carries more weight IMO than tokers( + former tokers).


As white people are victims of racism then being one cannot really disqualify you from objecting to it.
Some gays would argue that being straight disqualifies you from objecting to it.
There is no medical evidence that shows that either racism or gay marriages have a direct risk of mental illness so there is no value to these comparisons
 
roderic said:
Dope-heads do it all the time when they're high, and urge others to do so as well, which is why drugs have to remain illegal.
It's not some carcinogenic chemicals which make cannabis an evil and destructive drug, but the well-documented reefer madness which makes them do crazy things.
The permanent brain damage caused is evident in this very thread.
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Are you serious? I really can't tell. :confused:
 
The History Channel did a great series on the origins of marijuana as relates to this great country of ours.

It revealed that the calamitous assault on legal marijuana was started by racists in the Southwest area of our country. Their target was Mexicans.

The anti-pot movement has turned into a cottage industry. The DEA has lots of employees who keep their swimming pools filled and their country club dues paid by plain out lying about it. One of the biggest lies is that it is addictive.

DEA agents are very well paid and reap many benefits as a result of their lies.
 
liblady said:
it's no more dnagerous than alcohol, less so, probably. i've never met a mean pot-head. ;-)
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I've met a few burned out ones that couldn't hold a job and were being bailed out on our dime. :(
 
Decriminalized? Perhaps.

Legalized? I would rather not.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
I've met a few burned out ones that couldn't hold a job and were being bailed out on our dime. :(
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When you can prove that MJ was the reason they were lazy losers, then you might have something. Until then, they are the source of their own problems and shouldn't be allowed to blame their worthlessness on inanimate objects like MJ or anything else.
 
Binary_Digit said:
When you can prove that MJ was the reason they were lazy losers, then you might have something. Until then, they are the source of their own problems and shouldn't be allowed to blame their worthlessness on inanimate objects like MJ or anything else.
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Don't need to prove it. There's lots of data out there that shows regular use creates an attitude of ambivalence toward leading a productive life. If you don't believe me look it up.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Don't need to prove it. There's lots of data out there that shows regular use creates an attitude of ambivalence toward leading a productive life. If you don't believe me look it up.
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I have looked it up. There is nothing but a bunch of assumptions based on correlation/causation fallacies. Check the IOM and the AMA, they have no evidence MJ causes amotivational syndrome. It's one of many empty bull**** chicken little claims people use to try and demonize what they don't like/understand.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
I've met a few burned out ones that couldn't hold a job and were being bailed out on our dime. :(
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And the correct solution to that problem is to stop giving them our dimes, since no one has a prior claim to my money for their little problems that exceeds my ownership of that money.

If someone is too lazy to work, let them starve and beg.

Don't steal money from citizens just to throw at other people, stealing is wrong.

Not to mention unconstitutional.
 
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Scarecrow Akhbar said:
And the correct solution to that problem is to stop giving them our dimes, since no one has a prior claim to my money for their little problems that exceeds my ownership of that money.

If someone is too lazy to work, let them starve and beg.

Don't steal money from citizens just to throw at other people, stealing is wrong.

Not to mention unconstitutional.
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Lazy bums that drink and smoke dope, give both a bad rap---I give them nothin but advice---"Get a Job, or crawl up under a bridge and die."---We have no shortage of good hard working productive people as it is, that could use a helping hand. Nature has it's on culling system. Let it work.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Don't need to prove it. There's lots of data out there that shows regular use creates an attitude of ambivalence toward leading a productive life. If you don't believe me look it up.
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Where? On the DEA website?:rofl
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
And the correct solution to that problem is to stop giving them our dimes, since no one has a prior claim to my money for their little problems that exceeds my ownership of that money.

If someone is too lazy to work, let them starve and beg.

Don't steal money from citizens just to throw at other people, stealing is wrong.

Not to mention unconstitutional.
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You are using an assumption like an assertion.:roll:
 
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