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Should marijuana be legalized?

Should we legalize pot?

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modobrofo said:
a. the argument is "should marijuana be legalized." you don't want to debunk an argument supporting that idea? why are you here? isnt that the point?

b. i was clearly mocking your refusal to debate the topic of this poll when i declared myself the winner.

c. what?
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I can see that you know your abc

I think my point was near enough to the threads title to be able to post it, champ.
You may have observed an idea about a compromise which was the main premise of my argument.
I couldnt be bothered with your argument.
Can't see everyone else lining up to debate with you but I hope they do, you seem desperate.
 
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Skateguy said:
I just finished off an afternoon bowl---and the affects, seem to make you folks seem smarter, and much better looking, I might add. cheers
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I bet youre like Blind melon chitlin:mrgreen:
 
angrybeaver said:
I can see that you know your abc

I think my point was near enough to the threads title to be able to post it, champ.
You may have observed an idea about a compromise which was the main premise of my argument.
I couldnt be bothered with your argument.
Can't see everyone else lining up to debate with you but I hope they do, you seem desperate.
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really clever edit there with the abc comment. you definitely added a lot to your post with that.

perhaps legalizing a lower thc content marijuana would be an acceptable compromise. i think that it would be largely circumvented, continuing the empowerment of cartels and preventing maximization of tax revenue, but at least it would put a dent in the destruction caused by prohibition. however, you don't seem to recognize the fact that our current policy is harmful, nor do you acknowledge the possibility that marijuana is not as harmful as "reefer madness" would lead you to believe, and that is the problem. it is a shame that people like you are legislators.
 
modobrofo said:
really clever edit there with the abc comment. you definitely added a lot to your post with that.

perhaps legalizing a lower thc content marijuana would be an acceptable compromise. i think that it would be largely circumvented, continuing the empowerment of cartels and preventing maximization of tax revenue, but at least it would put a dent in the destruction caused by prohibition. however, you don't seem to recognize the fact that our current policy is harmful, nor do you acknowledge the possibility that marijuana is not as harmful as "reefer madness" would lead you to believe, and that is the problem. it is a shame that people like you are legislators.
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I've smoked it, ate it, grown it and sold it junior.
I am not nor ever will be a legislator.
 
angrybeaver said:
I've smoked it, ate it, grown it and sold it junior.
I am not nor ever will be a legislator.
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wow, you must be an expert then! i never said you were a legislator. nor did i say you had never used it. maybe your problem is that you apply personal, anecdotal evidence to everything instead of considering things in a broader perspective and considering the facts (for and against your argument) as a whole?
 
Legalizing marijuana is a move to deal with the crime and violence of our prohibition problem. It is to eliminate a black market for the drug, and the crime associated with that (which is heavily slanted towards juvenile perpetrators, and usage).

After we are able to shrug off the problems associated with the black market (including those Mexicans squatting and destroying our Ntl. Forests), we will be in a better position to deal with marijuana the DRUG problem.

In order to be able to do anything about the drug problem, we have to get rid of the black market, the crime, and the violence that is sucking our resources down the drain, preventing us from dealing with our DRUG problem.

A "compromise" with low THC pot will guarantee the continued existence of a black market distribution, we cannot bail out a tub of water with the faucet running still.
 
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modobrofo said:
wow, you must be an expert then! i never said you were a legislator. nor did i say you had never used it. maybe your problem is that you apply personal, anecdotal evidence to everything instead of considering things in a broader perspective and considering the facts (for and against your argument) as a whole?
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Why because I dont have the same view as you champ?
Maybe your problem is that you are wrong.
 
marduc said:
Legalizing marijuana is a move to deal with the crime and violence of our prohibition problem. It is to eliminate a black market for the drug, and the crime associated with that (which is heavily slanted towards juvenile perpetrators, and usage).

After we are able to shrug off the problems associated with the black market (including those Mexicans squatting and destroying our Ntl. Forests), we will be in a better position to deal with marijuana the DRUG problem.

In order to be able to do anything about the drug problem, we have to get rid of the black market, the crime, and the violence that is sucking our resources down the drain, preventing us from dealing with our DRUG problem.

A "compromise" with low THC pot will guarantee the continued existence of a black market distribution, we cannot bail out a tub of water with the faucet running still.
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Depends how low the thc is.
If the legal cannabis is strong enough to get high why should most people break the law by buying illegal high thc bud.
There is obvious flaws in it but letting very high thc onto the market is like selling gut rot moonshine because if you dont people are either going to drink lots of lager until they get the same effect or just buy the illegal gut rot.
Maybe most people do not want to get wasted and maybe the ones that do need treatment rather than strong drugs.
 
If smoking is wrong, then why is pot right?
 
angrybeaver said:
Why because I dont have the same view as you champ?
Maybe your problem is that you are wrong.
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whats with calling me champ and junior all of the sudden? it just makes you sound like an ass. my point is that you are in a thread regarding marijuana legalization, but you refuse to debate the subject and address a coherent argument for it. maybe i am wrong-why don't you try to prove it to me? is that not the point of a debate? if you aren't interested in discussing the arguments of those who disagree with you, you don't belong on a debate website.

as for your argument that one dangerous substance is enough: hypothetically, do you think that alcohol should be illegal? forgive me if you have mentioned this before.
 
angrybeaver said:
Depends how low the thc is.
If the legal cannabis is strong enough to get high why should most people break the law by buying illegal high thc bud.
There is obvious flaws in it but letting very high thc onto the market is like selling gut rot moonshine because if you dont people are either going to drink lots of lager until they get the same effect or just buy the illegal gut rot.
Maybe most people do not want to get wasted and maybe the ones that do need treatment rather than strong drugs.
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couldn't those who do not want to get wasted just smoke less? if thc content was included on the package, as it likely would be, people could give themselves as much of a dose as they want. you said yourself that some people want to get wasted and some do not. this implies that those who want to will do so, whether they need to smoke a greater amount of low potency marijuana or buy illegal marijuana. why not legalize and use part of the revenues for treatment programs?
 
modobrofo said:
whats with calling me champ and junior all of the sudden? it just makes you sound like an ass. my point is that you are in a thread regarding marijuana legalization, but you refuse to debate the subject and address a coherent argument for it. maybe i am wrong-why don't you try to prove it to me? is that not the point of a debate? if you aren't interested in discussing the arguments of those who disagree with you, you don't belong on a debate website.

as for your argument that one dangerous substance is enough: hypothetically, do you think that alcohol should be illegal? forgive me if you have mentioned this before.
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One dangerous substance is enough means just that.
If cannabis was legal and alchohol was not then maybe I would argue that we should make beer and wine legal but not spirits.
You were the one that stated you were a winner and implied I got my knowledge of cannabis through viewing 'reefer madness'.
If you can dish it out you should cry when you get it back.
 
modobrofo said:
couldn't those who do not want to get wasted just smoke less? if thc content was included on the package, as it likely would be, people could give themselves as much of a dose as they want. you said yourself that some people want to get wasted and some do not. this implies that those who want to will do so, whether they need to smoke a greater amount of low potency marijuana or buy illegal marijuana. why not legalize and use part of the revenues for treatment programs?
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High tar cigarettes are known to be more dangerous than lower tar ones.
Im not referring to the extremely low tar ones but the middling ones that give you a buzz but are not just fresh air.
People who smoke high tar cigarettes do not generally smoke significantly less of them than people who smoke middle tar ones..hence the danger.
I have no reason to believe that someone will only smoke half a spliff because it is very strong nor would they put less bud in the joint.
 
angrybeaver said:
High tar cigarettes are known to be more dangerous than lower tar ones.
Im not referring to the extremely low tar ones but the middling ones that give you a buzz but are not just fresh air.
People who smoke high tar cigarettes do not generally smoke significantly less of them than people who smoke middle tar ones..hence the danger.
I have no reason to believe that someone will only smoke half a spliff because it is very strong nor would they put less bud in the joint.
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I disagree. After more than 40 years of smoking, I smoke less now than I ever have. I actually take one toke off a small one hitter, and I'm good for the day. I'm fine tuned like that from years of diligent practice. "Smoking more pot, does not make you higher, it just makes you have less pot"
 
Skateguy said:
I disagree. After more than 40 years of smoking, I smoke less now than I ever have. I actually take one toke off a small one hitter, and I'm good for the day. I'm fine tuned like that from years of diligent practice. "Smoking more pot, does not make you higher, it just makes you have less pot"
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That is not my experience.
The more you smoke the more it takes you to get high is the norm to me.
40 years ago I guess the stuff you smoked was not as strong as the high thc skunk that you get nowdays.
You may smoke a good few spliffs for many years and have no ill effects.
Some people had smoked 30 cigarettes a day since they were 14 years old and live to be old but many didnt. Smoking in Europe has been banned inside public buildings because of the people who were crippled and died through smoking not the ones that it had little effect on.
 
angrybeaver said:
High tar cigarettes are known to be more dangerous than lower tar ones.
Im not referring to the extremely low tar ones but the middling ones that give you a buzz but are not just fresh air.
People who smoke high tar cigarettes do not generally smoke significantly less of them than people who smoke middle tar ones..hence the danger.
I have no reason to believe that someone will only smoke half a spliff because it is very strong nor would they put less bud in the joint.
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using cigarettes as an example, couldn't we sell both low and high potency weed? people could choose which potency they wanted. like you said, people will smoke as much as they want to smoke. if they don't want to get wasted, why would they not put less weed in the joint? this seems like a pretty logical thing to do. on the other hand, if they do want to get wasted, why would they not put more weed in the joint? it's like when people decide "i want to get drunk tonight," they will either drink a certain volume of liquor or a greater volume of beer so that they get the same amount of alcohol. likewise, people decide "i don't want to get wasted tonight," so they will drink a beer instead of taking shots. people can control how intoxicated they get on their own.
 
angrybeaver said:
There is a great deal of evidence that shows that long term use exacerbates schizophrenia,depression and can be mentally crippling.
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Nonsense. You can't get schizophrenic from smoking marijuana. It alleviates depression. What the **** is mentally crippling?

If you want to do yourself harm then do it but jump off a cliff dont perpetuate a dangerous drug which can harm others.
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My smoking marijuana doesn't harm others.

This same guff was spouted by tobacco smokers 40 years ago.
It seems that they were wrong, children have been made sick by secondary smoke and mothers and fathers have died after many years of smoking.
Tell it to your kids when your in the padded cell.
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You are not making any sense. Do you need to watch "reefer madness" again and get your "facts" straight?
 
modobrofo said:
using cigarettes as an example, couldn't we sell both low and high potency weed? people could choose which potency they wanted. like you said, people will smoke as much as they want to smoke. if they don't want to get wasted, why would they not put less weed in the joint? this seems like a pretty logical thing to do. on the other hand, if they do want to get wasted, why would they not put more weed in the joint? it's like when people decide "i want to get drunk tonight," they will either drink a certain volume of liquor or a greater volume of beer so that they get the same amount of alcohol. likewise, people decide "i don't want to get wasted tonight," so they will drink a beer instead of taking shots. people can control how intoxicated they get on their own.
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It's certainly a plan.It would give people the choice.
I have it in my mind to suggest that there should be an age limit to buy the strong stuff but for reasons expressed by you and others I cant see that working.
If cannabis resin was legal maybe we would get the bits of plastic in it that you find sometimes.
 
Pot smokers, attention. Let's overgrow the United States.

Everybody take their left over pot seeds and spread them around this spring.

We could overgrow the country with pot plants.:mrgreen:
 
reefedjib said:
Nonsense. You can't get schizophrenic from smoking marijuana. It alleviates depression. What the **** is mentally crippling?



My smoking marijuana doesn't harm others.



You are not making any sense. Do you need to watch "reefer madness" again and get your "facts" straight?
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It alleviates depression is about the dumbest thing that I have seen today, congratulations.
Mentally crippling is having the potential to make you so mentally ill that you are crippled, couldnt you work that out for yourself?

Its pretty well documented that cannabis can exacerbate mental illness .
Reefer madness has got nothing to do with it.
Apparently you seem so stupid that you cannot see the risk you are taking.
Idiots who claim that there is no danger at all in taking a drug..no matter what drug it is are inherently stupid and cannot make their own decisions.
You belong in that category of idiot.
 
angrybeaver said:
That is not my experience.
The more you smoke the more it takes you to get high is the norm to me.
40 years ago I guess the stuff you smoked was not as strong as the high thc skunk that you get nowdays.
You may smoke a good few spliffs for many years and have no ill effects.
Some people had smoked 30 cigarettes a day since they were 14 years old and live to be old but many didnt. Smoking in Europe has been banned inside public buildings because of the people who were crippled and died through smoking not the ones that it had little effect on.
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I really can't disagree with you on this. I have often commented on how Pot affects everyone differently. some it makes mellow and relaxed. Others like my self, it is almost like speed, or mild acid. It give me energy and makes my senses tingle. I have done my very best projects under it's influence. ---but it does affect us differently.--I have friends who smoke like trains, but get no higher.---On the cig thing--my theory is, that it is the 20 sheets of paper per pack that people smoke, that does the most harm, not the tobacco. That is a lot of paper to inhale, that is treated with all kinds of chemicals, to control the burn. I prefer a pipe, or a good cigar.
 
angrybeaver said:
It alleviates depression is about the dumbest thing that I have seen today, congratulations.
Mentally crippling is having the potential to make you so mentally ill that you are crippled, couldnt you work that out for yourself?

Its pretty well documented that cannabis can exacerbate mental illness .
Reefer madness has got nothing to do with it.
Apparently you seem so stupid that you cannot see the risk you are taking.
Idiots who claim that there is no danger at all in taking a drug..no matter what drug it is are inherently stupid and cannot make their own decisions.
You belong in that category of idiot.
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Where is this documentation you speak of?

In my situation, I was mentally ill before smoking pot. Smoking pot alleviates my symptoms. I was able to get a degree in Physics while smoking pot regularly. It was not crippling - actually the opposite. It helped me learn some of the bizarre world of Physics. It helped me visualize the quantum world. It has no long term debilitative effects. The only danger has nothing to do with thc - it only has to do with the act of smoking it.
 
The most severe danger--is gettin caught with it in yer pocket.
 
reefedjib said:
Where is this documentation you speak of?

In my situation, I was mentally ill before smoking pot. Smoking pot alleviates my symptoms. I was able to get a degree in Physics while smoking pot regularly. It was not crippling - actually the opposite. It helped me learn some of the bizarre world of Physics. It helped me visualize the quantum world. It has no long term debilitative effects. The only danger has nothing to do with thc - it only has to do with the act of smoking it.
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If smoking pot has alleviated your mental illness then good for you.
For some it has the opposite effect.
 
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