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Who's at fault?

is whaling wrong?

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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I'm done. You are clueless and yet you keep posting as if you had a clue. :lol:
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You should have been done long ago, because you are wrong.......:2razz:
The smaller vessel may be charged with something as well, but the captain of the larger one will have to answer for the deliberate ram.....;)
Sounds to me like your more pissed off about why the smaller vessel was in the area, than anything else......
The most likely scenario is that they will both be charged with something, with the larger vessel bearing more of the culpability & paying damages......;)
Since there was no loss of life, it will be easier for prosecutors to come to a deal......
Frankly, I'm curious of the outcome, hopefully one of our members from KIWI can keep us updated as stuff like this goes off the radar after the initial hulabaloo.......:)
 
Partisan said:
You should have been done long ago, because you are wrong.......:2razz:
The smaller vessel may be charged with something as well, but the captain of the larger one will have to answer for the deliberate ram.....;)
Sounds to me like your more pissed off about why the smaller vessel was in the area, than anything else......
The most likely scenario is that they will both be charged with something, with the larger vessel bearing more of the culpability & paying damages......;)
Since there was no loss of life, it will be easier for prosecutors to come to a deal......
Frankly, I'm curious of the outcome, hopefully one of our members from KIWI can keep us updated as stuff like this goes off the radar after the initial hulabaloo.......:)
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your talking out your waste ejection port as usual. why are you continuing. until you link me to international maritime law to which the offending parties have ratified, you, are as usual are wrong. :shrug:
 
I'm having whale streaks tonight. come join me--but bring Beers.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
your talking out your waste ejection port as usual. why are you continuing. until you link me to international maritime law to which the offending parties have ratified, you, are as usual are wrong. :shrug:
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1) Drinking water out of the Kill Van Kull seems to have affected your cognitive ability......:lol:
2) As I am not an expert on international maritime law, I will wait to see what the authorities have to say, but common sense says you are wrong.....;)
3) I won't waste one moment of my time researching it for you, at least until I feel like it....
4) You've said goodbye so many times on this thread, I feel like I'm at a Who concert......
 
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Partisan said:
1) Drinking water out of the Kill Van Kull seems to have affected your cognitive ability......:lol:
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Uhm, FAIL

2) As I am not an expert on international maritime law, I will wait to see what the authorities have to say, but common sense says you are wrong.....;)
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Shocking.... Thank you for admitting you were talking out of a southern orifice as usual.

3) I won't waste one moment of my time researching it for you, at least until I feel like it....
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Thank you for your concession

4) You've said goodbye so many times on this thread, I feel like I'm at a Who concert......
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I said it once chuckles, I then left, then I chose to came back. The Failure is as usual all yours. :2wave:
 
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1) Drinking water out of the Kill Van Kull seems to have affected your cognitive ability......
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Uhm, FAIL
Well then would you explain the cause of your lack of cognitive ability?.....

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2) As I am not an expert on international maritime law, I will wait to see what the authorities have to say, but common sense says you are wrong.....
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Shocking.... Thank you for admitting you were talking out of a southern orifice as usual.
I read the maritime rules, there are cases for both sides....;)

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3) I won't waste one moment of my time researching it for you, at least until I feel like it....
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Thank you for your concession
No concession, read the rules for yourself....;)

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4) You've said goodbye so many times on this thread, I feel like I'm at a Who concert......
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I said it once chuckles, I then left, then I chose to came back. :lol:The Failure is as usual all yours.

Once again, your post had added nothing.....
If you are an expert on maritime law, proclaim it....
If not, your opinion has no more validity than mine.....
& your personal attacks do not bolster your position....
Run along now, like you've promised more than once.....:3oops:
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
They are pirates who attack other vessels.... You cant chase down ships, throw stink bombs, and prop foulers at these ships, then cry when your sorry ass gets rightfully rammed.
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They aren't pirates. They are pirate wannabes. Real pirates don't care for rules and take the consequences of their actions. Still, the Whale War people are within the confines of the law. The video which shows the whole picture shows the little boat at rest and the Japanese boat pulls towards it, at which point the little boat tried to get out of the way but didn't. The international rules are that you can't ram other boats that way. If what the Whale Wars guys are doing was really illegal, it would have been brought up in an international court and they would have lost their official port. Every ship out there needs to be registered to a country, else it really is a pirate ship. While they pretend and fly a Jolly Rodger of sorts; they are not pirates. They have an official port, a country they are bound to. That can be removed, and thus the "pirates" operate within the confines of the law as dictated to them by their home port.

Also, whaling in general should be halted..
 
Ikari said:
They aren't pirates. They are pirate wannabes. Real pirates don't care for rules and take the consequences of their actions. Still, the Whale War people are within the confines of the law. The video which shows the whole picture shows the little boat at rest and the Japanese boat pulls towards it, at which point the little boat tried to get out of the way but didn't. The international rules are that you can't ram other boats that way. If what the Whale Wars guys are doing was really illegal, it would have been brought up in an international court and they would have lost their official port. Every ship out there needs to be registered to a country, else it really is a pirate ship. While they pretend and fly a Jolly Rodger of sorts; they are not pirates. They have an official port, a country they are bound to. That can be removed, and thus the "pirates" operate within the confines of the law as dictated to them by their home port.

Also, whaling in general should be halted..
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So let me ask you, If I run you off the road, every day for a month, and I see you coming one day, and stop you by running YOU off the road.... I am at fault?




They initiated an attack, they were attempting to prop foul. They were rightfully rammed. self defense.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
So let me ask you, If I run you off the road, every day for a month, and I see you coming one day, and stop you by running YOU off the road.... I am at fault?




They initiated an attack, they were attempting to prop foul. They were rightfully rammed. self defense.
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Not according to the international rules of the sea apparently. Else they would have been arrested and jailed long ago. Ramming, though, definitely has major repercussions on the international law scene.
 
Ikari said:
Not according to the international rules of the sea apparently. Else they would have been arrested and jailed long ago. Ramming, though, definitely has major repercussions on the international law scene.
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I wouldn't have left any survivors. :lol:





The pic I posted shows a weapon being aimed at the japanese ship. Ramming should be allowed.
 
Also the size of the ship allows control leeway for the larger vessel, the Ady Gill did a stop and squat..... It's not legal.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Also the size of the ship allows control leeway for the larger vessel, the Ady Gill did a stop and squat..... It's not legal.
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They definitely had stopped, but not in the path of the Japanese boat. The Japanese boat turned towards the smaller one to ram it. But it will be settled in court. Because it was documented and known, this will have to be ferreted out. I think both sides are kinda stupid, one for being pretend pirates and the other for whaling. Neither is necessary anymore.
 
Ikari said:
I think both sides are kinda stupid, one for being pretend pirates and the other for whaling. Neither is necessary anymore.
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There are tens of thousands of Japanese consumers hungry for whale flesh--a market demand for whaling. The fact that some company is supplying that need is not stupid, its perfectly rational. If these whalers weren't doing it, somebody else would be.
 
pendulum_jaw said:
There are tens of thousands of Japanese consumers hungry for whale flesh--a market demand for whaling. The fact that some company is supplying that need is not stupid, its perfectly rational. If these whalers weren't doing it, somebody else would be.
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The act of whaling changed long ago when we began to understand conservation and the impacts overfishing had. Thus we've constrained it. If they weren't doing it, no one else would because we've all agreed not to. Furthermore, they do so under the guise of "research" and we all know it ain't research that they're doing. It's all a scam. The world united and said no to whaling because of the impact it was having on the species; but some people couldn't get with the times and would rather live in the past. Whaling is no longer necessary, it doesn't matter if people still "want" it. Some people want to have sex with little kids, we say no. Some people want to eat endangered species, we say no. Just because there is a "market" doesn't mean that it's necessary or needed or isn't harmful.
 
Ikari said:
The act of whaling changed long ago when we began to understand conservation and the impacts overfishing had. Thus we've constrained it. If they weren't doing it, no one else would because we've all agreed not to. Furthermore, they do so under the guise of "research" and we all know it ain't research that they're doing. It's all a scam. The world united and said no to whaling because of the impact it was having on the species; but some people couldn't get with the times and would rather live in the past. Whaling is no longer necessary, it doesn't matter if people still "want" it. Some people want to have sex with little kids, we say no. Some people want to eat endangered species, we say no. Just because there is a "market" doesn't mean that it's necessary or needed or isn't harmful.
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None of this is relevant to my point. Once demand rises to a high enough level where benefits outweigh the costs (and the promise of profits), somebody somewhere will act to supply that which is demanded.

Those with the necessary resources who wish to have sex with little children are in fact having sex with little children. For example, there is a market for this in Thailand. People saying "no" isn't stopping them.

I'm not saying you're wrong in finding these things reprehensible, just that you're not really looking at it from the right angle.
 
Ikari said:
They aren't pirates. They are pirate wannabes. Real pirates don't care for rules and take the consequences of their actions. Still, the Whale War people are within the confines of the law. The video which shows the whole picture shows the little boat at rest and the Japanese boat pulls towards it, at which point the little boat tried to get out of the way but didn't. The international rules are that you can't ram other boats that way. If what the Whale Wars guys are doing was really illegal, it would have been brought up in an international court and they would have lost their official port. Every ship out there needs to be registered to a country, else it really is a pirate ship. While they pretend and fly a Jolly Rodger of sorts; they are not pirates. They have an official port, a country they are bound to. That can be removed, and thus the "pirates" operate within the confines of the law as dictated to them by their home port.

Also, whaling in general should be halted..
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Do you mean I would have a court case against one of those ships that haul wood chips to Chinese paper mills as they come into my home port, if I stop my 15' outboard in front of them and they ran over me?...... cool!

If you watch the video, and know anything about boats, you can see the Whaling ship try to pass to starboard of the smaller boat (as law requires), then back engines in the attempt to miss the boat. It’s not like you can stop or turn a ship of that size on a dime.
 
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Crunch said:
Do you mean I would have a court case against one of those ships that haul wood chips to Chinese paper mills if I stop my 15' outboard in front of them and they ran over me?...... cool!

If you watch the video, and know anything about boats, you can see the Whaling ship try to pass to starboard of the smaller boat (as law requires), then back engines in the attempt to miss the boat. It’s not like you can stop or turn a ship of that size on a dime.
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I've seen the video and know lots about boats (particularly the physics behind it). The video I saw was rather clear that the Japanese whaling boat turned into the path of the stationary smaller boat. While I know a boat cannot turn on a dime, it can turn.

And if you steered a small boat in front of another boat and claim they ran you over and had video; I would assume that too would go to court to see who did what.
 
pendulum_jaw said:
None of this is relevant to my point. Once demand rises to a high enough level where benefits outweigh the costs (and the promise of profits), somebody somewhere will act to supply that which is demanded.

Those with the necessary resources who wish to have sex with little children are in fact having sex with little children. For example, there is a market for this in Thailand. People saying "no" isn't stopping them.

I'm not saying you're wrong in finding these things reprehensible, just that you're not really looking at it from the right angle.
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Hmm, ok. I think I was saying something similar but on the other side. But yeah, there is a market and there is a way to supply for that market. Either or, I don't think whaling is necessary anymore.
 
Crunch said:
Do you mean I would have a court case against one of those ships that haul wood chips to Chinese paper mills as they come into my home port, if I stop my 15' outboard in front of them and they ran over me?
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That would not be deliberate....:roll:
If you watch the video, and know anything about boats, you can see the Whaling ship try to pass to starboard of the smaller boat (as law requires), then back engines in the attempt to miss the boat. It’s not like you can stop or turn a ship of that size on a dime.
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C'mon, Crunch, he turned to starboard, then hard port....
When you back engines, you don't turn that hard, unless the wheel is hard over....
We both know he intended to ram & he did......;)
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