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Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

  • Its never okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died.

    Votes: 10 19.6%

  • Its okay as long as everybody generally agrees that individual was a despicable person.

    Votes: 3 5.9%

  • Its okay as long as you think that person was despicable.

    Votes: 18 35.3%

  • other

    Votes: 20 39.2%
  • Total voters
    51
MyOwnDrum said:
I think you have to be considerate of grievers. It also depends on your venue.

For instance, in my opinion, tactics like those of Fred Phelps picketing funerals is unacceptable. Making fun of Kennedy on an internet discussion site on threads that people voluntarily participate in is more acceptable.
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How would you define the "bar of evil" that Phelps and Kennedy reached so that it would be acceptable to speak ill of them after death/hospitalization? I'm not asking what the individuals did, but for the definition of the acceptable bar of evil.
 
jamesrage said:
I think if Fred Phelps got seriously injured posters wouldn't be holding their tongue and if Fred Phelps died then people would be wanting to take a bus to his funeral to protest it with signs that say "God hates faggy little asswipe preachers like Fred Phelps"
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That would be a pathetic way to spend and afternoon, don't you think?
 
MyOwnDrum said:
That would be a pathetic way to spend and afternoon, don't you think?
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If I were the father of one of the dead soldiers, I could see how it might be kind of cathartic.
 
Cardinal said:
How would you define the "bar of evil" that Phelps and Kennedy reached so that it would be acceptable to speak ill of them after death/hospitalization? I'm not asking what the individuals did, but for the definition of the acceptable bar of evil.
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I already said that it depends on the venue. It's not a black and white issue. I personally think it's okay to say negative things about dead people in certain venues, but not others.
 
Cardinal said:
If I were the father of one of the dead soldiers, I could see how it might be kind of cathartic.
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Then maybe you would chose to do that. If anyone deserves it, it would be Mr Phelps.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
I already said that it depends on the venue. It's not a black and white issue. I personally think it's okay to say negative things about dead people in certain venues, but not others.
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Then I guess I don't understand what you mean by "venues." Are you saying it's acceptable to speak ill of the dead/injured in some places but not others?
 
MyOwnDrum said:
That would be a pathetic way to spend and afternoon, don't you think?
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What goes around comes around.Besides there might some interesting people to meet there and a few decent places to eat at.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
Then maybe you would chose to do that. If anyone deserves it, it would be Mr Phelps.
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I don't know what I would do in the hypothetical father's shoes, exactly. I think I would probably be more likely to take a more passive "Whew-thank-god-that-prick-is-gone" stance, but I could see how Jamerage's sign idea would hold cathartic value as well.
 
I'm going to put a foot over the ledge and see how far I drop:

The bar of evil, the standard by which we deem it acceptable to speak ill of the dead/injured, can be applied to one whose sole life outcome/goal was to spread human suffering. By that standard, both Limbaugh and Kennedy would both make very poor candidates. Phelps would be a good one because no positive outcome could possibly arise from his actions.

Have at it.
 
jamesrage said:
I think if Fred Phelps got seriously injured posters wouldn't be holding their tongue and if Fred Phelps died then people would be wanting to take a bus to his funeral to protest it with signs that say "God hates faggy little asswipe preachers like Fred Phelps"
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" Yes, that ought to really get Fred's ire." But wait if Fred was dead then...

We always go for that knee jerk reaction. A bomber carries explosives in his shoes and now around 1.5 million Americans are forced to take their shoes off at airports. That must give him a chuckle to know that because of him we have to change our lives.

Fred Phelps dies and you want us to carry fag signs? What good is that?
They would feed off that so much the Phelp clan would be having orgasms in the cemetary.

There are ways to fight these people and that is simply not it. No wonder we can't win a war.
 
Cardinal said:
I'm going to put a foot over the ledge and see how far I drop:

The bar of evil, the standard by which we deem it acceptable to speak ill of the dead/injured, can be applied to one whose sole life outcome/goal was to spread human suffering. By that standard, both Limbaugh and Kennedy would both make very poor candidates. Phelps would be a good one because no positive outcome could possibly arise from his actions.

Have at it.
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Sounds reasonable.
 
Crosscheck said:
" Yes, that ought to really get Fred's ire." But wait if Fred was dead then...
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Crosscheck said:
Fred Phelps dies and you want us to carry fag signs? What good is that?
They would feed off that so much the Phelp clan would be having orgasms in the cemetary.

There are ways to fight these people and that is simply not it. No wonder we can't win a war.
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Well, the act would be symbolic, and purely for ourselves. Also, even if he were simply injured and could see the sign (on the news, e.g.), it still wouldn't have any impact on him. Have you seen any interviews with him or his wife? He "knows" he's right, so all he would be seeing is someone who is "absolutely wrong" carrying around a sign insulting him.
 
Cardinal said:
Uh huh, except we don't typically assign the label of "evil" to those using self defense. Are you saying that Germany didn't start the war, or that Hitler was "protecting" himself from the gypsies, Jews and homosexuals?

Are you, in fact, a Neo Nazi, or are you just playing devil's advocate?

And you still haven't answered, "misguided by who?"
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I don't use the word evil. Evil is what People call someone that goes against their view of morality. That doesn't do what the masses expect, or demand they do. There have been many Violent Men through out time. Their followers call them Heroes, their enemies call them Evil. The person committing the act, may not consider themselves evil. We start Wars. Every nation starts wars. I'm against all wars, so does that mean everyone who participates in war is Evil? To Kill because God is on your side, and has somehow given his approval for War?? Was dropping the Bomb. Evil?? Or just our way to get even? ---I use my own compass to judge things, --it's just the way I roll. I do, however like to discuss things, just to get another persons take on various topics. but I am comfortable in my beliefs, though often not popular. But hey---can't please everybody, so why try?
 
Blackdog said:
Son of a gun I voted wrong!

I think they are dead and don't care. Say what you want.

Zombie Ted Kennedy will come and get you if you speak ill of the Democratic dead![/QUOTE]

IS he going to kill more innocent women while he is resurrected?......;)
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Partisan said:
IS he going to kill more innocent women while he is resurrected?......;)
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Ohhhhhhh! That one has gotta hurt! Dead or not. :lol:
 
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Phantom said:
I wouldn't necessarily speak ill of someone who has died unless they took other people's lives, like Hitler. If someone dies (or is still alive) who has a different political ideology then myself, I would speak out against the message... But I would never speak ill of the person.
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I have zero problem with that, you don't have to love the actions or the person, to me, and as you have well put it, those who haven't intentionally and directly taken innocent life or otherwise victimized others should have enough respect paid as to not speak ill of their character, their acts and words are fair game.
 
I pick other because people need to grow tougher skin and realize people hate each other and thats the way it is. When I whined like alittle bitch over something my dad would beat the living **** out of me and told me to be a man.
 
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I hate no one---few people get that much attention from me---there are just so many folks out there. I don't have the time to waste hating on people.
 
I think it is perfectly acceptable to say whatever you want whenever you want to say it about whoever you want as long as you accept the fact that everyone else has the same freedom to speak that you do. If you feel the need to wish death on someone sick or spew out some venomous rant about someone who has just died and can't defend themselves, then you end up with ass cancer and are mocked for it or someone takes a nice piss on your mother's grave, your cries of outrage and ploys for sympathy might fall on deaf ears. What goes around..........etc

If you are OK with that, then by all means, rip them a new one. ;)
 
Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

certainly

Is it appropriate to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

a matter of individual discretion
 
Speaking ill of the dead and dying is just poor manners imo, and in reality, your opinion and my opinion of someone doesn't really matter at all.
 
It speaks bad for society as a whole when this type of question has to actually be asked.
 
Other. It is okay to speak ill of anyone, regardless of their medical status, whether it is done in a humorous manner, or whether or not they deserve it.

Slander or defamation is different. But there is nothing wrong with saying "I wish you were dead". There is no rule that you have to like everyone.
 
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