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Is it time to profile on airline flights?

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Navy Pride said:
I really don't have to answer to a draft dodger like you but I was paid combat pay for 33 months during the Viet Nam war........

13 months in country
2 10 months tours aboard the USS SACRAMENTO (AOE-1)...

Whether you believe it or not is not important to me...You probably were just a gleam in your fathers eye at the time anyhow.........

Everyone that was in the combat zone got hostile fire pay regardless of their rank or rate.........
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What years?
 
kansaswhig said:
OK, then, if he was a SEAL, as you claim, then why doesn't he say so? Let's just put this to rest.
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At ease, sir. I never said he was a SEAL.



Yes, we would hate it if we were Swiftboat N.P.

But I bet that you were in favor of the denegration of another Navy veteran's service...it happened in 2004, if you recall.
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Ain't it funny how they got that many people to tell the same lie, over and over again and not a single person has come forward, to date, to say that they were all lieing? Gotta be a first in modern American society.

BTW, that bet's a loser, too.
 
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Gibberish said:
What count are you looking at? The poll numbers are 15 for and 24 against. That is excluding all anonymous voting (which you as the poll creator should have disallowed).
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You can get actual names of people who voted if you click on the number.....The way you find out the actual count is to count the names....A lot of liberals like they do in the election try and vote 2 or 3 times..........You can weed them out this way........
 
Dirty Harry said:
What years?
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67-68 Cam Ranh Bay 13 monthe

69-71 20 months

Its true I was a E7 Storekeeper but believe it or not, they get killed to.........If you don't believe me check that wall in DC......5 of my best friends name are on it.......2 yeomans and 3 storekeepers......

Now believe what you want......Lets get back on topic here.......
 
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Hatuey said:
Draft dodger? I wasn't even alive in the 60s grandpa. And it has already been pointed out to you that 'combat pay' means nothing in regards to whether or not you were in actual combat.



This from the guy who has yet to address a single post on the topic ;)
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No wonder you don't know **** about it sonny.........Now go to your room.......:rofl
 
kansaswhig said:
OK, then, if he was a SEAL, as you claim, then why doesn't he say so? Let's just put this to rest.



Yes, we would hate it if we were Swiftboat N.P.

But I bet that you were in favor of the denegration of another Navy veteran's service...it happened in 2004, if you recall.



Uh, say what?
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God bless the swiftboat people and the Medal of Honor winners who stood with them against that traitor Kerry....
 
Navy Pride said:
No wonder you don't know **** about it sonny.........Now go to your room.......:rofl
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You do know your age just makes a target for insults regarding senility right? No. Senility is not a toilet paper brand old man. It's what happens when old people forget exactly what is going on or went on. You know. When they think they actually killed Vietnamese or served 'in country'? Then we find out that all they did was clean toilets on a ship and keep track of spare parts. ;)
 
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Hatuey said:
You do know your age just makes a target for insults regarding senility right? No. Senility is not a toilet paper brand old man. It's what happens when old people forget exactly what is going on or went on. You know. When they think they actually killed Vietnamese or served 'in country'? Then we find out that all they did was clean toilets on a ship and keep track of spare parts. ;)
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What was the bitching earlier about denegrating one's service? Bet we won't hear a peep outta their asses, now.

So, tell us Hatuey, what unit did you serve in?
 
Damn, it got quiet all of a sudden.
 
Navy Pride said:
You can get actual names of people who voted if you click on the number.....The way you find out the actual count is to count the names....A lot of liberals like they do in the election try and vote 2 or 3 times..........You can weed them out this way........
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That is why I eliminated all the anonymous votes and why I stated you, as the starter of this poll, should have disallowed anonymous voting.

Remove all the anonymous votes and No's are up 10 votes over Yes's.

I have to ask you NP, why are you so quick to trade in personal liberties for government security?
 
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Navy Pride said:
You can get actual names of people who voted if you click on the number.....The way you find out the actual count is to count the names....A lot of liberals like they do in the election try and vote 2 or 3 times..........You can weed them out this way........
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Then Liberals must be packing the "ballot box" with both "Yes" and "No" answers, because anonymous voters also voted yes.
 
apdst said:
What was the bitching earlier about denegrating one's service?
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You mean, you bitching about questioning somebody who has been shown to be inconsistent in their story? Yeah I remember you bitching. What about it?

Bet we won't hear a peep outta their asses, now.

So, tell us Hatuey, what unit did you serve in?
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I'm not the storekeeper claiming to be Rambo because they got 'combat pay' for keeping track of spare parts. It's almost as bad as claiming you served during war time when what you did was fly planes in Texas. It kind of shows a bit of intellectual dishonesty. But in the great Navy Pride, admiral of the 7 seas and all knowing old man of the world, what else is there to expect but intellectual dishonesty? And now he's found himself a little apd-atsy. Somebody to carry his water around while he walks like his knowledge of.....well nothing other than keeping track of parts on a ship - is enough for him to try and debate people who've done more with their minds than watch a few episodes of the O'Reilley report and read the latest Rush Limbaugh blog entry.

But here - I didn't serve any time - Now what? Show us you serving in the military make you right and I wrong. I bet you can't. Because it's called the fallacy from authority. Example. I've read around 40-50 books in my lifetime about art. That by definition means that regardless of what the argument is about concerning art, because I've read 50 books, I am automatically right and you should shut the **** up. However, as we know in the real world, that is not how things work. You make a statement that is found to be inconsistent by other people, you should at least have the intellectuality to back it up. In Navy's case I've come to the conclusion that he is some 18 year old asking his grandfather for information about when he served in war. His story simply has too many holes. Goes around talking like he's run the ship and then gets called on it. Says he got "combat pay" and says you can only get it if you've seen combat. This is called out and is stated to be false because you can indeed receive "combat pay"(which is actually imminent danger pay) without seeing actual combat.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/fy2009paycharts/a/combat.-uV_.htm

There is the list of combat zones around the world. Here is how it works. You spend a single day in a CZ(combat zone) and you get combat pay. You could have done nothing but cooked for 3-400 guys and you would get combat pay as long as you're in a CZ. And before you even go questioning where the source is from :

http://usmilitary.about.com/bio/Rod-Powers-6341.htm

Powers is a distinguished graduate of the Air Force NCO Academy, Senior NCO Academy, and the Air Force First Sergeant Academy. He has a degree in Personnel Administration from the Community College of the Air Force.
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Damn, it got quiet all of a sudden.
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Some of us give people more than 20 minutes to reply between posts.
 
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ADK_Forever said:
This question always reminds me of the movie The Fugitive. How long would it have taken to find his wife's killer if Dr. Richard Kimble didn't look first for "one armed" "men"?
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In that case, he knew that the one particular person who committed the crime was a one-armed man. It's just like this situation, except not at all.

Navy Pride said:
I am saying whatever it takes.............
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So let's withdraw all our troops from overseas and declare ourselves an Islamic caliphate. That will put an end to terrorism, right?
 
Hatuey said:
You mean, you bitching about questioning somebody who has been shown to be inconsistent in their story? Yeah I remember you bitching. What about it?
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I seem to remember some folks crying about and those same people are no where to be seen now. I certainly wonder what makes you any kind of authority on Navy's telling of his military experience, since you've never spent a day in uniform. I mean, it's obvious that whomever convinced you that there are inconsistencies in his story didn't know that SK idnetified something more than just a pencil pusher. That, in itself, is a huge inconsistency. Obviously an SK rate can cover many different jobs, unlike an 11M40MG-H, in the Army, which is very specific in MOS and function.



I'm not the storekeeper claiming to be Rambo because they got 'combat pay' for keeping track of spare parts. It's almost as bad as claiming you served during war time when what you did was fly planes in Texas.
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So, does that make his service irrelevant to other branches of arms and service and MOS's? Again, what unit did you serve in?

It kind of shows a bit of intellectual dishonesty. But in the great Navy Pride, admiral of the 7 seas and all knowing old man of the world, what else is there to expect but intellectual dishonesty? And now he's found himself a little apd-atsy. Somebody to carry his water around while he walks like his knowledge of.....well nothing other than keeping track of parts on a ship - is enough for him to try and debate people who've done more with their minds than watch a few episodes of the O'Reilley report and read the latest Rush Limbaugh blog entry.
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You have zero clue how any given branch operates, because you have zero time in service, so who are you to make that call?

But here - I didn't serve any time - Now what? Show us you serving in the military make you right and I wrong. I bet you can't. Because it's called the fallacy from authority. Example. I've read around 40-50 books in my lifetime about art. That by definition means that regardless of what the argument is about concerning art, because I've read 50 books, I am automatically right and you should shut the **** up.
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Well, in case you haven't noticed, we're not talking about art. We're talking about the armed services. If we were talking about art, I definitely wouldn't be prticipating in the thread, because I have as much knowledge about art as you do about the military. There's a lesson there for you. Think you can figure it out?

However, as we know in the real world, that is not how things work. You make a statement that is found to be inconsistent by other people, you should at least have the intellectuality to back it up.
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What you want him to do? Scan and post his DD214 for us all to see? Personally, I don't see any inconsistencies in his story. He said he was based in Cam Ranh Bay. I'm sure you're unaware that Navy PBR units and boat teams were based in Cam Ranh Bay. A unit's base and it's area of operations are two different things. Just a little education for you.

In Navy's case I've come to the conclusion that he is some 18 year old asking his grandfather for information about when he served in war. His story simply has too many holes. Goes around talking like he's run the ship and then gets called on it.
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I can't say enough, that this comment is coming from a man that knows jack **** about the services. If you did, you would already know that a ship's captain doesn't run the ship. Just like it's not the pilot's aircraft; it belongs to the crew chief that signed for it and is responsible for it's maintanance and combat readiness.


Says he got "combat pay" and says you can only get it if you've seen combat. This is called out and is stated to be false because you can indeed receive "combat pay"(which is actually imminent danger pay) without seeing actual combat.

Combat Zones and Immiment Danger Pay (Combat Pay)

There is the list of combat zones around the world. Here is how it works. You spend a single day in a CZ(combat zone) and you get combat pay. You could have done nothing but cooked for 3-400 guys and you would get combat pay as long as you're in a CZ. And before you even go questioning where the source is from :

Rod Powers
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So, at the end of the day, the only fallacy that you've seen is that he claimed that personel not serving in combat units didn't receive IDP. Am I right? Not a huge mistake for a serviceman who probably signed up for mud-n-blood duty because some silver tongue devil told him that he would receive IDP vs. hooking up with a cush gig that wasn't elligible for IDP. Now, you can better understand how I came to be in an MOS where I slid down a cheese grater, usingmy balls for breaks rather than going into some chilled out job series where I didn't have to dig the mud out of my ears every morning. Little did I know that IDP wasn't reinstated intil 1991, during Desert Storm.

Oh, BTW, if you haven't PCS'd(Permanent Change of Station)to, or you're not already on a deployment status with your PPS(Permanent Party Station) in a TO(theater of operation) where IDP is authorized, you're not elligible for IDP. Personel who are TDY(Temporary Duty Yonder) in an operational combat theater aren't elligible. So, spending a sinlge day in a TO doesn't qualify a service member for IDP. Just like jumping out of an aircraft doesn't qualify one for jump pay, or PDP(parachute Duty Pay). One has to be on jump status, in an operational parachute unit, to qualify for jump pay. Yeah...know the 101st Airborne? They don't get PDP. Sorry to burst your ignorant little bubble there.
 
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apdst said:
I seem to remember some folks crying about and those same people are no where to be seen now. I certainly wonder what makes you any kind of authority on Navy's telling of his military experience, since you've never spent a day in uniform. I mean, it's obvious that whomever convinced you that there are inconsistencies in his story didn't know that SK idnetified something more than just a pencil pusher. That, in itself, is a huge inconsistency. Obviously an SK rate can cover many different jobs, unlike an 11M40MG-H, in the Army, which is very specific in MOS and function.





So, does that make his service irrelevant to other branches of arms and service and MOS's? Again, what unit did you serve in?



You have zero clue how any given branch operates, because you have zero time in service, so who are you to make that call?



Well, in case you haven't noticed, we're not talking about art. We're talking about the armed services. If we were talking about art, I definitely wouldn't be prticipating in the thread, because I have as much knowledge about art as you do about the military. There's a lesson there for you. Think you can figure it out?



What you want him to do? Scan and post his DD214 for us all to see? Personally, I don't see any inconsistencies in his story. He said he was based in Cam Ranh Bay. I'm sure you're unaware that Navy PBR units and boat teams were based in Cam Ranh Bay. A unit's base and it's area of operations are two different things. Just a little education for you.



I can't say enough, that this comment is coming from a man that knows jack **** about the services. If you did, you would already know that a ship's captain doesn't run the ship. Just like it's not the pilot's aircraft; it belongs to the crew chief that signed for it and is responsible for it's maintanance and combat readiness.




So, at the end of the day, the only fallacy that you've seen is that he claimed that personel not serving in combat units didn't receive IDP. Am I right? Not a huge mistake for a serviceman who probably signed up for mud-n-blood duty because some silver tongue devil told him that he would receive IDP vs. hooking up with a cush gig that wasn't elligible for IDP. Now, you can better understand how I came to be in an MOS where I slid down a cheese grater, usingmy balls for breaks rather than going into some chilled out job series where I didn't have to dig the mud out of my ears every morning. Little did I know that IDP wasn't reinstated intil 1991, during Desert Storm.

Oh, BTW, if you haven't PCS'd(Permanent Change of Station)to, or you're not already on a deployment status with your PPS(Permanent Party Station) in a TO(theater of operation) where IDP is authorized, you're not elligible for IDP. Personel who are TDY(Temporary Duty Yonder) in an operational combat theater aren't elligible. So, spending a sinlge day in a TO doesn't qualify a service member for IDP. Just like jumping out of an aircraft doesn't qualify one for jump pay, or PDP(parachute Duty Pay). One has to be on jump status, in an operational parachute unit, to qualify for jump pay. Yeah...know the 101st Airborne? They don't get PDP. Sorry to burst your ignorant little bubble there.
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Don't waste your time my friend........He is not worth the argument......He is clueless about hostile fire or combat pay as it is called and who is eligible for it.. ..................I am not even sure he is and American citizen.....
 
apdst said:
I seem to remember some folks crying about and those same people are no where to be seen now.
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Well that is great for you. Now address what I said. But I have the suspicion that you'll just repeat yourself over and over again without actually saying anything.

I certainly wonder what makes you any kind of authority on Navy's telling of his military experience, since you've never spent a day in uniform.
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Okay stop right there. Because you obviously didn't read anything that has been said before. Navy himself has stated his duties on a ship and tried to inflate them. He was called on them by people who have spent more then a day in uniform and he didn't reply. That you're still trying to argue **** that you weren't around to even see just shows that you're just talking so that we can all see that you have something to say. Please stop? I will rip you apart for being the newb who stepped up to somebody who's been here for more than a couple of months.

I mean, it's obvious that whomever convinced you that there are inconsistencies in his story didn't know that SK idnetified something more than just a pencil pusher. That, in itself, is a huge inconsistency. Obviously an SK rate can cover many different jobs, unlike an 11M40MG-H, in the Army, which is very specific in MOS and function.
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And here we go again with apdst talking like something is obvious and he has any prior knowledge of the facts. No. Obviously, something is not obvious when a person refuses to clarify their own statements as Navy himself has whenever his telling of his story is asked to be clarified. Learn what words like inconsistency and obvious mean before you go using them. Remember sparky? That's what we're talking about?

So, does that make his service irrelevant to other branches of arms and service and MOS's? Again, what unit did you serve in?

You have zero clue how any given branch operates, because you have zero time in service, so who are you to make that call?

Well, in case you haven't noticed, we're not talking about art. We're talking about the armed services. If we were talking about art, I definitely wouldn't be prticipating in the thread, because I have as much knowledge about art as you do about the military. There's a lesson there for you. Think you can figure it out?
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Three paragraphs and you've yet to prove where anything I've said on Navy is wrong or even begin to address what is actually being said. What you've stated several times is 'I see no inconsistency' and 'you don't know what you're talking about'. That has been proven to be false. My statements do not stem from Navy's actual service but the particularities of them and how a lot of them have been called out as being gross exaggerations of facts.

Your second paragraph is a fallacy. Not serving in the military does not mean you have knowledge of how a branch operates. That is like saying that because you do not make paint yourself, you wouldn't know how to use it. It simply does not follow.

Your 3rd paragraph is a complete f'n lie as you have already introduced yourself into threads talking about socialism and then were found not to have a single f'n clue on what socialism actually was. Proving that you do in fact regularly talk about **** you're clueless about. Why don't you follow your own advice?

What you want him to do? Scan and post his DD214 for us all to see? Personally, I don't see any inconsistencies in his story. He said he was based in Cam Ranh Bay. I'm sure you're unaware that Navy PBR units and boat teams were based in Cam Ranh Bay. A unit's base and it's area of operations are two different things. Just a little education for you.
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Are you still typing just to type? You must be. Cause I keep seeing your repeat yourself over and over again without actually making a point. What did I say about Navy being stationed in Cam Ranh Bay? Anywhere? Please show me? I had to put the only sentence in that entire diatribe of a paragraph in bolded letters because it shows your inability to understand that Navy's story in the military is not something which can be seen off a single post. Navy has 20K posts, to understand what is being talked about you'd have to actually - oh I don't know - have been here to understand. But since you haven't. What use is your opinion?

Now personally, if I cared about what you thought, or knew? I'd drill a hole in the left side of my brain just so you and I could be on the same intellectual level. But since I have no intention of handicapping myself to the point where I am no longer able to comprehend what I am discussing, no thank you. Carrying on.

I can't say enough, that this comment is coming from a man that knows jack **** about the services. If you did, you would already know that a ship's captain doesn't run the ship. Just like it's not the pilot's aircraft; it belongs to the crew chief that signed for it and is responsible for it's maintanance and combat readiness.
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Are you out of your alcoholic mind? Seriously - WHERE did I say this? Listen - if you're not even going to read what is actually being said or comprehend the difference between intentional hyperbole and what you think is being said - you should REALLY stop typing. What I did state was that Navy has on many occasions talked like he was running a ship.

He's been called on it by people who just what people like him did in the military and Navy has ALWAYS to this day run away from the conversation. Why? Personally I don't know. But I've grown to the suspicion that he is so full of **** that if he started talking about what he actually did, he'd no longer be able to paint himself as somebody was really in the heat of it all as he usually does.

So, at the end of the day, the only fallacy that you've seen is that he claimed that personel not serving in combat units didn't receive IDP. Am I right? Not a huge mistake for a serviceman who probably signed up for mud-n-blood duty because some silver tongue devil told him that he would receive IDP vs. hooking up with a cush gig that wasn't elligible for IDP. Now, you can better understand how I came to be in an MOS where I slid down a cheese grater, usingmy balls for breaks rather than going into some chilled out job series where I didn't have to dig the mud out of my ears every morning. Little did I know that IDP wasn't reinstated intil 1991, during Desert Storm.

Oh, BTW, if you haven't PCS'd(Permanent Change of Station)to, or you're not already on a deployment status with your PPS(Permanent Party Station) in a TO(theater of operation) where IDP is authorized, you're not elligible for IDP. Personel who are TDY(Temporary Duty Yonder) in an operational combat theater aren't elligible. So, spending a sinlge day in a TO doesn't qualify a service member for IDP. Just like jumping out of an aircraft doesn't qualify one for jump pay, or PDP(parachute Duty Pay). One has to be on jump status, in an operational parachute unit, to qualify for jump pay. Yeah...know the 101st Airborne? They don't get PDP. Sorry to burst your ignorant little bubble there.
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No. If you actually knew how to follow a thread properly and had just an ounce of reading comprehension you would have understood that what has been called into question is some of Navy's claim not only regarding what he actually did in the service but some of the details in it.

That is not a fallacy. Please! Please! Please! LOOK UP the definition of words before you try to use them. That is called an observation regarding the events that have unfolded. Navy stated you could only get A if you did B. This was shown to be false. Then he stated people didn't know about it cause it was at point 1. That was also shown to be false. Considering you've yet to even read a single post on the matter, and I know you haven't because you've completely misunderstood the crux of the matter, why is it that you are still talking? Please explain it to us? I'd love to find out. Because the injection of your person into a topic which you seem to be completely clueless about, as usual, is kind of annoying.
 
Navy Pride said:
Don't waste your time my friend........He is not worth the argument......He is clueless about hostile fire or combat pay as it is called and who is eligible for it.. ..................I am not even sure he is and American citizen.....
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What are you? A birther now? Here - I'll do you a favour - you post your military records and I'll post my California, SM birth certificate. ;) Let's see who wins.
 
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Hatuey said:
What are you? A birther now? Here - I'll do you a favour - you post your military records and I'll post my California, SM birth certificate. ;) Let's see who wins.
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And just like that *poof* Navy is gone.
 
Navy Pride said:
Well we barely escaped another terrorist attack on a airline flight on Christmas day due the stupidity of the terrorist who tried to light off the device in his seat rather do it in the privacy of the bathroom.. Every time we ask this question in a poll the left is up in arms and the question is usually voted down, so again I ask the question....
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We already have profiling methods that could have prevented this individual from getting on the plane, we simply failed to use them properly.
 
Hatuey said:


Well that is great for you. Now address what I said. But I have the suspicion that you'll just repeat yourself over and over again without actually saying anything.



Okay stop right there. Because you obviously didn't read anything that has been said before. Navy himself has stated his duties on a ship and tried to inflate them. He was called on them by people who have spent more then a day in uniform and he didn't reply. That you're still trying to argue **** that you weren't around to even see just shows that you're just talking so that we can all see that you have something to say. Please stop? I will rip you apart for being the newb who stepped up to somebody who's been here for more than a couple of months.



And here we go again with apdst talking like something is obvious and he has any prior knowledge of the facts. No. Obviously, something is not obvious when a person refuses to clarify their own statements as Navy himself has whenever his telling of his story is asked to be clarified. Learn what words like inconsistency and obvious mean before you go using them. Remember sparky? That's what we're talking about?



Three paragraphs and you've yet to prove where anything I've said on Navy is wrong or even begin to address what is actually being said. What you've stated several times is 'I see no inconsistency' and 'you don't know what you're talking about'. That has been proven to be false. My statements do not stem from Navy's actual service but the particularities of them and how a lot of them have been called out as being gross exaggerations of facts.

Your second paragraph is a fallacy. Not serving in the military does not mean you have knowledge of how a branch operates. That is like saying that because you do not make paint yourself, you wouldn't know how to use it. It simply does not follow.

Your 3rd paragraph is a complete f'n lie as you have already introduced yourself into threads talking about socialism and then were found not to have a single f'n clue on what socialism actually was. Proving that you do in fact regularly talk about **** you're clueless about. Why don't you follow your own advice?



Are you still typing just to type? You must be. Cause I keep seeing your repeat yourself over and over again without actually making a point. What did I say about Navy being stationed in Cam Ranh Bay? Anywhere? Please show me? I had to put the only sentence in that entire diatribe of a paragraph in bolded letters because it shows your inability to understand that Navy's story in the military is not something which can be seen off a single post. Navy has 20K posts, to understand what is being talked about you'd have to actually - oh I don't know - have been here to understand. But since you haven't. What use is your opinion?

Now personally, if I cared about what you thought, or knew? I'd drill a hole in the left side of my brain just so you and I could be on the same intellectual level. But since I have no intention of handicapping myself to the point where I am no longer able to comprehend what I am discussing, no thank you. Carrying on.



Are you out of your alcoholic mind? Seriously - WHERE did I say this? Listen - if you're not even going to read what is actually being said or comprehend the difference between intentional hyperbole and what you think is being said - you should REALLY stop typing. What I did state was that Navy has on many occasions talked like he was running a ship.

He's been called on it by people who just what people like him did in the military and Navy has ALWAYS to this day run away from the conversation. Why? Personally I don't know. But I've grown to the suspicion that he is so full of **** that if he started talking about what he actually did, he'd no longer be able to paint himself as somebody was really in the heat of it all as he usually does.



No. If you actually knew how to follow a thread properly and had just an ounce of reading comprehension you would have understood that what has been called into question is some of Navy's claim not only regarding what he actually did in the service but some of the details in it.

That is not a fallacy. Please! Please! Please! LOOK UP the definition of words before you try to use them. That is called an observation regarding the events that have unfolded. Navy stated you could only get A if you did B. This was shown to be false. Then he stated people didn't know about it cause it was at point 1. That was also shown to be false. Considering you've yet to even read a single post on the matter, and I know you haven't because you've completely misunderstood the crux of the matter, why is it that you are still talking? Please explain it to us? I'd love to find out. Because the injection of your person into a topic which you seem to be completely clueless about, as usual, is kind of annoying.
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So, no retort. Just insults and double speak?

Whatta shocker!!!

Mega Fail!
 
EL AL have been doing it for years, if you go for the non kosher option you are shot!
 
Let’s just shut down the airlines and only allow domestic travel via walking.
 
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