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Is it time to profile on airline flights?

Is it time to profile on airline flights?

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Partisan said:
Exactly what rights are you giving up while being searched/questioned while trying to board a plane?.....:confused:
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The right to secure my person, property, and papers against unreasonable search and seizure.
 
Ikari said:
The right to secure my person, property, and papers against unreasonable search and seizure.
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That might be he case if it was YOUR plane. It's not it's the airline's plane. They have every right to request certain conditions be met prior to you using their property. Your rights end where theirs begins.
 
Phoenix said:
That might be he case if it was YOUR plane. It's not it's the airline's plane. They have every right to request certain conditions be met prior to you using their property. Your rights end where theirs begins.
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It's also not the government's plane. But they're doing the security. So long as they do the security, they are restricted in what they can and cannot do. I don't fly anymore because the rules are stupid, draconian, and ineffective. Hell I drove from CO to IL for Christmas to avoid the airport. It's pointless measures to try to make the stupid and fearful feel better. But as this case shows, nothing is going to stop a determined terrorist from getting on the plane with something which could blow it up. It's going to happen. While there are reasonable precautions to take, the current set up and rules go well beyond that. Only stupid people think that the degree to which the TSA goes is necessary and effective. And I for one don't think we should make policy and rules off of what stupid people think.
 
Partisan said:
You need to change your avatar if you don't what CCW stands for.....:lol:
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I always just thought it was Concealed Carry Permit. Never applied for a CCW.
He said it was unconstutional so I didn't catch it.
 
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Dirty Harry said:
I always just thought it was Concealed Carry Permit. Never applied for a CCW.
He said it was unconstutional so I didn't catch it.
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I personally believe that concealed weapon permits are unconstitutional because I have the right to keep and bear arms. Which means the base should be open and concealed weapons, I shouldn't have to ask the government's permission to exercise my rights.
 
Ikari said:
I personally believe that concealed weapon permits are unconstitutional because I have the right to keep and bear arms. Which means the base should be open and concealed weapons, I shouldn't have to ask the government's permission to exercise my rights.
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OK. Do you think everyone should be free to carry weapons, concealed or not wherever they go?

I could never understand why soldiers can not carry weapons on base.
 
Dirty Harry said:
OK. Do you think everyone should be free to carry weapons, concealed or not wherever they go?

I could never understand why soldiers can not carry weapons on base.
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People should be free to carry both open and concealed as they like less specifically prohibited by a property owner.
 
Arcana XV said:
They did nothing wrong.
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I didn't say they did something "wrong;" I said they did something STUPID.

Arcana XV said:
The guy was in possession of a valid US visa which gives him the right to purchase a one way ticket. I work in the business, plenty of people pay cash for their tickets, even first class passengers. It's not unheard of and it's not something that would raise any eyebrows in my business.
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How often do you travel overseas without luggage? :roll:

As for paying cash for a plane ticket - that should be outlawed as well. Credit cards only - at least there's some kind of paper trail to follow.
 
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Partisan said:
Or they are a convicted felon....;)
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Nope, I don't believe in that one either. I think once a person has fully completed the punishment as handed down by the courts including community service, parole, etc. that the full of their rights should once again be recognized. But this is a different topic, I don't want to really derail this one.
 
Ikari said:
It's also not the government's plane. But they're doing the security. So long as they do the security, they are restricted in what they can and cannot do. I don't fly anymore because the rules are stupid, draconian, and ineffective. Hell I drove from CO to IL for Christmas to avoid the airport. It's pointless measures to try to make the stupid and fearful feel better. But as this case shows, nothing is going to stop a determined terrorist from getting on the plane with something which could blow it up. It's going to happen. While there are reasonable precautions to take, the current set up and rules go well beyond that. Only stupid people think that the degree to which the TSA goes is necessary and effective. And I for one don't think we should make policy and rules off of what stupid people think.
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With this I do not disagree. My only poiint is that it's not violating your right to be secure in your person and property.
 
Glinda said:
I didn't say they did something "wrong;" I said they did something STUPID.



How often do you travel overseas without luggage? :roll:

As for paying cash for a plane ticket - that should be outlawed as well. Credit cards only - at least there's some kind of paper trail to follow.
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As I understand it, he didn't CHECK any luggage. This is a common practice among frequent travelers. Even international travelers.
 
Phoenix said:
With this I do not disagree. My only poiint is that it's not violating your right to be secure in your person and property.
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It is since it's the government doing it. Also, how much of my money goes to subsidize the airline industry? Lots (in the aggregated sense). Those are my planes now!
 
Ikari said:
Nope, I don't believe in that one either. I think once a person has fully completed the punishment as handed down by the courts including community service, parole, etc. that the full of their rights should once again be recognized. But this is a different topic, I don't want to really derail this one.
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So after the guy that shot the liquor store owner during a robbery served his sentence he should be allowed to carry weapons again?

You do know that our prison system does not rehabilitate cons, don't you.
Most cons are worse after they get out than before they went in.

Convicted felons should lose that right forever.
 
Dirty Harry said:
So after the guy that shot the liquor store owner during a robbery served his sentence he should be allowed to carry weapons again?

You do know that our prison system does not rehabilitate cons, don't you.
Most cons are worse after they get out than before they went in.

Convicted felons should lose that right forever.
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As I said, another topic. But if you want infinite punishment, it must be life in prison. Otherwise at some point an individual's rights must be recognized in full once again after the appropriate punishment has been served. It's a repercussion of freedom.
 
Ikari said:
As I said, another topic. But if you want infinite punishment, it must be life in prison. Otherwise at some point an individual's rights must be recognized in full once again after the appropriate punishment has been served. It's a repercussion of freedom.
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You are kidding, right?

You commit the crime, you forfeit your rights.

Do you beleve passengers should be allowed to carry guns on a plane?
 
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You're free to make a thread about that if you wish, but this thread is about airlines and security issues thereof.
 
RightinNYC said:
Profile WHO? Blacks, browns, muslims, people with scary names, people with turbans, swarthy foreigners, the Czechs, etc.?
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Muslems and Americans who have converted to Islam....As harsh as that seems for the safety of the 300 million Americans in this country we have to do it.......
 
Ikari said:
You're free to make a thread about that if you wish, but this thread is about airlines and security issues thereof.
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I asked you a question about airline security.

Should passengers be allowed to carry guns on airlines?
 
Navy Pride said:
Muslems and Americans who have converted to Islam....As harsh as that seems for the safety of the 300 million Americans in this country we have to do it.......
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How do you recognise that group?
 
Dirty Harry said:
I asked you a question about airline security.

Should passengers be allowed to carry guns on airlines?
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No, the question was about in general those being convicted of crimes being able to once again exercise the full of their rights. As for airlines, it should be up to the company.
 
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