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Is it time to profile on airline flights?

Is it time to profile on airline flights?


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Well we barely escaped another terrorist attack on a airline flight on Christmas day due the stupidity of the terrorist who tried to light off the device in his seat rather do it in the privacy of the bathroom.. Every time we ask this question in a poll the left is up in arms and the question is usually voted down, so again I ask the question....
 
Nope, no profiling---what if we hurt a Hijackers feelings??? Wanna buy a flower???:mrgreen:
 
It will prove futile. Even if you could, logistically, prevent unwanted from boarding an air plane, their goal is not to travel, but to destroy.
 
A person who is willing to tie dynamite to his chest, and kiss his Kids goodbye, has a motive for his actions. Ever wonder what makes him tick??? that may help understand the enemy. We must get to understand our enemy better than he does himself. Which is the first thing to do, before destroying him.
 
Well we barely escaped another terrorist attack on a airline flight on Christmas day due the stupidity of the terrorist who tried to light off the device in his seat rather do it in the privacy of the bathroom.. Every time we ask this question in a poll the left is up in arms and the question is usually voted down, so again I ask the question....

Well, first off what kind of profiling are you talking about? Racial/ethnic profiling, religious profiling, forensic profiling, offender profiling, etc. There's a lot of different kinds. I'm assuming you're discussing racial profiling, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Secondly, the biggest question is, does it actually work? I've read a couple different studies, but the general consensus seems to be that yes, it is effective to a degree, at least for certain crimes. One of those studies is linked below.

Racial Profiling Works!!!: Operations & Tactics at Officer.com

Finally, you have to consider the fact that it creates a very adversarial relationship between members of the groups being profiled against and the police/TSA/whoever. It also subjects a lot of innocent people to major disruptions in their travel plans for no other reason than they're members of a certain race, which is (perhaps arguably) against the 4th and 14th amendments.

Taking all that together, personally, I don't believe the benefits of profiling are worth the downsides it carries with it. If it were more effective, I might feel differently, but profiling isn't a magic bullet against terrorism, it's just one tool among many.
 
Well we barely escaped another terrorist attack on a airline flight on Christmas day due the stupidity of the terrorist who tried to light off the device in his seat rather do it in the privacy of the bathroom.. Every time we ask this question in a poll the left is up in arms and the question is usually voted down, so again I ask the question....

I'm in favor of profiling. It makes sense. It's stupid to waste time and resources searching a little old lady, or a woman traveling with her baby. Most terrorists are men, to start with. Suicidal terrorists are usually Middle Eastern men who aren't traveling with their families. Anti-government whites don't really hijack planes anymore, they would most likely do something like McVeigh did. They aren't generally suicidal.
 
A person who is willing to tie dynamite to his chest, and kiss his Kids goodbye, has a motive for his actions. Ever wonder what makes him tick??? that may help understand the enemy. We must get to understand our enemy better than he does himself. Which is the first thing to do, before destroying him.
It's not our responsibility to solve the problems of every suicidal person who comes along.

These men ARE suicidal in my opinion. Their feelings of despair are exploited by leaders who prey upon them in order to forward their cause and their own status within that movement.

It's not natural for any human being to not seek to preserve his or her own life unless something has gone awry. Most likely the subjects are depressed and might respond to pharmaceutical intervention. Some of them may may be more than depressed with more severe mental problems.
 
Why stop at airline flights? What makes airline unique. If you are going to engage in racial profiling then you should do it in all aspects of life.
Better yet, we could do what we did with the japanese in WWII and put all arab/Americans in internment camps. Wasn't that something that you were advocating just about a month ago, Navy?
 
I don't know why security is so lax on other forms of transport. Basically, I don't feel like there's much of a terrorist threat in the U.S.. I think it got totally overblown after 911 and exploited by Bush to further his own agenda.

Think of it. There are water systems and the electrical grid that are essentially wide open to whomever wants to disrupt them. There are dams here in the West that are totally vulnerable.

I just don't think there are that many terrorists. Not to say that we shouldn't be alert.
 
This is a good example of what is so sad about things like this. Flying is still one of the safer methods of travel, the chance of being a victim of terrorism are still remote, and yet we get all panicked every time anything happens(well, externally, terrorism aimed at abortion clinics never really bothered many). The truth is, no matter what we do, there will still be a risk, and terrorists will adjust their tactics based on what we do.

We should, obviously, learn from the mistakes that allow any attack to happen. In this case, I am not sure profiling would have helped, and of course, profiling by physical appearance is a lost cause, simply because as soon as we start doing it, terrorists will simply use people who don't fit the profile. Profiling based on actions is much more effective, and I am pretty sure we do at least some of that already.
 
It's not our responsibility to solve the problems of every suicidal person who comes along.

These men ARE suicidal in my opinion. Their feelings of despair are exploited by leaders who prey upon them in order to forward their cause and their own status within that movement.

It's not natural for any human being to not seek to preserve his or her own life unless something has gone awry. Most likely the subjects are depressed and might respond to pharmaceutical intervention. Some of them may may be more than depressed with more severe mental problems.

I don't think any one is suggesting that it's our responsibility to solve the problems of suicidal people, but learning motivations is a good step in learning how to identify those who are likely to cause problems.
 
I don't think any one is suggesting that it's our responsibility to solve the problems of suicidal people, but learning motivations is a good step in learning how to identify those who are likely to cause problems.

I'm sure that the government has psychological profilers and uses these techniques in investigating potential suspects. It would be interesting to find out more about this aspect of the 'war on terror'.
 
Profile WHO? Blacks, browns, muslims, people with scary names, people with turbans, swarthy foreigners, the Czechs, etc.?
 
Profile WHO? Blacks, browns, muslims, people with scary names, people with turbans, swarthy foreigners, the Czechs, etc.?

Probably a good place to start would be with men. They are most likely to hijack airplanes.

As far as me, I'm more nervous about the pilot having not had enough sleep or the mechanic having done a slipshod job.
 
Probably a good place to start would be with men. They are most likely to hijack airplanes.

As far as me, I'm more nervous about the pilot having not had enough sleep or the mechanic having done a slipshod job.

I wouldn't object to a policy that applied all of our current security procedures while also increasing the likelihood that men would be subjected to an additional search.
 
Looks like the terrorists won again. Some of you guys are just terrified.
 
Well, first off what kind of profiling are you talking about? Racial/ethnic profiling, religious profiling, forensic profiling, offender profiling, etc. There's a lot of different kinds. I'm assuming you're discussing racial profiling, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Secondly, the biggest question is, does it actually work? I've read a couple different studies, but the general consensus seems to be that yes, it is effective to a degree, at least for certain crimes. One of those studies is linked below.

Racial Profiling Works!!!: Operations & Tactics at Officer.com

Finally, you have to consider the fact that it creates a very adversarial relationship between members of the groups being profiled against and the police/TSA/whoever. It also subjects a lot of innocent people to major disruptions in their travel plans for no other reason than they're members of a certain race, which is (perhaps arguably) against the 4th and 14th amendments.

Taking all that together, personally, I don't believe the benefits of profiling are worth the downsides it carries with it. If it were more effective, I might feel differently, but profiling isn't a magic bullet against terrorism, it's just one tool among many.

That is and easy one......Who is committing all the terrorist attacks in the world? Its radical Islam and I would profile any Islamic person that boarded a plane.......I am sorry it has to come to this but we are fighting for our very existence here......The left won't even say the words Islamic Terrorists.....They want to call it a police problem.............I say bull ****...........
 
That is and easy one......Who is committing all the terrorist attacks in the world? Its radical Islam and I would profile any Islamic person that boarded a plane.......I am sorry it has to come to this but we are fighting for our very existence here......The left won't even say the words Islamic Terrorists.....They want to call it a police problem.............I say bull ****...........

A blanket policy like that would escalate tensions between Muslims and the West. Most Muslims aren't terrorists, you have to admit.
 
That is and easy one......Who is committing all the terrorist attacks in the world? Its radical Islam and I would profile any Islamic person that boarded a plane.......I am sorry it has to come to this but we are fighting for our very existence here......The left won't even say the words Islamic Terrorists.....They want to call it a police problem.............I say bull ****...........

Do be so scared. Don't let them win.
 
That is and easy one......Who is committing all the terrorist attacks in the world? Its radical Islam and I would profile any Islamic person that boarded a plane.......I am sorry it has to come to this but we are fighting for our very existence here......The left won't even say the words Islamic Terrorists.....They want to call it a police problem.............I say bull ****...........

All the terrorism in the world? Like the Oklahoma bombing? The abortion clinic bombings?
 
We can't profile Muslims efffectively because they come in all colours, so the solution is obvious...

All Muslims in the UK and the U.S. should be required to wear arm bands with the star and moon on them so that we know who the Muslims are at all times. Then we can search their belongings more effectively when they want to board aircraft.
 
We can't profile Muslims efffectively because they come in all colours, so the solution is obvious...

All Muslims in the UK and the U.S. should be required to wear arm bands with the star and moon on them so that we know who the Muslims are at all times. Then we can search their belongings more effectively when they want to board aircraft.

A tattoo would be more permanent, don't you think? ;)
 
Why stop at airline flights? What makes airline unique. If you are going to engage in racial profiling then you should do it in all aspects of life.
Better yet, we could do what we did with the japanese in WWII and put all arab/Americans in internment camps. Wasn't that something that you were advocating just about a month ago, Navy?

As usual you resort to your left wing talking points........Head buried in the sand, thinking if you ignore it that it will go away.....I don't know what its going to take to get through to you Liberals that this is a serious problem......As I said before God forbid its a nuclear cloud over La La land to get your attention........DD you seem like a sensible person and I can play your silly little games when it comes to Gay Marriage but that pales in the light of terror attacks............I would venture to say that jallman would even agree on this subject........
 
All the terrorism in the world? Like the Oklahoma bombing? The abortion clinic bombings?

For every abortion clinic bombing there are a 100 terrorist attacks.........but yes those people should feel the full brunt of the law and the two people in those tragic situations did....They are dead.........
 
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