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Is it time to profile on airline flights?

Is it time to profile on airline flights?


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Enough derailing. Everyone, this thread isn't about Navy's service, stop with the deep analysis. Here is not its place. Navy, stop throwing around your service to insult and diminish others. Get back on topic
 
We need to do profiling like El Al does it. The Israelis get it right.

What Israeli security could teach us - The Boston Globe

Sigh.

Israeli airport security, much of it invisible to the untrained eye, begins before passengers even enter the terminal. Officials constantly monitor behavior, alert to clues that may hint at danger: bulky clothing, say, or a nervous manner. Profilers -- that's what they're called -- make a point of interviewing travelers, sometimes at length. They probe, as one profiling supervisor told CBS, for ``anything out of the ordinary, anything that does not fit." Their questions can seem odd or intrusive, especially if your only previous experience with an airport interrogation was being asked whether you packed your bags yourself.

We HAVE these things now. They're Behavior Detection Officers. The TSA employees them. Their job? To watch the lines and other places at airports seeing if anything looks out of hte ordinary or if anything does not fit and questions and probes people that they think fit a certain profile of issues.

For the love of pete people can be stupid sometimes.

PROFILING is not bad. In general, Profiling is a useful tool. The problem is and why there is this kind of push back is because Religious/Ethnic blanket, broad, profiling is ineffective and dumb. Spending your time interrogating or checking a guy because he happens to be named Akhmed while and acting like that's so much more important than the white woman whose acting nervous, has a one way ticket, nad paid for cash, is idiotic. Interrogating and checking Every Single "muslim", "arab", "Middle easterner", "terroristy looking" person is ineffective and will simply take up far, far to much resources and time.

Not to mention attempting to compare our security to Israel is a bit of a misnomer. How airports of the top two classifications do they need to do security for? There's three just in the DC metro area.

"Profiling" as a general thing isn't bad, and is used. Broadscale Racial Profiling when you're focusing on a particular race leads to less concern about other warning signs on those outside of that profile, which is dangerous, and is also incredibly inefficient.
 
I still think the pork chop muslim detector technique is the solution. We can't just go by name, ethnicity, or country of orgin. It must be religious based profiling. Like they say with very few exceptions "Not all muslims are terrorist, but nearly all terrorists are muslim. And what is it that muslims fear most other than sexuality? Thats right, pork and muhammad cartoons.

We need a pork chop pedophile prophet muhammad cartoon muslim detector. Once we have the ability to identify who is muslim then we can run them through seperate security checks for a strip search/cavity search.
 
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We HAVE these things now. They're Behavior Detection Officers. The TSA employees them. Their job? To watch the lines and other places at airports seeing if anything looks out of hte ordinary or if anything does not fit and questions and probes people that they think fit a certain profile of issues.

For the love of pete people can be stupid sometimes.

PROFILING is not bad. In general, Profiling is a useful tool. The problem is and why there is this kind of push back is because Religious/Ethnic blanket, broad, profiling is ineffective and dumb. Spending your time interrogating or checking a guy because he happens to be named Akhmed while and acting like that's so much more important than the white woman whose acting nervous, has a one way ticket, nad paid for cash, is idiotic. Interrogating and checking Every Single "muslim", "arab", "Middle easterner", "terroristy looking" person is ineffective and will simply take up far, far to much resources and time.

Not to mention attempting to compare our security to Israel is a bit of a misnomer. How airports of the top two classifications do they need to do security for? There's three just in the DC metro area.

"Profiling" as a general thing isn't bad, and is used. Broadscale Racial Profiling when you're focusing on a particular race leads to less concern about other warning signs on those outside of that profile, which is dangerous, and is also incredibly inefficient.

This is exactly right. On its own, racial profiling is wasteful, not all that effective, and dangerous to people's civil rights. As part of a broader tactic of criminal/terrorist profiling, race is one useful thing to look at among many.
 
"Is it time to fix the corral gate, now that all the hoses are gone?"
 
We need a pork chop pedophile prophet muhammad cartoon muslim detector. Once we have the ability to identify who is muslim then we can run them through seperate security checks for a strip search/cavity search.

Fantastic! I just LOOVVEEEEEE unnecessary bigotry.

Thanks Sgt Rock, you've raised the bar on how to post on these forums like a neanderthal.
 
This thread could very easily be changed to read:

Should people be entitled to more/less rights based on their race/ethnicity?
Or
Is fear of terrorism a justified rationale to decrease an individuals rights based on race/ethnicity?
 
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Profiling can save your life, but you have to do it right, otherwise it can get you killed.
 
I'm beginning to think I may be a "Racist, bigoted, womanizer", with good hair. "Miss Manners" seem to be running the show. forget about safety and security, just be sure and wash yer hands first. ---Most troublesome.
 
Fantastic! I just LOOVVEEEEEE unnecessary bigotry.

Thanks Sgt Rock, you've raised the bar on how to post on these forums like a neanderthal.

Why is it bigoted to profile muslims? Who are we at war with? We are at war with Islamic terrorist. So we we should step up security at airports for non muslims? That is a waist of time, money and effort. I was not serious about the pork chop muslim detector. I am serious about the fact that not all muslims are terrorist but MOST terrorist are muslim. And we are at war with muslim terrorist.

We should profile muslims just like Israel does. IMO there should be a seperate line for muslims at the airport. It only makes sense.
 
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Bottom line is we live in a dangerous time.....In the past we needed not worry about attacks on our mainland.......9/11/01 changed all that.....We now can be attacked anytime, anywhere.....Yes that scares the hell out of me......I am Irish Italian.....If Irish Italian people were performing acts of terrorism against America and profiling them would cut them down I would say hell yes.........go for it......I believe any group or nationality should feel the same way.......Like I said earlier whatever it takes to keep this country that I love safe............
 
Why is it bigoted to profile muslims? Who are we at war with? We are at war with Islamic terrorist. So we we should step up security at airports for non muslims. That is a waist of time, money and effort. I was not serious about the pork chop muslim detector. I am serious about the fact that not all muslims are terrorist but MOST terrorist are muslim. And we are at war with muslim terrorist.

We should profile muslims just like Israel does. IMO there should be a seperate line for muslims at the airport. It only makes sense.
Spot on---good job.
 
You have to profile Muslims......With few exceptions they are the ones performing the terrorist attacks................If a black man commits nd act of terrorism you profile blacks, not whites..........Its only common sense..........

Also I like the example someone added if a man with one arm commits and act of terrorism you don't profile men with 2 arms............
 
This thread could very easily be changed to read:

Should people be entitled to more/less rights based on their race/ethnicity?
Or
Is fear of terrorism a justified rationale to decrease an individuals rights based on race/ethnicity? Yes, generally speaking. This may not be right, I know.. But there are just so many intelligent people to go around..

This is a capitol idea.
Those security men who come in close contact with the public must be very highly trained and possess above average intelligence.

Thru better education, this racism problem can be alleviated, this will take time..On the other side of the coin, the Islamics can do a lot to cure this problem, primary of which is to write a new Koran, replacing the old.
No more hatred.
 
Bottom line is we live in a dangerous time.....In the past we needed not worry about attacks on our mainland.......9/11/01 changed all that.....We now can be attacked anytime, anywhere.....Yes that scares the hell out of me......I am Irish Italian.....If Irish Italian people were performing acts of terrorism against America and profiling them would cut them down I would say hell yes.........go for it......I believe any group or nationality should feel the same way.......Like I said earlier whatever it takes to keep this country that I love safe............

Man, you need some counseling to get over your fears. I'm serious. Don't be a coward. You have nothing to fear, but fear itself. I have never encountered a veteran that was so afraid. Oh that's right, you were a supply clerk in the Navy.
 
You have to profile Muslims......With few exceptions they are the ones performing the terrorist attacks................If a black man commits nd act of terrorism you profile blacks, not whites..........Its only common sense..........

Also I like the example someone added if a man with one arm commits and act of terrorism you don't profile men with 2 arms............

The "profiling" experts should be the ones determining how this is done, no-one else.
Generally, using racism only serves to confuse, and is a tool of the ignorant.
 
Man, you need some counseling to get over your fears. I'm serious. Don't be a coward. You have nothing to fear, but fear itself. I have never encountered a veteran that was so afraid.

Don't come up with all those cliches........Its lefties like you who would be screaming that not enough was done to protect us if,God forbid, there was another terrorist attack on this country......
 
Why is it bigoted to profile muslims?

Miss the point much? I dare say his comment about bigotry had less to do simply with "profile muslims" and more to do with your ignorant, juvenile, pathetic attempt at humor through racial stereotyping:

I still think the pork chop muslim detector technique is the solution. We can't just go by name, ethnicity, or country of orgin. It must be religious based profiling. Like they say with very few exceptions "Not all muslims are terrorist, but nearly all terrorists are muslim. And what is it that muslims fear most other than sexuality? Thats right, pork and muhammad cartoons.

We need a pork chop pedophile prophet muhammad cartoon muslim detector. Once we have the ability to identify who is muslim then we can run them through seperate security checks for a strip search/cavity search.

Just like someone saying we need to put fried chicken, watermelon, and orange sodas into a cart and have a big bootied white woman to push it around as a means of african american detection would probably be called bigoted. Its because you made bigoted statements.

Bottom line is we live in a dangerous time

And its wonderful to know that dangerous time has caused you to **** on the constitution, **** on the founders, **** on conservatism, and become a liberal my big government friend.

Personally, I'd rather not defecate upon the very thing that makes this country great to try and save it. Its kind of like taking a sledge hammer to your car to make sure vandals won't key it.
 
The "profiling" experts should be the ones determining how this is done, no-one else.
Generally, using racism only serves to confuse, and is a tool of the ignorant.

Define profiling experts....:confused:
 
Man, you need some counseling to get over your fears. I'm serious. Don't be a coward. You have nothing to fear, but fear itself. I have never encountered a veteran that was so afraid. Oh that's right, you were a supply clerk in the Navy.
that seems a tad harsh to me---and I have no fear. ---well, midgets make me nervous. :mrgreen:
 
Don't come up with all those cliches........Its lefties like you who would be screaming that not enough was done to protect us if,God forbid, there was another terrorist attack on this country......

Its lefties like you Navy that would be screaming that Hussein the n-word muslim Obama personally actually planned the attack if, god forbid, there was another terrorist attack on this country.

See, once again Navy, I can make baseless accusations with no proof other than ignorant and idiotic assumptions based on your own biases and stereotypes too. Its fun!

Now tell me why what I just said above is any more or less true than what you just accused him of, or you accused me of before. I'd love to hear it.
 
that seems a tad harsh to me---and I have no fear. ---well, midgets make me nervous. :mrgreen:

It just makes me cringe to see a supposedly full grown man grovel like a baby.
 
Miss the point much? I dare say his comment about bigotry had less to do simply with "profile muslims" and more to do with your ignorant, juvenile, pathetic attempt at humor through racial stereotyping:



Just like someone saying we need to put fried chicken, watermelon, and orange sodas into a cart and have a big bootied white woman to push it around as a means of african american detection would probably be called bigoted. Its because you made bigoted statements.



And its wonderful to know that dangerous time has caused you to **** on the constitution, **** on the founders, **** on conservatism, and become a liberal my big government friend.

Personally, I'd rather not defecate upon the very thing that makes this country great to try and save it. Its kind of like taking a sledge hammer to your car to make sure vandals won't key it.

When the constitution was drafted I don't think the founding fathers took into consider the possibility of nuclear weapons desrroting this country and killing millions of people, do you? The constitution changes, that is why we have amendments......
 
Its lefties like you Navy that would be screaming that Hussein the n-word muslim Obama personally actually planned the attack if, god forbid, there was another terrorist attack on this country.

See, once again Navy, I can make baseless accusations with no proof other than ignorant and idiotic assumptions based on your own biases and stereotypes too. Its fun!

Now tell me why what I just said above is any more or less true than what you just accused him of, or you accused me of before. I'd love to hear it.

I am not the one that is blocking legislation that might help to prevent and act of terrorism on this country , its lefties like you that hide behind a false conservative label that are doing it........You and your leader Ron Paul who wants to take us back to a 1939 policy.......
 
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