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Should you or your family members be able to sell your organs post mortem?

Should a person or that person's family be able to sell their organs post mortem?

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Catz Part Deux said:
But, what if it were a fertility ritual that your belief system required?
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There's a difference between a priestess and a prostitute, and I don't recall that any such ritual required the priestess to have sex with strangers. It is a sacred thing, like ideally all sex should be.

rivrrat said:
Why don't you feel the same way about every profession? Such as... perhaps, the medical profession who perform services that are affirming and life-giving.
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Because being a doctor doesn't release bonding hormones in the brain, for starters. It is not an intrinsically intimate and personal act and performing medicine for money doesn't damage your ability to have healthy personal relationships.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Because being a doctor doesn't release bonding hormones in the brain, for starters. It is not an intrinsically intimate and personal act and performing medicine for money doesn't damage your ability to have healthy personal relationships.
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"bonding hormones"? That's what your argument comes down to? Oxytocin? Seriously? Did you know that those same hormones are released when you get a massage? Or hug? Should those things be reserved only for those who are married?

Methinks you need to read a bit more about these 'bonding hormones' before you go trying to base an entire argument on them.

And, saving someone's life isn't intimate and personal? I beg to differ. And the fact that I got paid to save someone's life didn't change how intimate and personal it was. Any POSITIVE relationship releases bonding hormones. Saving someone's life counts.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Not necessarily. Many were temple prostitutes, and they were there freely, not as slaves. It was considered a great honor as their bodies represented the goddess, and their work was considered sacred, because it ensured the fertility of the earth. It all depends on how we view sex...as something corrupting and inherently dirty and sinful, or something affirming and life-giving.

I would blame your view of sex as dirty and corrupting on the puritanistic version of Christianity that you espouse.
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If that's the case I've got something affirming and life-giving for ya right here.

BOOYAH!
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
With the supply of useable organs limited, should a person or that person's family be able to sell their organs after they have died?

Please answer with why or why not.
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I think you should be able to sell your organs whenever you want. As for your family, sure why not? Though maybe if we're treating it like some form of property, it would have to be willed down. "And to my daughter, I leave my lungs. They are good lungs, served me well. I'm sure you'll get top dollar for them...".
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Not necessarily. Many were temple prostitutes, and they were there freely, not as slaves. It was considered a great honor as their bodies represented the goddess, and their work was considered sacred, because it ensured the fertility of the earth. It all depends on how we view sex...as something corrupting and inherently dirty and sinful, or something affirming and life-giving.

I would blame your view of sex as dirty and corrupting on the puritanistic version of Christianity that you espouse.
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That could be, but I would also blame my view of the slavery prostitution brings to a people on the same thing.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Not necessarily. Many were temple prostitutes, and they were there freely, not as slaves. It was considered a great honor as their bodies represented the goddess, and their work was considered sacred, because it ensured the fertility of the earth. It all depends on how we view sex...as something corrupting and inherently dirty and sinful, or something affirming and life-giving.

I would blame your view of sex as dirty and corrupting on the puritanistic version of Christianity that you espouse.
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I take that as a personal insult:

1. We weren't speaking of sex per-se, but of prostitution.
2. Calling someone a puritan is an insult.
3. The only time I've discusses my personal religious views with you was in context of what is going on in my life. I feel that this flippant strawman is a personal attack on many levels.
4. We aren't even having a religious discussion in this thread on any level, so there is no religious argument from me here that you could point to for comparison.

I'm sorry I called you a friend.
 
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Jerry said:
I take that as a personal insult:

1. We weren't speaking of sex per-se, but of prostitution.
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If sex itself isn't 'dirty', then how does a piece of paper changing hands suddenly make it so?
 
rivrrat said:
If sex itself isn't 'dirty', then how does a piece of paper changing hands suddenly make it so?
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As I wasn't ever speaking on sex being dirty or clean, either way, in any form what-so-ever, I don't need to answer your question.

My anti-prostitution argument regards slavery and selling humans as slaves. This argument exists in parallel to my anti-organ selling argument regarding the kidnapping, murder and sale of humans for organs.
 
Jerry said:
As I wasn't ever speaking on sex being dirty or clean, either way, in any form what-so-ever, I don't need to answer your question.

My anti-prostitution argument regards slavery and selling humans as slaves. This argument exists in parallel to my anti-organ selling argument regarding the kidnapping, murder and sale of humans for organs.
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Arguing that something shouldn't be legal because a few people will do bad things that they already do isn't really much of an argument at all. You argue against slavery, something we all are against. That has nothing at all to do with what consenting adults do. You might as well say that we should make driving cars illegal since people use them to transport people they've kidnapped. Makes no damn sense.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
This is why donation should be mandatory. The dead have no use for their organs after they are dead. The dead have no rights, either. Make donation mandatory and supply goes way up.
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I vehemently disagree with this on religious grounds. When I am dead, I want all of me to be dead... I don't want my heart living on in so-and-so and my liver in someone else if I don't want it to.
 
rivrrat said:
Arguing that something shouldn't be legal because a few people will do bad things that they already do isn't really much of an argument at all. You argue against slavery, something we all are against. That has nothing at all to do with what consenting adults do. You might as well say that we should make driving cars illegal since people use them to transport people they've kidnapped. Makes no damn sense.
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Sex-slavery and human trafficking is the norm with regards to prostitution.

Nevada and the bunny farm, for example, is a rare exception, and even then there are serious problems.

Sweden is a typical example.
 
Jerry said:
I take that as a personal insult:

1. We weren't speaking of sex per-se, but of prostitution.
2. Calling someone a puritan is an insult.
3. The only time I've discusses my personal religious views with you was in context of what is going on in my life. I feel that this flippant strawman is a personal attack on many levels.
4. We aren't even having a religious discussion in this thread on any level, so there is no religious argument from me here that you could point to for comparison.

I'm sorry I called you a friend.
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Sorry, Jerry. I should have been more clear. Almost all of America's view on sex has to do with our puritan roots. I didn't mean it to be personally directed at you and your faith.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Sorry, Jerry. I should have been more clear. Almost all of America's view on sex has to do with our puritan roots. I didn't mean it to be personally directed at you and your faith.
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There's a very goddamn good reason why things like prostitution are prohibited in many religions. It's not as though some dudes in a desert just decided to write something down and the brainless masses followed because they didn't know any better. Even if religion were a part of this discussion, which it's not, I could still come back to the same data with modern proofs evidencing my argument.
 
Jerry said:
Sex-slavery and human trafficking is the norm with regards to prostitution.
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People couldn't "traffic" slaves if they didn't have a means to transport them. The fact that transportation is legal makes trafficking possible.

And LOL@it being 'the norm'.

Nevada and the bunny farm, for example, is a rare exception, and even then there are serious problems.
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How is it a rare exception when it's the only applicable one to the United States? In the US, it's the rule because there IS no other legal situation to adequately compare it to.
 
Jerry said:
There's a very goddamn good reason why things like prostitution are prohibited in many religions. It's not as though some dudes in a desert just decided to write something down and the brainless masses followed because they didn't know any better. Even if religion were a part of this discussion, which it's not, I could still come back to the same data with modern proofs evidencing my argument.
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You made the claim that it evolved in slavery, and that's simply not true. :shrug:
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
With the supply of useable organs limited, should a person or that person's family be able to sell their organs after they have died?

Please answer with why or why not.
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NO. organ recipients should be based on need and time on list, not on ability to purchase the organs.
 
Jerry said:
Sex-slavery and human trafficking is the norm with regards to prostitution.

Nevada and the bunny farm, for example, is a rare exception, and even then there are serious problems.

Sweden is a typical example.
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Don't need prostitution to be legal for that. Many places have big problems with human trafficking like England for sex trade. In fact, it being illegal only promotes this sort of incidents more. Legalized prostitution can prevent somewhat against this through government regulation, health and safety inspection, and unionization of the workforce.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Evidence? ...
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Jerry seems to think he knows all about what 'really goes on' with prostitution because he's read a few anti-prostitution articles. He is of the misled notion that drug addicted street walkers with abusive pimps forcing them to turn tricks is the majority of what prostitution consists of. He's of the mindset that if you're a prostitute, it can't *really* be a willing situation and you're a victim of... something. And, if you're a prostitute or a consumer of one, then you support sex slavery. I imagine it's much in the same way that some folks believe if you use drugs, you're supporting terrorism. /shrug
 
rivrrat said:
I imagine it's much in the same way that some folks believe if you use drugs, you're supporting terrorism. /shrug
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I guess it depends on the drug. Certainly, if you use some drugs, you're putting money into the pockets of the drug cartels in Mexico.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I guess it depends on the drug. Certainly, if you use some drugs, you're putting money into the pockets of the drug cartels in Mexico.
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But if drugs were legal, that wouldn't be an issue. ;) He feels differently.

Regardless, certainly... if you pay for a sex slave, I agree that you're supporting sex slavery.
 
rivrrat said:
In other words... no evidence. Just link after link after link after link with no sound response to any question asked. No explanations or defense of positions. Just... links. To things that prove nothing.
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There's a reason you lost that debate, and that post is a good example.

The prostitution angle is a tangent on this thread, so don't expect an in-depth discussion on prostitution here.
 
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