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Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

Was it correct to suspend this teacher for taking the students to "Hooters" restauran


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I believe what he's saying is that an irate parent, especially just ONE irate parent, who's mad over going to HOOTERS, should not be enough to SUSPEND a teacher.

A parent did not suspend a teacher, the school did. The parents of at least one kid complained that the teacher took their kid to Hooters without permission, which is a legitimate complaint. The school, based on the complaint and the nature of things(does taking kids somewhere without parental permission violate school rules? Does this teacher have a history of poor decision making? Who knows, but the school certainly has more details than us) made the decision to suspend the teacher.
 
A parent did not suspend a teacher, the school did. The parents of at least one kid complained that the teacher took their kid to Hooters without permission, which is a legitimate complaint. The school, based on the complaint and the nature of things(does taking kids somewhere without parental permission violate school rules? Does this teacher have a history of poor decision making? Who knows, but the school certainly has more details than us) made the decision to suspend the teacher.

I didn't say the parent did it. Do you really think me that stupid? I said "Enough to suspend a Teacher".
 
I didn't say the parent did it. Do you really think me that stupid? I said "Enough to suspend a Teacher".

Still making assumptions though. One parent, or set of parents, is not what got the teacher suspended. The school, based on the details(remember the ones I mentioned as possible? Can you think of more?) decided to suspend the teacher.
 
Still making assumptions though. One parent, or set of parents, is not what got the teacher suspended. The school, based on the details(remember the ones I mentioned as possible? Can you think of more?) decided to suspend the teacher.

What's the school's number? I'm going to call right now and get a statement....or at least leave a message...

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Got it. I'm sure someone will get back to me after the Holidays...

Paradise Valley High School
3950 E. Bell Road
Phoenix, AZ 85032
602-449-7000
602-449- 7005 fax

School Hours:
7:30 a.m. - 2 p.m.
 
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No, you are saying that parents should not be the one to make decisions about what is appropriate for their kids. If the school decides, the parents don't, and the school's decision is forced down the throats of parents. If the school informs parents, then the parents can make decisions for their individual children, which in no way forces the decision on every one.

No. I am saying that there are some decisions that parents should make and some that should be deferred to the schools. Can't you see how ridiculous it is the have the parents micromanage and make every decision there is to be made?

I understand and agree that there are some decisions that parents should make, but you have to be reasonable. Deciding every step that the school makes and every restaurant that a student eats in is not reasonable.
 
Still making assumptions though. One parent, or set of parents, is not what got the teacher suspended. The school, based on the details(remember the ones I mentioned as possible? Can you think of more?) decided to suspend the teacher.

Who's the one making assumptions. Two post above you say "the parents of at least one student".....we know that it wasn't "at least one student"....it was EXACTLY one student.:doh

Nice attempt to try to garner unwarranted extra support.
 
What about the uniform is demeaning? Its shorts and a tank top....give me a break. ITs not as if the women are walking around wearing G-strings and pasties.

:roll:

tight short shorts and and scanty tight tank top... yeah, professional, respectable women walk around dressed like this all the time. :lol:
 
It was blatantly ridiculous because it was sarcasm. See the part where I agree with you is ridiculous, that part. And only ugly bitches complain about women being demeaned, cause hot bitches get what they want with their bodies. :D Misogyny for the win, baby. Get back to the kitchen and make me a sammich!




Strippers wear demeaning uniforms...if any uniform at all.



It's the appeal to people to act like adults and not force their morality down the throats of others. But yeah, I guess that would be the Popular option...



There's a difference between a minority being wronged, and a minor party bitching. I still think these parents are hypocrites. I bet they let their child watch MTV and play M rated games. If I can find their info I'm going to call and ask them some questions and ask their son.

I am not one of these parents... not bitching, just expressing my view. I got the sarcasm, hence my laughter face thingy about you being on something. ;)
 
Your point? because there are more "demeaning" outfits, the Hooters outfits can't be? You do realize how stupid that argument is?

That has been my point since the beginning, but you stated it better.... thanks.

The argument is that parents should be the one to decide what is appropriate for their kids, instead of the schools deciding and forcing that decision down the throats of the kids.

Exactly...

You are speculating based on what you want to be true. You have zero evidence to back this up. I bet you are really a con sitting in prison playing with your computer there. I have as much evidence to support that claim as you have to support yours.

huh? :lol:
 
Yes...Redress you are right....parents should make every decision for the school.

Regarding what the school does with THEIR CHILD OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL? you're ****ing damn right they get to OK every decision that has to do with their child... if they don't want their kid going to the pool on a trip, the kid doesn't get to go, end of story.

What kind of parent would make such a doofy ass statement? :roll:
 
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I am not one of these parents... not bitching, just expressing my view. I got the sarcasm, hence my laughter face thingy about you being on something. ;)

Ahh ok, I thought you were laughing at me...THE SMILES! THEY TAUNT ME!
 
Ahh ok, I thought you were laughing at me...THE SMILES! THEY TAUNT ME!

No way... I am almost always laughing WITH the person until they become a jerk. You have a great sense of balance and openness here since you have joined, and I find that refreshing. Thanks... :2wave:
 
I believe what he's saying is that an irate parent, especially just ONE irate parent, who's mad over going to HOOTERS, should not be enough to SUSPEND a teacher.

I completely agree... hence my initial statement that the teacher should simply be warned and trained better regarding field trip procedures and protocols... we are/were trained and have to fill out many pages of paperwork, including parent permissions slips, agendas, individual students diets, medical issues, etc... it is not that big of a deal. those against this are the ones that don't get what responsibility and legalities is/are. :roll:
 
Still making assumptions though. One parent, or set of parents, is not what got the teacher suspended. The school, based on the details(remember the ones I mentioned as possible? Can you think of more?) decided to suspend the teacher.

And schools don't make that type of decision lightly, with the power of school unions down their throat, the aspect of being sued for blah blah... schools consult lawyers, and many districts have a legal expert or lawyer that they consult before making a decision. It's not like some principal just says, "one parent complained, I don't like the teacher anyway... hell, I am suspending you haha ha ha". :roll:

It is a big freaking deal in reality....
 
No. I am saying that there are some decisions that parents should make and some that should be deferred to the schools. Can't you see how ridiculous it is the have the parents micromanage and make every decision there is to be made?

I understand and agree that there are some decisions that parents should make, but you have to be reasonable. Deciding every step that the school makes and every restaurant that a student eats in is not reasonable.

The parent did not suspend the student. What power do you think that one or a couple of parents have anyway? I am sure that you can display at least one school that has EVER had parents micromanage and make EVERY DECISION that there is to be made... puh-leeze. :roll:
 
huh? Are you indicating that a teacher or coach that has a legal responsibility, in addition to a moral one regarding helping minors stay safe, should not have discretion? I can't seriously believe that I am hearing an adult indicate this...

Uh, no. I'm asking you whether or not school officials are given some discretion in the activities of their students.

Do coaches need to ask a parent's permission to do every little thing?
 
A family restaurant is friendly towards kids.

Or it's modeled after an authoritarian patriarchal social construct, depending on your perspective, that is.

That is what the term means, don't try and twist it. It can also mean casual dining or fixed prices or how seating plan is laid out too... As to the rest of that pure and utter crap regarding what I refer as a "family unit"? Don't make me laugh with that retarded ad hominem :lol:

Ad hom!? How am I insulting you?

I was just demonstrating the absurdity of being ultra-sensitive towards every fringe societal element.
 
Uh, no. I'm asking you whether or not school officials are given some discretion in the activities of their students.

Do coaches need to ask a parent's permission to do every little thing?

pretty much... yes. i always have. most teachers/coaches that I have known do. It is not that big of a deal, it is a legal responsibility, it is polite, it safeguards potential issues like nut allergies, etc. do they need to ask if they can drive in the fast lane... no. Do they need to ask to take students to Hooters? yes.
 
Or it's modeled after an authoritarian patriarchal social construct, depending on your perspective, that is.

A family, kid friendly restaurant is modeled after an authoritarian patriarchal social construct? WTF? Are you serious? Perhaps you can explain this theory then... I am listening. :)

Ad hom!? How am I insulting you?

With your description of how you apparently think that I view family structure, that's how. That was ridiculous. am I upset, no. Am I thinking WTF is with that? Yes... :lol:

I was just demonstrating the absurdity of being ultra-sensitive towards every fringe societal element.

I think that you use to many absolutes... unless you can demonstrate how I am being ultra-sensitive about anything, let alone this issue in particular.
 
Right :doh I'm forcing morality on anyone. I'm the one saying that the parents of ONE child who had an issue with it shouldn't be able to dictate to the school what is appropriate and what isn't.
Yes, Redress....we COULD allow parents to micromanage every decision that a school makes. Perhaps we should send lesson plans home every night to get approval from the parents for each class. We should send a school lunch menu home the week before, just in case a parent has a complaint that needs to be address. We should clear every song a band or choir sings with the parents beforehand so as not to offend anyone's sensibilities.
Yes...Redress you are right....parents should make every decision for the school.

In my town they send home school lunch menus a month in advance. Bet that makes you dizzy huh? :rofl
 
In my town they send home school lunch menus a month in advance. Bet that makes you dizzy huh? :rofl

Yeah I remember when they did that! When...I was in elementary school. And my when my sister was in elementary school.


Most schools I've been to recently or had friends attend, they posted the lunches online through the school newsletter.
 
No. I am saying that there are some decisions that parents should make and some that should be deferred to the schools. Can't you see how ridiculous it is the have the parents micromanage and make every decision there is to be made?

I understand and agree that there are some decisions that parents should make, but you have to be reasonable. Deciding every step that the school makes and every restaurant that a student eats in is not reasonable.

Asking for notification is not micromanaging the school. That is being given information to make a decision about your own children.
 
Yeah I remember when they did that! When...I was in elementary school. And my when my sister was in elementary school.


Most schools I've been to recently or had friends attend, they posted the lunches online through the school newsletter.

They still do it here and in my town? Can you believe they still do not post a lot of this stuff online? No menu, homework, lessonplans, etc. :roll: They do post school calendar, testing dates, contact info for teachers. But they are kinda behind in reguards to what info they put on the website.
 
Asking for notification is not micromanaging the school. That is being given information to make a decision about your own children.

That is all it is... information about what is happening to your child. Easy as that.
 
In my town they send home school lunch menus a month in advance. Bet that makes you dizzy huh? :rofl

Not at all...the fact that they do is fine. However, you would mandate that a school HAD to do that just in case a parent wants to complain?
Should schools have teachers send home school plans nightly so as to not offend a parent with hyper-sensitive sensibilities?
 
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