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Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

Was it correct to suspend this teacher for taking the students to "Hooters" restauran

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Yes, exactly - it's the revealing skin tight form fitting high riding bust enhancing outfits that really set it appart from Applebees.
And the food - the food at Hooters is aweful but then again, I am a master in the kitchen and don't like dining out for that fact. :p

If they were just a restaurant with a quirky name then they'd just be wearing regular clothes - but they have this whole 'package' of perception that they maintain with their magazine and bikini contests, etc etc.
They want the attention, they want to define theirselves that way, and that's what they get. . . why deny it? They are what they are.

It's not horrible - but it's just inappropriate for an teacher/student mealtime location, kwim?

It's just that simple to me.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Yes, exactly - it's the revealing skin tight form fitting high riding bust enhancing outfits that really set it appart from Applebees.
And the food - the food at Hooters is aweful but then again, I am a master in the kitchen and don't like dining out for that fact. :p

If they were just a restaurant with a quirky name then they'd just be wearing regular clothes - but they have this whole 'package' of perception that they maintain with their magazine and bikini contests, etc etc.
They want the attention, they want to define theirselves that way, and that's what they get. . . why deny it? They are what they are.

It's not horrible - but it's just inappropriate for an teacher/student mealtime location, kwim?

It's just that simple to me.
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I'm not denying it...I just don't believe it is inappropriate. Our society has decided they are an "all age" establishment and therefore it is appropriate for all ages.
There's nothing inappropriate for a teacher/student mealtime location.


If parents are really THAT concerned about allowing their kids to eat at a restuarant that is open to the public and accessible to all ages....then they have bigger issues than the school should be required to accommodate. (AND again...it was ONE Parent.....who had an issue...out of all the parents involved. WHY should the school be required to cater to their whims and sensibilities?)

Its just that simple to me.
 
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disneydude said:
I'm not denying it...I just don't believe it is inappropriate. Our society has decided they are an "all age" establishment and therefore it is appropriate for all ages.
There's nothing inappropriate for a teacher/student mealtime location.
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As a parent - I disagree.
My local beach is for all ages but I won't be taking my kids to the Marina during Spring Break.

If parents are really THAT concerned about allowing their kids to eat at a restuarant that is open to the public and accessible to all ages....
then they have bigger issues than the school should be required to accommodate.
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Absolutely - I have bigger issues than Hooters itself. :2razz:

(AND again...it was ONE Parent.....who had an issue...out of all the parents involved. WHY should the school be required to cater to their whims and sensibilities?)

Its just that simple to me.
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I think that perhaps her suspension was a bit much because of the objection of *one* parent - I feel that it would have been acceptable only if more than one were in agreement on the issue.

That we do agree on.
 
disneydude said:
I'm not denying it...I just don't believe it is inappropriate. Our society has decided they are an "all age" establishment and therefore it is appropriate for all ages.
There's nothing inappropriate for a teacher/student mealtime location.


If parents are really THAT concerned about allowing their kids to eat at a restuarant that is open to the public and accessible to all ages....then they have bigger issues than the school should be required to accommodate. (AND again...it was ONE Parent.....who had an issue...out of all the parents involved. WHY should the school be required to cater to their whims and sensibilities?)

Its just that simple to me.
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Where are you getting that society has decided it's an "all age" establishment? Per the link earlier in this thread Hooters own website said it's not a family restaurant (which would be all ages) and that only 10% of the parties served include children.
Only one parent complained but as others have pointed out there were probably others who didn't like it, either. I might not complain about it if it happened to a child of mine but I certainly wouldn't like it.

I agree with the others in this thread who say the teacher showed poor judgement, but that her punishment was too harsh. It wasn't that big of a deal but I'd expect a teacher to know better.
 
Ethereal said:
So, a teacher - more specifically a coach - is given some discretion as to where they can take their kids?
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huh? Are you indicating that a teacher or coach that has a legal responsibility, in addition to a moral one regarding helping minors stay safe, should not have discretion? I can't seriously believe that I am hearing an adult indicate this...
 
disneydude said:
A high school teacher took her male choir to "Hooters" restaurant after performing Christmas carols. As a result she was suspended.

What do you think? Should this teacher have been suspended for this?

Here is the article: Paradise Valley High School teacher who took students to Hooters in Phoenix is put on leave


Personally, I think it is ridiculous. "Hooters" is not a strip club. It is a restaurant, not reallly different from Chili's or TGI Fridays and I doubt the teacher would have been suspended for that.

The reality is....the parents of ONE boy complained.
Which raises a bigger question....should the parents of one child dictate what is "appropriate" for everyone else?
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The only problem/issue I see with this is whether or not parents signed a permission form for the choir to attend dinner after their caroling. If not, then yes she should be suspended, but not because they went to Hooters to eat. Dumb. :doh
 
Tucker Case said:
These kids were in High school. They could easily have gone to hooters on their own, and probably have in most cases.

I know I did when I was in high school.
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yep... they sure could and probably have. High school kids also drive recklessly, have sex at age 11 and 12, eat too much junk food, chips and candy, MacDonalds, etc... too much soda and not enough water, watch extremely violent movies, talk disrespectfully to adults (that didn't use to happen nearly as much as now), etc etc etc...

I draw lines.

Many don't...

...and that is a shame.
 
I suppose if where they were eating were such an issue as a parent myself, I would have asked WHERE they were going to eat before I gave my permission for my child to participate.

IF a parent signed the permission slip and did NOT make this inquiry.. then who is the one lacking responsibility here?

Totally different story if there were no permission slips issued for this and/or the dining place were changed from what was originally given.
 
Frodly said:
My high school football coach used to take us to hooters!! He thought hooters was like a 5 star restaurant!! :lol: So my answer would be absolutely no!! Though I do wish my high school football coach had been suspended for other reasons, notably because he was a completely **** coach.
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hmm, can't argue about 5 stars but there is always great up front presentations and that is the bottom line
 
Ethereal said:
Also, I would take offense if someone took my child to a "family restaurant". I do not recognize the tyrannical patriarchal social construct your refer to as the "family unit".
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A family restaurant is friendly towards kids. That is what the term means, don't try and twist it. It can also mean casual dining or fixed prices or how seating plan is laid out too... As to the rest of that pure and utter crap regarding what I refer as a "family unit"? Don't make me laugh with that retarded ad hominem :lol:
 
disneydude said:
I'm not denying it...I just don't believe it is inappropriate. Our society has decided they are an "all age" establishment and therefore it is appropriate for all ages.
There's nothing inappropriate for a teacher/student mealtime location.
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but many of us feel that it should NOT be an "all age" establishment...
 
disneydude said:
There is so much wrong with your post...I don't even know where to start.

First of all...Most people don't go to Hooters to look at "T and A". If that is what people wanted...they could go to a strip club to see a lot more and get a free buffet while they were at it.

Second....so it would be completely fine with you for the kids to go on their own...yet, if the teacher goes....all of a sudden your pants get all cinched up.

Third....there is no "moral compass" to check. Seriously....I cannot understand the mindset of those who are all worked up over this. This is an all age restaurant....not a 21 and over club....and we are talking high school kids, not eight year olds.

I have to believe that the vast majority of the people complaining, have no clue what a Hooters restaurant is....
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Give me a break. The reason Hooters is so popular is because of the T&A Factor and you can try to deny it all you want but that does not change the reason behind their success. :roll:
 
EpicDude86 said:
Then don't take your kids.
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I won't. Especially since both my kids are girls, Hooters demeans women to a large degree IMO. Point is though, your comment has nothing to do with the topic. I have been there a few times. Women can do whatever they want, and my girls can once they are older than they are now, but boys are a different issue here ...
 
Bodhisattva said:
I won't. Especially since both my kids are girls, Hooters demeans women to a large degree IMO. Point is though, your comment has nothing to do with the topic. I have been there a few times. Women can do whatever they want, and my girls can once they are older than they are now, but boys are a different issue here ...
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Yeah how dare they force those women to work there and they don't tell them they're wearing a demeaning uniform either! And the point is that we don't need people (especially minorities, in this case 1 kid's parents) to cause a ruckus over what they believe when no harm was done. I bet these same parents complaining buy their kid M rated games and watch MTV. People are such hypocrites, especially when there's drama and media coverage to be had.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Yeah how dare they force those women to work there and they don't tell them they're wearing a demeaning uniform either! And the point is that we don't need people (especially minorities, in this case 1 kid's parents) to cause a ruckus over what they believe when no harm was done. I bet these same parents complaining buy their kid M rated games and watch MTV. People are such hypocrites, especially when there's drama and media coverage to be had.
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What are you on? :lol:

Who is talking about forcing them... these girls get the job if and when they WANT to apply or not.
They are wearing a demeaning uniform, but it is not as bad as some... so?
And the point is that you and many others here are falling into the logical fallacy of Appeal to Popularity...
you are seeing a minority or one complain and then just say, what is their deal we all think that it is fine... when it may well not be. ;)
 
Bodhisattva said:
What are you on? :lol:

Who is talking about forcing them... these girls get the job if and when they WANT to apply or not.
They are wearing a demeaning uniform, but it is not as bad as some... so?
And the point is that you and many others here are falling into the logical fallacy of Appeal to Popularity...
you are seeing a minority or one complain and then just say, what is their deal we all think that it is fine... when it may well not be. ;)
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What about the uniform is demeaning? Its shorts and a tank top....give me a break. ITs not as if the women are walking around wearing G-strings and pasties.

:roll:
 
Bodhisattva said:
What are you on? :lol:

Who is talking about forcing them... these girls get the job if and when they WANT to apply or not.
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It was blatantly ridiculous because it was sarcasm. See the part where I agree with you is ridiculous, that part. And only ugly bitches complain about women being demeaned, cause hot bitches get what they want with their bodies. :D Misogyny for the win, baby. Get back to the kitchen and make me a sammich!


Bodhisattva said:
They are wearing a demeaning uniform, but it is not as bad as some... so?
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Strippers wear demeaning uniforms...if any uniform at all.

Bodhisattva said:
And the point is that you and many others here are falling into the logical fallacy of Appeal to Popularity...
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It's the appeal to people to act like adults and not force their morality down the throats of others. But yeah, I guess that would be the Popular option...

Bodhisattva said:
you are seeing a minority or one complain and then just say, what is their deal we all think that it is fine... when it may well not be. ;)
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There's a difference between a minority being wronged, and a minor party bitching. I still think these parents are hypocrites. I bet they let their child watch MTV and play M rated games. If I can find their info I'm going to call and ask them some questions and ask their son.
 
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EpicDude86 said:
Strippers wear demeaning uniforms...if any uniform at all.
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Your point? because there are more "demeaning" outfits, the Hooters outfits can't be? You do realize how stupid that argument is?



It's the appeal to people to act like adults and not force their morality down the throats of others. But yeah, I guess that would be the Popular option...
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And no one is trying to force their morality on anyone here except Disney and a few like him. The argument is that parents should be the one to decide what is appropriate for their kids, instead of the schools deciding and forcing that decision down the throats of the kids.



There's a difference between a minority being wronged, and a minor party bitching. I still think these parents are hypocrites. I bet they let their child watch MTV and play M rated games. If I can find their info I'm going to call and ask them some questions and ask their son.
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You are speculating based on what you want to be true. You have zero evidence to back this up. I bet you are really a con sitting in prison playing with your computer there. I have as much evidence to support that claim as you have to support yours.
 
Kali said:
Give me a break. The reason Hooters is so popular is because of the T&A Factor and you can try to deny it all you want but that does not change the reason behind their success. :roll:
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yup!! fronts and bottoms sell wings and salsa
 
Redress said:
Your point? because there are more "demeaning" outfits, the Hooters outfits can't be? You do realize how stupid that argument is?
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I'm doing what many others fail to do, putting things into perspective. Things don't look so bad from where I'm sitting.


Redress said:
You are speculating based on what you want to be true. You have zero evidence to back this up. I bet you are really a con sitting in prison playing with your computer there. I have as much evidence to support that claim as you have to support yours.
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Which is why I said "I THINK" and proposed a method to solve that mystery.
You're awful persnickety tonight, even for you.
 
Redress said:
And no one is trying to force their morality on anyone here except Disney and a few like him. The argument is that parents should be the one to decide what is appropriate for their kids, instead of the schools deciding and forcing that decision down the throats of the kids.
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Right :doh I'm forcing morality on anyone. I'm the one saying that the parents of ONE child who had an issue with it shouldn't be able to dictate to the school what is appropriate and what isn't.
Yes, Redress....we COULD allow parents to micromanage every decision that a school makes. Perhaps we should send lesson plans home every night to get approval from the parents for each class. We should send a school lunch menu home the week before, just in case a parent has a complaint that needs to be address. We should clear every song a band or choir sings with the parents beforehand so as not to offend anyone's sensibilities.
Yes...Redress you are right....parents should make every decision for the school.
 
disneydude said:
Right :doh I'm forcing morality on anyone. I'm the one saying that the parents of ONE child who had an issue with it shouldn't be able to dictate to the school what is appropriate and what isn't.
Yes, Redress....we COULD allow parents to micromanage every decision that a school makes. Perhaps we should send lesson plans home every night to get approval from the parents for each class. We should send a school lunch menu home the week before, just in case a parent has a complaint that needs to be address. We should clear every song a band or choir sings with the parents beforehand so as not to offend anyone's sensibilities.
Yes...Redress you are right....parents should make every decision for the school.
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No, you are saying that parents should not be the one to make decisions about what is appropriate for their kids. If the school decides, the parents don't, and the school's decision is forced down the throats of parents. If the school informs parents, then the parents can make decisions for their individual children, which in no way forces the decision on every one.
 
Redress said:
No, you are saying that parents should not be the one to make decisions about what is appropriate for their kids. If the school decides, the parents don't, and the school's decision is forced down the throats of parents. If the school informs parents, then the parents can make decisions for their individual children, which in no way forces the decision on every one.
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Yup, exactly so.


And, Disney .... lunch menus ARE sent home ahead of time here.
 
Redress said:
No, you are saying that parents should not be the one to make decisions about what is appropriate for their kids. If the school decides, the parents don't, and the school's decision is forced down the throats of parents. If the school informs parents, then the parents can make decisions for their individual children, which in no way forces the decision on every one.
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I believe what he's saying is that an irate parent, especially just ONE irate parent, who's mad over going to HOOTERS, should not be enough to SUSPEND a teacher.
 
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