Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

Ethereal said:

So, it would be okay if the teacher had taken the boys to a "family restaurant"?

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yes... of which Hooters is not. My coaches took us out all the time and from what I recall, parents were always informed of that fact, but not of the particular restaurant, it was no big deal. Today, teachers have to give out consent froms for parents regarding every part of a trip, in most cases...

Bodhisattva said:

You said that they wanted to go, and that indicates that this reason is why the teacher took them. The problem is, that this negates the very real and very necessary role of parent and teacher responsibility for decision making for minors and those in their care.

Hooters is not a normal restaurant... until you accept this, there is no reason to discuss anything further. Hooters used to make national headlines for various reasons regarding the role of woman and their clothing... deal with it.

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These kids were in High school. They could easily have gone to hooters on their own, and probably have in most cases.

I know I did when I was in high school.

Bodhisattva said:

yes... of which Hooters is not. My coaches took us out all the time and from what I recall, parents were always informed of that fact, but not of the particular restaurant, it was no big deal. Today, teachers have to give out consent froms for parents regarding every part of a trip, in most cases...

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So, a teacher - more specifically a coach - is given some discretion as to where they can take their kids?

Bodhisattva said:

yes... of which Hooters is not. My coaches took us out all the time and from what I recall, parents were always informed of that fact, but not of the particular restaurant, it was no big deal. Today, teachers have to give out consent froms for parents regarding every part of a trip, in most cases...

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Also, I would take offense if someone took my child to a "family restaurant". I do not recognize the tyrannical patriarchal social construct your refer to as the "family unit".

There is going to be a certain level of disconnect with cheerleaders. Not denying that. However, think of it this way. We can argue back and forth on the specific degree of sexuality and exposure to sexuality in society, however, that is completely sidestepping the real issue which is the ability of an instructor to know precisely what is going to be a sore spot, a moment of controversy for school-related actions. In my opinion, it is far more obvious that people are going to be offended at taking students to Hooters than the school football game. Is it selective? Certainly. Should the teacher have known better to not push the envelope? Damn right.

Does it matter to stick to one's guns and point out hypocrisy? Only if you are a dumbass teacher who wants to annoy people with argumentative blabbering and in turn get your ass burned at the end of the day.

Picking one's battles applies to those who choose to support the actions of the instructor as well. Know your limitations as an instructor, and act accordingly.

After this entire thread I have one question to ask....

Disney, what Applebee's or TGI Friday's do you go to that has ALL female waitresses, in booty shorts, and tight fitting clevage revealing shirts....

cause you know, Jack Daniels Sauce glaze rocks and if I can get the eye candy + the good food, I'd call that a winner

Seriously, its not a strip club the the notion that its "no different" as TGI fridays or something is a bit ridiculous as well. Its like saying a PG-13 movie is "No different" than a PG one. Sure, its not rated R, but its not exactly on the same level as those things below it either.

This was poor judgement on the teachers part, over reaction on a parents part, and extreme over reaction on the part of the school. At most perhaps an official warning to the teacher should've been given. In reality, the teacher should've apologized to the offended parent and simply been told "hey, use some common sense next time"

Zyphlin said:

After this entire thread I have one question to ask....

Disney, what Applebee's or TGI Friday's do you go to that has ALL female waitresses, in booty shorts, and tight fitting clevage revealing shirts....

cause you know, Jack Daniels Sauce glaze rocks and if I can get the eye candy + the good food, I'd call that a winner

Seriously, its not a strip club the the notion that its "no different" as TGI fridays or something is a bit ridiculous as well. Its like saying a PG-13 movie is "No different" than a PG one. Sure, its not rated R, but its not exactly on the same level as those things below it either.

This was poor judgement on the teachers part, over reaction on a parents part, and extreme over reaction on the part of the school. At most perhaps an official warning to the teacher should've been given. In reality, the teacher should've apologized to the offended parent and simply been told "hey, use some common sense next time"

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I don't believe that I said that they are EXACTLY the same thing....but they ARE essentially the same thing.
At its core, "Hooters" is much more like TGI Fridays than it is "Bare Elegance".
Anyone who has actually been to a Hooters restaurant will tell you that they are first and foremost a restaurant. The ones that I have been to in LA don't even have much of a bar seating area....say like a TGI Fridays or a Chili's...the bar is more incorporated within the feel of the restaurant, so I guess in that sense, it is slightly different in that a Chili's/TGI Fridays is more of a Bar/Grill Restaurant with a bar, Hooters is like a Bar and Grill Restaurant.
Yes....the uniforms are different, but its not exactly like the servers are walking around in lingerie (or less)...and they aren't engaging in sexual behavior. The dozen or so times I've been, the servers have been very professional. Friendly, but not flaunting sexuality.
I remember when the Hooters opened up in Utah...you would have thought that they were opening up a strip club next to an elementary school.
The fact is, Back East/South where most of the restaurants are located, people understand the myth and recognize Hooters for what they are.....out West here, people have serious misconceptions and perpetuate the myth.
The Hooters chain doesn't try to dispel the myth because...hey....it is good for business.

disneydude said:

I don't believe that I said that they are EXACTLY the same thing....but they ARE essentially the same thing.

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My apologizes. Lets go with what you said

disneydude said:

It is a restaurant, not reallly different from Chili's or TGI Fridays and I doubt the teacher would have been suspended for that.

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disneydude said:

No. Hooters is a family restaurant....like a chili's or Applebees. The only difference is that the waitresses wear shorts and are generally (but not always) bigger chested than the average female.

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disneydude said:

Sorry Jack....but Hooters is no different that Applebees, Chilis, etc.

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Your words. No different/no different save for shorts

I've been to a hooters (and I live in the south). Its not my place of choice, but I have nothing inherently wrong with it. However, saying that Hooters is "essentially" the same thing as TGI Fridays or Applebee's is like saying those places are “essentially” the same as a mom and pop restaurant because they both sell burgers and fries.

Hooters has more in common imho with a standard “sports bar” than most family restaurants honestly. You’re right, they generally don’t have a giant “bar” area, because pitchers of beer are common throughout the restaurant. How often do you see tables with entire PITCHERS of alcohol at their tables at a Fridays or an Applebees? I can’t think of a time I’ve seen it. I can’t think of a time I’ve been in a hooters where I haven’t seen such at multiple tables.

How many restaurants such as Fridays or Applebee’s sell calendars of scantily clad women specifically pushing them as something enticing to the eyes? Not ever that I can think of, but such is easily for sell at hooters. Do they stylize the entire restaurant and numerous pieces of apparel around a word meant to be a play on words for beasts, such as buttons going “Hooters make me happy”? Do they have such promotion style, specifically focusing on the looks of their waitresses, such as “Hot Chicks, Great Tix” that was going on at some point recently with hooters? More so, do places like Fridays and Applebee’s limit themselves only to female waitresses?

This is all on top of what I already pointed out in regards to the dress code that their servers wear.

Is hooters a strip club? No

Is hooters essentially no different than Fridays or Applebee’s? No

Hooters is as far from TGI Fridays as it is from a Strip Club. Its somewhere in the middle of those two things. And you can’t sit here and say that its essentially a Fridays while saying its completely different than a strip club. It markets itself, in large part, by sex appeal. Its theme, for a large part, is sex appeal. Its image, for a large part, is sex appeal. That has FAR more in common with a strip club than it has to do with Fridays. When I think Fridays my first thought isn’t “scantily clad women, generally big breasted, serving me”. That is the common thought for hooters.

Also, how is it that you decide this is a “family” restaurant? What constitutes a “family” restaurant to you? Does it need to be marketed towards kids of families? Because the majority of Hooter’s advertisement isn’t towards that. Is it that it’s got kid friendly themes? That’d be arguable here? Does it just have to have a “kids menu”? Cause if that case I know in Virginia, where you’re required by law to sell food even as a bar, a number of smokey, booze heavy, down home bars that even have specials for “kids”. Does that suddenly make THEM a “family restaurant” as well magically?

You’re defeating your own point by trying to over exaggerate the issue, thus showing your point to be poor and your ability to articulate it to be poor. Hooters IS significantly different than Fridays or Chili’s. Its also significantly different than a strip club. By trying to state the second point by denying the first hurts your case. Hooters is a restaurant that found that sex sells, but more to the point that tackiness and titillation can sell better in the mainstream and become more profitable on large scale then attempting to go over the top with it. Hooters marketing is focused around sex appeal, its theme revolves around it, but rather doing it in an incredibly seductive or even overly perverted way it goes for an tacky almost cartoony version of it. Almost a parody of itself. Its got good niche, a niche other restaurants have tried to jump into (check the web for the Heart Attack Grill I believe, which used naughty nurse outfits for its waitresses). It is definitely a restaurant, but a family restaurant and “no different” than Chili’s save for some “shorts” (which even just calling them “shorts” doesn’t exactly do them correct justice) it is not. If you’re going to compare it to anything I’d honestly say it compares more to a sports bar, with a side of sex appeal.

At the same time, this isn’t something that is going to scar any high school children or confuse them about sex or anything like this. The booty shorts these girls wear are something they’d likely at least seen somewhere at some times, at the very least if they’ve EVER been to a pool in their life. The cleavage, again, probably would’ve been seen on at least some of the girls around their school or on TV. Its not like they’re seeing things they never said. However, much like taking a group of kids to a random bar, I generally would agree its not the smartest place for a teacher to take kids to if you use any common sense. I think the response is WAYYYY over the top and way more than is needed, but I don’t think its fair to say its “no different” than if she had just taken them to an applebee’s.

Zyphlin said:

My apologizes. Lets go with what you said







Your words. No different/no different save for shorts

I've been to a hooters (and I live in the south). Its not my place of choice, but I have nothing inherently wrong with it. However, saying that Hooters is "essentially" the same thing as TGI Fridays or Applebee's is like saying those places are “essentially” the same as a mom and pop restaurant because they both sell burgers and fries.

Hooters has more in common imho with a standard “sports bar” than most family restaurants honestly. You’re right, they generally don’t have a giant “bar” area, because pitchers of beer are common throughout the restaurant. How often do you see tables with entire PITCHERS of alcohol at their tables at a Fridays or an Applebees? I can’t think of a time I’ve seen it. I can’t think of a time I’ve been in a hooters where I haven’t seen such at multiple tables.

How many restaurants such as Fridays or Applebee’s sell calendars of scantily clad women specifically pushing them as something enticing to the eyes? Not ever that I can think of, but such is easily for sell at hooters. Do they stylize the entire restaurant and numerous pieces of apparel around a word meant to be a play on words for beasts, such as buttons going “Hooters make me happy”? Do they have such promotion style, specifically focusing on the looks of their waitresses, such as “Hot Chicks, Great Tix” that was going on at some point recently with hooters? More so, do places like Fridays and Applebee’s limit themselves only to female waitresses?

This is all on top of what I already pointed out in regards to the dress code that their servers wear.

Is hooters a strip club? No

Is hooters essentially no different than Fridays or Applebee’s? No

Hooters is as far from TGI Fridays as it is from a Strip Club. Its somewhere in the middle of those two things. And you can’t sit here and say that its essentially a Fridays while saying its completely different than a strip club. It markets itself, in large part, by sex appeal. Its theme, for a large part, is sex appeal. Its image, for a large part, is sex appeal. That has FAR more in common with a strip club than it has to do with Fridays. When I think Fridays my first thought isn’t “scantily clad women, generally big breasted, serving me”. That is the common thought for hooters.

Also, how is it that you decide this is a “family” restaurant? What constitutes a “family” restaurant to you? Does it need to be marketed towards kids of families? Because the majority of Hooter’s advertisement isn’t towards that. Is it that it’s got kid friendly themes? That’d be arguable here? Does it just have to have a “kids menu”? Cause if that case I know in Virginia, where you’re required by law to sell food even as a bar, a number of smokey, booze heavy, down home bars that even have specials for “kids”. Does that suddenly make THEM a “family restaurant” as well magically?

You’re defeating your own point by trying to over exaggerate the issue, thus showing your point to be poor and your ability to articulate it to be poor. Hooters IS significantly different than Fridays or Chili’s. Its also significantly different than a strip club. By trying to state the second point by denying the first hurts your case. Hooters is a restaurant that found that sex sells, but more to the point that tackiness and titillation can sell better in the mainstream and become more profitable on large scale then attempting to go over the top with it. Hooters marketing is focused around sex appeal, its theme revolves around it, but rather doing it in an incredibly seductive or even overly perverted way it goes for an tacky almost cartoony version of it. Almost a parody of itself. Its got good niche, a niche other restaurants have tried to jump into (check the web for the Heart Attack Grill I believe, which used naughty nurse outfits for its waitresses). It is definitely a restaurant, but a family restaurant and “no different” than Chili’s save for some “shorts” (which even just calling them “shorts” doesn’t exactly do them correct justice) it is not. If you’re going to compare it to anything I’d honestly say it compares more to a sports bar, with a side of sex appeal.

At the same time, this isn’t something that is going to scar any high school children or confuse them about sex or anything like this. The booty shorts these girls wear are something they’d likely at least seen somewhere at some times, at the very least if they’ve EVER been to a pool in their life. The cleavage, again, probably would’ve been seen on at least some of the girls around their school or on TV. Its not like they’re seeing things they never said. However, much like taking a group of kids to a random bar, I generally would agree its not the smartest place for a teacher to take kids to if you use any common sense. I think the response is WAYYYY over the top and way more than is needed, but I don’t think its fair to say its “no different” than if she had just taken them to an applebee’s.

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You make some good points.

However, I would disagree that Hooters is as far away from a TGI-Fridays as it is from a strip club.

There are many "family" restaurants that have a bar/grill feel. Hell...you can go into a "Shakey's" and see pitchers of beer on many of the tables.

I don't know if you've been to a "Yankee Doodles" or if they are much of a chain. We have a few of them here in Los Angeles.
These are bar/grill type establishments, but you have to be 21 to get in.
I guess that is where I would differentiate that type of place from a "Hooters" that is an all-age establishment.

If the teacher were taking the kids to a place that had an age-restriction, I think that would be violating the expectations. But taking kids to an establishment that serves alcohol, but is open to all segments of the population should not get people up in arms.

I guess where I would draw the line is that as long as the teacher is taking the kids to a place that they otherwise would legally be allowed to be in at any time on their own, then I don't believe that authorization should be required.

I wonder if these parents would object to females in bathing suits at a public pool outing?

Or could it be that food + females equals inappropriate?

More likely that the name of the resteraunt is the key. If it was called owlhouse and featured all the same outfits it wouldn't have the same impact.

Shewter said:

I wonder if these parents would object to females in bathing suits at a public pool outing?

Or could it be that food + females equals inappropriate?

More likely that the name of the resteraunt is the key. If it was called owlhouse and featured all the same outfits it wouldn't have the same impact.

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I wonder if the people saying there is no difference between Hooters and TGI Fridays would think it was appropriate for Female teachers to wear bathing suits to classes. Or could it actually be that attire isn't worn in a vacume IT HAS A CONTEXT

Dezaad said:

I wonder if the people saying there is no difference between Hooters and TGI Fridays would think it was appropriate for Female teachers to wear bathing suits to classes. Or could it actually be that attire isn't worn in a vacume IT HAS A CONTEXT

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Oh so the context matters? And what might the difference be? The food is the only difference here. Have you ever been to a hooters establishment?

Shewter said:

Oh so the context matters? And what might the difference be? The food is the only difference here. Have you ever been to a hooters establishment?

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The food is the only difference between what two scenarios? WTF are you talking about!?

I am comparing the context of Teachers dressing in a revealing manner and beach goers dressing in a revealing manner. In one place it is accepted by almost everyone and in the other place it rejected by almost everyone.

As for pretty women dressing in a revealing manner in the context of a restaurant where they will be waiting on mostly men... that is a context somewhere between the beach and the classroom as far as appropriateness of revealing clothing.

Most restaurants have decided that dignity, decorum and general professionalism is the appropriate clothing for the restaurant context. Not Hooters. Their choice is inappropriate. Their choice is marketed as being different from other restaurants, and is marketed largely to certain kind of adult male. Their inappropriate choice appeals to those men (and clearly to quite a number of teen boys).

Dezaad said:

The food is the only difference between what two scenarios? WTF are you talking about!?

I am comparing the context of Teachers dressing in a revealing manner and beach goers dressing in a revealing manner. In one place it is accepted by almost everyone and in the other place it rejected by almost everyone.

As for pretty women dressing in a revealing manner in the context of a restaurant where they will be waiting on mostly men... that is a context somewhere between the beach and the classroom as far as appropriateness of revealing clothing.

Most restaurants have decided that dignity, decorum and general professionalism is the appropriate clothing for the restaurant context. Not Hooters. Their choice is inappropriate. Their choice is marketed as being different from other restaurants, and is marketed largely to certain kind of adult male. Their inappropriate choice appeals to those men (and clearly to quite a number of teen boys).

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no way would we expect to see young women in such revealing outfits on a high school campus

no way that would ever be possible

justabubba said:

no way would we expect to see young women in such revealing outfits on a high school campus

no way that would ever be possible

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Yes or No: Do you think it is appropriate for a high school teacher to dress as you have shown above here while teaching class?

If you say Yes, I don't believe you. If you say No, then you are admitting that different types of clothing have different contexts.

As to your photo being a high school context, I don't really know. In any case, she is a cheerleader doing cheerleading stuff at a football game. That is the context of her attire. It is appropriate for her context, more or less. It is quite different than having a big busted woman in a tight t-shirt leaning over your face to deliver your hot wings and clearing your plate away when you are finished.

What is so hard about this?

justabubba said:

no way would we expect to see young women in such revealing outfits on a high school campus

no way that would ever be possible

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That doesn't look like a high school campus...or a high schooler for that matter. :lol:

Dezaad said:

Yes or No: Do you think it is appropriate for a high school teacher to dress as you have shown above here while teaching class?

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When I went to school I often wished I had a high school teacher who could pull that outfit off.

Dezaad said:

Yes or No: Do you think it is appropriate for a high school teacher to dress as you have shown above here while teaching class?

If you say Yes, I don't believe you. If you say No, then you are admitting that different types of clothing have different contexts.

As to your photo being a high school context, I don't really know. In any case, she is a cheerleader doing cheerleading stuff at a football game. That is the context of her attire. It is appropriate for her context, more or less. It is quite different than having a big busted woman in a tight t-shirt leaning over your face to deliver your hot wings and clearing your plate away when you are finished.

What is so hard about this?

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I understand and agree to some extent with what you are saying about context. Where we may disagree is that I don't believe there is anything inappropriate with the context in which the waitresses at Hooters are dressed. The outfits are not THAT revealing.
I enjoy going to Hooters because I think the atmosphere is fun. I don't go there to Gawk at the women or lust over them. I go there because I enjoy the laid back atmosphere, I enjoy the friendly and fun personality that the wait staff portray...and I enjoy the food. I would have no problem taking my family there.

EpicDude86 said:

That doesn't look like a high school campus...or a high schooler for that matter. :lol:

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memorial stadium
independence high school

justabubba said:

memorial stadium
independence high school

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The one in Charlotte, NC? hmmm Yeah I can see that.

disneydude said:

A high school teacher took her male choir to "Hooters" restaurant after performing Christmas carols. As a result she was suspended.

What do you think? Should this teacher have been suspended for this?

Here is the article: Paradise Valley High School teacher who took students to Hooters in Phoenix is put on leave


Personally, I think it is ridiculous. "Hooters" is not a strip club. It is a restaurant, not reallly different from Chili's or TGI Fridays and I doubt the teacher would have been suspended for that.

The reality is....the parents of ONE boy complained.
Which raises a bigger question....should the parents of one child dictate what is "appropriate" for everyone else?

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True, it's a restaurant centered around boobs and butts - it's like soft porn VS fetish. . . . not even in the same boat let alone the same river.

However - I'd be royally pissed, too, if my kids were taken by a teacher to such a place and her head would roll straight into my lap.

I don't believe it's a teacher's place to be the one to expose a child to anything that might be questionable to anyone - brings her moral compass into check. You just don't go and take someone else's kids to a hooter's restaurant to look at TnA. That's not a supervising adult's job.

If the guys were just by themselves and went - then no harm no foul - if they wanted to go and were the ones to come up with the idea nad approached her over it, again, no harm no foul. . . But for the teacher to think that it was a good idea and to take the guys not considering the parent's issue, eh - she needs to keep herself in check.

Teachers are not friends and shouldn't encroach on that wrelm.

Nothing particularly wrong with Hooters - it's just an issue of Teacher ethics and in this day and age we don't need more muddling of the lines.

disneydude said:

I understand and agree to some extent with what you are saying about context. Where we may disagree is that I don't believe there is anything inappropriate with the context in which the waitresses at Hooters are dressed. The outfits are not THAT revealing.
I enjoy going to Hooters because I think the atmosphere is fun. I don't go there to Gawk at the women or lust over them. I go there because I enjoy the laid back atmosphere, I enjoy the friendly and fun personality that the wait staff portray...and I enjoy the food. I would have no problem taking my family there.

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As I have stated previously, I wouldn't have a problem with taking a group of high school boys there, either, except for one thing: Schools must be sensitive to community standards, whether I personally agree with them or not. I am sure there was more than one parent who felt this way. I am sure of this, not because I feel this way, but because I know many parents who would, and I respect their thinking on the matter, even though I don't agree.

As for your reasons for going there, I am fairly certain that you are in the minority among men.

It wasn't like there weren't other places to go.

Aunt Spiker said:

True, it's a restaurant centered around boobs and butts - it's like soft porn VS fetish. . . . not even in the same boat let alone the same river.

However - I'd be royally pissed, too, if my kids were taken by a teacher to such a place and her head would roll straight into my lap.

I don't believe it's a teacher's place to be the one to expose a child to anything that might be questionable to anyone - brings her moral compass into check. You just don't go and take someone else's kids to a hooter's restaurant to look at TnA. That's not a supervising adult's job.

If the guys were just by themselves and went - then no harm no foul - if they wanted to go and were the ones to come up with the idea nad approached her over it, again, no harm no foul. . . But for the teacher to think that it was a good idea and to take the guys not considering the parent's issue, eh - she needs to keep herself in check.

Teachers are not friends and shouldn't encroach on that wrelm.

Nothing particularly wrong with Hooters - it's just an issue of Teacher ethics and in this day and age we don't need more muddling of the lines.

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There is so much wrong with your post...I don't even know where to start.

First of all...Most people don't go to Hooters to look at "T and A". If that is what people wanted...they could go to a strip club to see a lot more and get a free buffet while they were at it.

Second....so it would be completely fine with you for the kids to go on their own...yet, if the teacher goes....all of a sudden your pants get all cinched up.

Third....there is no "moral compass" to check. Seriously....I cannot understand the mindset of those who are all worked up over this. This is an all age restaurant....not a 21 and over club....and we are talking high school kids, not eight year olds.

I have to believe that the vast majority of the people complaining, have no clue what a Hooters restaurant is....

disneydude said:

There is so much wrong with your post...I don't even know where to start.

First of all...Most people don't go to Hooters to look at "T and A". If that is what people wanted...they could go to a strip club to see a lot more and get a free buffet while they were at it.

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Yeah, right - and everyone reads playboy just for the stellar articles. MM HMM. A lot of people go there because htey like the women and the overall atmosphere - in the same way French Maids are a booming business.
People like to look at it while they eat in a relaxed and unsexually charged atmosphere - I think people are stupid when they claim otherwise.

When there are rules and regulations regarding the attire and overall physical appearance of the hoppers then that *does* play a part in why (not all, sure) but most go there.

Second....so it would be completely fine with you for the kids to go on their own...yet, if the teacher goes....all of a sudden your pants get all cinched up.

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Yeah, there's a strongly defined line of "teacher / student" relationship VS "friend / friend" or "parent / child" relationship.
I don't find it acceptable for teachers to cross that line.

I'd be just as bothered if my kid's teacher showed up at their summer Bday party at the beach in a bikini. . . there for the waves, but you have to mind whose watching.

I'm surprised most people don't see it that way.

Third....there is no "moral compass" to check. Seriously....I cannot understand the mindset of those who are all worked up over this. This is an all age restaurant....not a 21 and over club....and we are talking high school kids, not eight year olds.

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Sure there is - a teacher is willing to cross a line that she has no right to cross. I consider that a serious issue. . . what other lines is the teacher crossing and why are they being crossed?
It's just like President Obama smooching Hilary Clinton on the lips - WTF? There's a line -> _____ that says 'Do not cross me.'

Whether someone doesn't mind or not doesn't matter - the lines are there and every teacher is educated as to what those are. They have to take classes and attend meetings that address sexual harassment and what is an appropriate or inappropriate relationship to have with a student.

Her head rolled a bit - she's an idiot if she didn't see a complaint coming.

I have to believe that the vast majority of the people complaining, have no clue what a Hooters restaurant is....

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I've been to Hooters - the food is good - and the waitresses are all impecably pretty and well kept . . . hardly a "traditional" restaurant vibe and atmosphere. . . their apearance and attire are an intricate part of "what" they are.

Sure -they're not raunchy or slutty, but inappropriate for a teacher to take her students to (male or female).

Aunt Spiker said:

:mrgreen:
Yeah, right - and everyone reads playboy just for the stellar articles. MM HMM. A lot of people go there because htey like the women and the overall atmosphere - in the same way French Maids are a booming business.
People like to look at it while they eat in a relaxed and unsexually charged atmosphere - I think people are stupid when they claim otherwise.

When there are rules and regulations regarding the attire and overall physical appearance of the hoppers then that *does* play a part in why (not all, sure) but most go there.



Yeah, there's a strongly defined line of "teacher / student" relationship VS "friend / friend" or "parent / child" relationship.
I don't find it acceptable for teachers to cross that line.

I'd be just as bothered if my kid's teacher showed up at their summer Bday party at the beach in a bikini. . . there for the waves, but you have to mind whose watching.

I'm surprised most people don't see it that way.



Sure there is - a teacher is willing to cross a line that she has no right to cross. I consider that a serious issue. . . what other lines is the teacher crossing and why are they being crossed?
It's just like President Obama smooching Hilary Clinton on the lips - WTF? There's a line -> _____ that says 'Do not cross me.'

Whether someone doesn't mind or not doesn't matter - the lines are there and every teacher is educated as to what those are. They have to take classes and attend meetings that address sexual harassment and what is an appropriate or inappropriate relationship to have with a student.

Her head rolled a bit - she's an idiot if she didn't see a complaint coming.



I've been to Hooters - the food is good - and the waitresses are all impecably pretty and well kept . . . hardly a "traditional" restaurant vibe and atmosphere. . . their apearance and attire are an intricate part of "what" they are.

Sure -they're not raunchy or slutty, but inappropriate for a teacher to take her students to (male or female).

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I understand your points and have to give you props for at least supporting your points with more than the selective outrage that most have been posting over the last couple of days.

However, I do disagree. You could make the same argument about being a "friend" with the teacher going with the students to ANY restaurant. If you really want a hard and fast line then you would never have the teacher dining with the kids.
THAT not being realistic...I really cannot see how a teacher eating with kids at Applebees or Hooters is that much different.
Its not as if the Hooter waitresses are doing pole dances and strip teases.
If they were...that might be a different story...
The only thing that REALLY differentiates a Hooters from an Applebees is the uniform...and all things being equal...the Hooters uniform is not that revealing.
I would say a PG-13 at Best.