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Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

Was it correct to suspend this teacher for taking the students to "Hooters" restauran


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I was in high school 40 years ago, graduated in 1970. I did much worse also, on my own. The school did not aid or abet me in the decisions, and they were correct then, and they are correct now to suspend the teacher.

What students choose to do on their own is just that, their own. The school's responsibility is to promote wholesome environments for the kids. Hooters is not it, as the restaurant admits is main concept is "sex appeal". The fact that some teens go there in no way makes it a good decision for the school, as you and I both admit as teens we made choices that were worse than those the school would have made. The school should not have supported our poor decisions then, nor should it today. The day the school administrators start letting the students set the policies of wholesome behavior, they are doomed. Can't have it, the kids are not old enough to make good decisions all the time, as you and I admit we didn't make good decisions all the time.

Can we really compare 1970's High School and Societal Norms and Taboos with this situation. A lot has changed in 40 years. But then again one could say a lot hasn't changed as well.
 
Can we really compare 1970's High School and Societal Norms and Taboos with this situation. A lot has changed in 40 years. But then again one could say a lot hasn't changed as well.

This is where I think people are making the wrong turn. The question is not about "norms", but about parental rights. Whether Hooter's is a family restaurant, or whether it is appropriate for kids is entirely up to parents. I would not object in this case, but the next time a teacher assumes, it might be something I do object to.
 
This is where I think people are making the wrong turn. The question is not about "norms", but about parental rights. Whether Hooter's is a family restaurant, or whether it is appropriate for kids is entirely up to parents. I would not object in this case, but the next time a teacher assumes, it might be something I do object to.

Agree'd. The reality of the situation which is the Parent being overbearing, but also the fact that they have every right because it is their child after all.
 
No, I am saying that the school should get permission from the parents first.

So any time that school kids go on a school trip you would require parental permission before they eat in any establishment that serves liquor?
Seriously?

I guess Sizzler is out then.
 
So any time that school kids go on a school trip you would require parental permission before they eat in any establishment that serves liquor?
Seriously?

I guess Sizzler is out then.

****, I miss Sizzler. :(
 
This is where I think people are making the wrong turn. The question is not about "norms", but about parental rights. Whether Hooter's is a family restaurant, or whether it is appropriate for kids is entirely up to parents. I would not object in this case, but the next time a teacher assumes, it might be something I do object to.

Sounds like you don't want the schools to do anything. Seriously....I was joking when I said make the kids pack their own meals for every trip...but it sounds like that is what you are suggesting.
 
It was inappropriate. Furthermore, just because students can do it with their friends is hardly a justification for the behavior of the educator. The educator is held to a higher standard of propriety, and as such, has to acknowledge the intellectual and extracurricular barriers involved in education. A high school age student certainly has the ability to go to a movie theater containing a rated R film, but showing the same film in class rightly has added constraints and a justification for its showing.

Not only are teachers upheld to intellectual standards for themselves and their students, but also as role model. The education system responds in part to the demands of its parents and community.

Was the punishment harsh? Perhaps. Does the notion of punishment make sense? Absolutely.
 
It was inappropriate. Furthermore, just because students can do it with their friends is hardly a justification for the behavior of the educator. The educator is held to a higher standard of propriety, and as such, has to acknowledge the intellectual and extracurricular barriers involved in education. A high school age student certainly has the ability to go to a movie theater containing a rated R film, but showing the same film in class rightly has added constraints and a justification for its showing.

Not only are teachers upheld to intellectual standards for themselves and their students, but also as role model. The education system responds in part to the demands of its parents and community.

Was the punishment harsh? Perhaps. Does the notion of punishment make sense? Absolutely.


In this age of teachers boning students and running drugs, I think she deserves a pass on this one considering what she COULD have done. :lol:
 
The one that always bothered me was the instructor who was fired for accidentally typing in the wrong website address in the address bar, and was "porn stormed" in the time when it happened to me in front of my parents when I misspelled Metallica for "metallica.com" (I think I had two t's instead of just one). Porn spam was all the rage back then, and you could get it from doing almost anything on the internet. It was ridiculous back then, and it's still a ridiculous decision now.
 
Sounds like you don't want the schools to do anything. Seriously....I was joking when I said make the kids pack their own meals for every trip...but it sounds like that is what you are suggesting.

Why don't we exaggerate what I am saying...
 
HOOTERSnottingham is known to have 3 women for every man.

Ps Thursday is Seniors discount lunch day.
 
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I hope this wasn't already posted. I scrolled thru and didn't see it.
From Hooters website:

The element of female sex appeal is prevalent in the restaurants, and the company believes the Hooters Girl is as socially acceptable as a Dallas Cowboy cheerleader, Sports Illustrated swimsuit model, or a Radio City Rockette...
Hooters characterizes itself as a neighborhood place, not a typical family restaurant. Sixty-eight percent of customers are male, most between the ages of 25-54. Hooters does not market itself to families, but they do patronize the restaurants. Ten percent of the parties we serve have children in them. Hooters is in the hospitality business and provides the best possible service to anyone coming through the door. For this reason, the chain offers a children's menu.

Hooters.com

So there you have it. Not a family restaurant. 90% of the parties don't bring kids. I think that teacher showed poor judgement. The teen boys probably loved it. Which is why it was poor judgement on her part. :lol: But she should have received a lighter punishment, imo.
 
I hope this wasn't already posted. I scrolled thru and didn't see it.
From Hooters website:

The element of female sex appeal is prevalent in the restaurants, and the company believes the Hooters Girl is as socially acceptable as a Dallas Cowboy cheerleader, Sports Illustrated swimsuit model, or a Radio City Rockette...
Hooters characterizes itself as a neighborhood place, not a typical family restaurant. Sixty-eight percent of customers are male, most between the ages of 25-54. Hooters does not market itself to families, but they do patronize the restaurants. Ten percent of the parties we serve have children in them. Hooters is in the hospitality business and provides the best possible service to anyone coming through the door. For this reason, the chain offers a children's menu.

Hooters.com

So there you have it. Not a family restaurant. 90% of the parties don't bring kids. I think that teacher showed poor judgement. The teen boys probably loved it. Which is why it was poor judgement on her part. :lol: But she should have received a lighter punishment, imo.

You know, Hooters has other things besides waitresses. Maybe they went because they liked the wings. I know I've gone just to eat their wings.
 
Yeah, right. Their wings sucked every time I went to one (perhaps only 4-5 times). :lol:

I just kept thinking maybe I had a bad day or night. Nope. I just did not like the food!

That reminds me. Other joints started copying the Hooters uniform idea, just a tad. Buffalo Wild Wings comes to mind. The differences might be in the attire, but I attribute the differences towards quality of wings. Yum, freaking yum.
 
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Yeah, right. Their wings sucked every time I went to one (perhaps only 4-5 times). :lol:

I just kept thinking maybe I had a bad day or night. Nope. I just did not like the food!

Well, not everyone is like you. I've gone to Hooters just to eat their food before; I thought their wings were okay. Is that really so unbelievable!? Do you think the only reason Hooters stays in business is because of their waitresses? It is a successful restaurant, after all...
 
You know, Hooters has other things besides waitresses. Maybe they went because they liked the wings. I know I've gone just to eat their wings.

Maybe they wanted some beer with their wings, too, but they didn't get any. That teacher is just a disappointment all the way around.

lol
 
Maybe they wanted some beer with their wings, too, but they didn't get any. That teacher is just a disappointment all the way around.

lol

Hooters is a damn restaurant. People eat there all the time. How freaking up-tight do you have to be to get upset over something like this!?
 
Also, why are people making a big deal out of the Hooters outfit? It's like something a volleyball player would wear.

I'm just relieved she didn't take them to the beach. They might have seen girls in bathing suits!!!
 
I think the Hooter girls should be fired for not taking their clothes off :waiting:
 
Also, why are people making a big deal out of the Hooters outfit? It's like something a volleyball player would wear.

I'm just relieved she didn't take them to the beach. They might have seen girls in bathing suits!!!

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you have seized on the crux of the matter
the teacher was suspended because the parent, and the school system, do not condone the attire worn by the hooters' waitresses
would forcing them to wear burkas make it better
 
Hooters is a damn restaurant. People eat there all the time. How freaking up-tight do you have to be to get upset over something like this!?

You are right. You mention nothing about its appropriateness for high schoolers, brought there by there teacher. The Hooters 2006 employee agreement said its main concept was "female sex appeal". Now, it may just be a restaurant, but its not just any restaurant.

In public school, a teacher has a responsibility to each student not to put the student in situations that offend the student. The teacher has a responsibility to the parents not to put the students in situations that violate the moral teaching of the parents.

I assume some parents beside me believe that it is wrong to objectify women as sex objects. That's what Hooters does. Is it so blatant that every moral person in america objects to Hooters? No, its not that bad. I have been to Hooters twice, once with a group of guys from work, and once with one other guy from work. I have never been back, and I don't plan to. Below average food for above average prices, marketed on the sex appeal of the girls. I'd rather have a good hamburger somewhere else.

It is not that bad of a place, but better choices for a school group were available in downtown Phoenix. Just go someplace else. The administration suspended the teacher as they should have, for exercising poor judgment. Nobody charged her with a crime, nobody said she can't teach anymore. It wasn't a horrible judgment error, but it was a minor error and she suffers a minor punishment. Good job by the school administration.
 
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you have seized on the crux of the matter
the teacher was suspended because the parent, and the school system, do not condone the attire worn by the hooters' waitresses
would forcing them to wear burkas make it better

He has done nothing of the sort. Clothing has more context than simply the person wearing it. I suppose you would support girls wearing bathing suits to their high school classes? How about the teachers doing the same?

Deliberately charging an atmosphere with sexuality where that sexuality is traditionally absent: That is the appeal of Hooters. That is the crux of the matter with regard to the teacher's judgement.
 
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