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Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

Was it correct to suspend this teacher for taking the students to "Hooters" restauran


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Why is it conservative to think children should have final say about what is right for their children? You keep twisting the conversation to what you think is important, while missing what others of us see as the key aspect.

I'm not twisting anything....I just find it rather interesting that there are people that are all up in arms and offended about a teacher taking high school age kids to a restaurant that they could go to any day of the week on their own.

This isn't about "parental consent"...its about trying to exert control over kids that are old enough to make this kind of choice on their own. Again...people...we are talking about an ALL AGE restaurant...not an adults only strip club.
 
Disagree. Drill team is typically not scantily clad, nor do they engage in rapid athletic moves that NECESSITATE short or fitted tops to perform their moves.

Cheerleaders and dance squads wear less clothing, to facilitate the rapid athletic moves they perform. There is a legitimate reason to be dressed that way for their performance. Do you think a cheerleader or dance team member could perform their routines in blue jeans and bulky sweatshirts? I don't. That is different than a Hooters waitress, who does not perform rapid athletic moves at all, and whose employer states the concept of the restaurant is "sex appeal".

The important question is not what the attire is, the question is what is the intent of the attire that is the issue, and Hooters states it is "sex appeal". The public school system has no business supporting such a business. If a parent chooses to allow their teens to go to Hooters, that's a totally different issue, but the school should stay out of the business of going to a business whose concept is sex appeal.

Oh please....you seriously believe that high school Cheerleaders and drill squads have nothing to do with "sex appeal".....puh....lease!

This is nothing more than selective outrage.
 
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I'm not twisting anything....I just find it rather interesting that there are people that are all up in arms and offended about a teacher taking high school age kids to a restaurant that they could go to any day of the week on their own.

This isn't about "parental consent"...its about trying to exert control over kids that are old enough to make this kind of choice on their own. Again...people...we are talking about an ALL AGE restaurant...not an adults only strip club.

It is all about parental consent. Like it or not, parents do have the right to make decisions about what is appropriate, and whether you or I like those decisions is irrelevant. Call it conservative to believe that if you want(you will be wrong if you do), but that is how it is.
 
It is all about parental consent. Like it or not, parents do have the right to make decisions about what is appropriate, and whether you or I like those decisions is irrelevant. Call it conservative to believe that if you want(you will be wrong if you do), but that is how it is.

Yes....for an eight year old. Do you honestly believe that a 16-17-18 year olds is not going to "Hooters" with their friends?
This isn't an 18 and over establishment. Its a family restaurant.
 
Yes....for an eight year old. Do you honestly believe that a 16-17-18 year olds is not going to "Hooters" with their friends?
This isn't an 18 and over establishment. Its a family restaurant.
good point, they could go there on their own without their parents ever knowing.
 
Cheerleaders and dance squads wear less clothing, to facilitate the rapid athletic moves they perform. There is a legitimate reason to be dressed that way for their performance.

I think it's a little disingenuous to claim that the purpose of cheerleading is not sex appeal. I mean no disrespect to the sport itself or to the fine young women who take it as seriously as any other sport, but their costumes are clearly designed to emphasize their sexuality.

There is no athletic reason why their midriffs could not be covered.

That said, cheerleading costumes are still more modest than the Hooter's uniform.
 
I think it's a little disingenuous to claim that the purpose of cheerleading is not sex appeal. I mean no disrespect to the sport itself or to the fine young women who take it as seriously as any other sport, but their costumes are clearly designed to emphasize their sexuality.

There is no athletic reason why their midriffs could not be covered.

That said, cheerleading costumes are still more modest than the Hooter's uniform.

Not really. Have you seen the outfits that high school cheerleaders wear these days....they aren't much different than what you would see at a Hooters.
 
Yes....for an eight year old. Do you honestly believe that a 16-17-18 year olds is not going to "Hooters" with their friends?
This isn't an 18 and over establishment. Its a family restaurant.

It does not matter. If a parent decides a kid should not go, that parent is within their rights. Hell, if a parent tells their kid they cannot go to McDonalds, that is within their rights too.

This thread should show you that for some, Hooters is not a place they would want their kids taken. Since some are going to be offended, why take the chance as a teacher? While I personally doubt I would have a problem with a kid of mine being taken there(and any chance of that would have more to do with alcohol being served), to suggest that for some it is an inappropriate place for kids is obvious just from some of the replies in this thread.
 
I think it's a little disingenuous to claim that the purpose of cheerleading is not sex appeal. I mean no disrespect to the sport itself or to the fine young women who take it as seriously as any other sport, but their costumes are clearly designed to emphasize their sexuality.

There is no athletic reason why their midriffs could not be covered.

That said, cheerleading costumes are still more modest than the Hooter's uniform.

Back in the day, when I was in school, there where no bare midriff cheerleading costumes.

Sigh, you know you are getting old when you say "back in the day"...
 
Not really. Have you seen the outfits that high school cheerleaders wear these days....they aren't much different than what you would see at a Hooters.

Yes, I have. Midriffs aside, their tops show less cleavage and their shorts are cut lower on the thigh.
 
It does not matter. If a parent decides a kid should not go, that parent is within their rights. Hell, if a parent tells their kid they cannot go to McDonalds, that is within their rights too.

This thread should show you that for some, Hooters is not a place they would want their kids taken. Since some are going to be offended, why take the chance as a teacher? While I personally doubt I would have a problem with a kid of mine being taken there(and any chance of that would have more to do with alcohol being served), to suggest that for some it is an inappropriate place for kids is obvious just from some of the replies in this thread.

Uh.....Alcohol is served at most restaurants.....


and....let me give you a hint. High school kids are doing a lot more than going to Hooters...with or without your consent.
 
Uh.....Alcohol is served at most restaurants.....


and....let me give you a hint. High school kids are doing a lot more than going to Hooters...with or without your consent.

Uh...not really. Best food in town is at a restaurant that does not serve alcohol.

Irrelevant. If the parents of those kids whose parents object get caught going to Hooters without consent, I bet there would be consequences.
 
Uh...not really. Best food in town is at a restaurant that does not serve alcohol.

Irrelevant. If the parents of those kids whose parents object get caught going to Hooters without consent, I bet there would be consequences.

Are we seriously going to have the school submit it to parents every time kids go on a trip? Seriously? I can only imagine...some parent will object to TGI Fridays because of the acronym....some will object to Chilis because they have a bar....some will object to Carl's Jr...because the founder is a right-wing evangelical nut job.

Seriously people.....this is an ALL AGE establishment....and we are talking about HIGH SCHOOL Kids....

Maybe we should have them all pack a lunch and dinner for each day of the trip and avoid any controversy at all. :shock::shock::shock:
 
Are we seriously going to have the school submit it to parents every time kids go on a trip? Seriously? I can only imagine...some parent will object to TGI Fridays because of the acronym....some will object to Chilis because they have a bar....some will object to Carl's Jr...because the founder is a right-wing evangelical nut job.

Seriously people.....this is an ALL AGE establishment....and we are talking about HIGH SCHOOL Kids....

Maybe we should have them all pack a lunch and dinner for each day of the trip and avoid any controversy at all. :shock::shock::shock:

Yes, I am seriously saying this. It's up to a parent to raise kids, not the schools, and this is exactly why there are permission slips. I never knew thinking parents should decide what is appropriate for their kids made you a conservative, but if that is the case, so be it. I guess I am just not as pure a liberal as you...
 
and....let me give you a hint. High school kids are doing a lot more than going to Hooters...with or without your consent.

Some high school students are doing a lot more than going to hooters, some are not. It does not make any difference what choice the teen makes on their own. The issue is what choice the SCHOOL makes. Now given that there ARE restaurants that do not promote sex appeal as their primary motif, why should the school select a venue that objectivizes women? They should not, and they told the teacher so. Good for the school!
 
Yes, I am seriously saying this. It's up to a parent to raise kids, not the schools, and this is exactly why there are permission slips. I never knew thinking parents should decide what is appropriate for their kids made you a conservative, but if that is the case, so be it. I guess I am just not as pure a liberal as you...

Yes...permission slips to go on the trip....but you have to give the teacher AND the student a little lee-way. You'd have a 50 page permission slip if you had to accommodate every little whim.

Its not a matter of conservative or liberal. I just find it interesting that so many "liberals" are up in the air over this.

Its all a matter of age appropriate. Hooters is complete suitable for high school kids. If it weren't, there would be an 18 or over or 21 and over policy.
 
Some high school students are doing a lot more than going to hooters, some are not. It does not make any difference what choice the teen makes on their own. The issue is what choice the SCHOOL makes. Now given that there ARE restaurants that do not promote sex appeal as their primary motif, why should the school select a venue that objectivizes women? They should not, and they told the teacher so. Good for the school!

The students made the choice, not the school. Again....if you think that high school kids are not going to Hooters....you don't want to know what they are doing that is worse.

Please...I was in high school 30 years ago....and me and my friends were doing a LOT more than going to Hooters....just sayin.
 
Uh...not really. Best food in town is at a restaurant that does not serve alcohol.

So then...are you suggesting that schools should not be allowed to patronize any restaurant on a school trip that serve alcohol. Regardless of the fact that it isn't being served to the kids?
 
C'mon Disney, can't you see that by taking this poor, innocent, naive child to Hooters, that teacher has effectively gone over the Parent's head and for what?! Not to teach them a valuable lesson, mind you, Oh NO! She took the children, poor, vulnerable children, to a HOOTERS! A HOOTERS! The place reeks of sex and debauchery! No responsible parent in their RIGHT MIND would EVER let their child go to HOOTERS! Especially under adult supervision from someone as unqualified as a High School Teacher! They should be in the classroom reading their Recommended Books from the Safe Schools Czar where they can't get into any trouble and their innocence...is maintained!

OH! WHAT A WORLD! WHAT A WORLD!

:lol:
 
C'mon Disney, can't you see that by taking this poor, innocent, naive child to Hooters, that teacher has effectively gone over the Parent's head and for what?! Not to teach them a valuable lesson, mind you, Oh NO! She took the children, poor, vulnerable children, to a HOOTERS! A HOOTERS! The place reeks of sex and debauchery! No responsible parent in their RIGHT MIND would EVER let their child go to HOOTERS! Especially under adult supervision from someone as unqualified as a High School Teacher! They should be in the classroom reading their Recommended Books from the Safe Schools Czar where they can't get into any trouble and their innocence...is maintained!

OH! WHAT A WORLD! WHAT A WORLD!

:lol:

Seriously....you would think from the way people react to this that the teacher took them to "Adult Fantasy XXX Faire".....
 
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So then...are you suggesting that schools should not be allowed to patronize any restaurant on a school trip that serve alcohol. Regardless of the fact that it isn't being served to the kids?

No, I am saying that the school should get permission from the parents first.
 
For the record, I am not "up in arms" about this. I wouldn't care if it was my kid. The liberal in me cares about the other parents who may care, as is their right.
 
The students made the choice, not the school. Again....if you think that high school kids are not going to Hooters....you don't want to know what they are doing that is worse.

Please...I was in high school 30 years ago....and me and my friends were doing a LOT more than going to Hooters....just sayin.

I was in high school 40 years ago, graduated in 1970. I did much worse also, on my own. The school did not aid or abet me in the decisions, and they were correct then, and they are correct now to suspend the teacher.

What students choose to do on their own is just that, their own. The school's responsibility is to promote wholesome environments for the kids. Hooters is not it, as the restaurant admits is main concept is "sex appeal". The fact that some teens go there in no way makes it a good decision for the school, as you and I both admit as teens we made choices that were worse than those the school would have made. The school should not have supported our poor decisions then, nor should it today. The day the school administrators start letting the students set the policies of wholesome behavior, they are doomed. Can't have it, the kids are not old enough to make good decisions all the time, as you and I admit we didn't make good decisions all the time.
 
Even pizza joints sell alcohol.
 
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