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Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

Was it correct to suspend this teacher for taking the students to "Hooters" restauran

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jackalope said:
No, I'm not. People stating that Hooters is a family restaurant b/c a kid can eat a meal there are re-defining terms arbitrarily for their own benefit, and completely disregarding what a family restaurant might do, in terms of marketing, to promote a successful family restaurant model.

Hooters is clearly a successful business model. What it is not is a family restaurant business model.
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So you are saying since hooters is not chuckie cheese, it is not appropriate to take high schoolers there? Chuckie cheese is a family restaurant. Hooters is a restaurant which people can take their families to, just like fridays or a number of other places!!


I personally object to the flair that people at fridays wear, I say fire all people who have ever gone to fridays for any reason!!!
 
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Frodly said:
So you are saying since hooters is not chuckie cheese, it is not appropriate to take high schoolers there? Chuckie cheese is a family restaurant. Hooters is a restaurant which people can take their families to, just like fridays or a number of other places!!


I personally object to the flair that people at fridays wear, I say fire all people who have ever gone to fridays for any reason!!!
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Chuckie Cheese is definitely a family restaurant. Hooters is definitely not. And, it is most definitely not appropriate for a high school field trip to go to Hooters.

If you are claiming that it is (a family restaurant), it should be easy to prove that families are the target demo. What percentage of their sales are to families?
 
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Frodly said:
I find thinking boobs are icky shows a lack of maturity personally!! I find people who get offended at nonsense which does not matter to show a lack of maturity. But what are you going to do? There are boundaries which schools should not cross, but in a high school, hooters is not even close to the boundary!!
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I am neither offended by Hooters, nor unable to take notice of the fact that it is not appropriate for a school field trip. Hooters is over the boundary.
 
jackalope said:
Actually, the arbitrary litmus test was their website. And, I stated that their website does not have a kids menu, b/c they do not encourage kids as patrons. That is not their demo, and not their market.

I used common sense to determine it's not a family restaurant. Not really that hard. Perhaps all y'all thinking Hooters IS a family restaurant should learn what a family restaurant is, how they market themselves, what they might use to attract that demo, and other things that would show up in a family restaurant business plan.

Hooters' business model isn't it. :rofl:
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so hooters does have the kid's meal that you cited as a defining indicator of a restaurant acceptable for families ... that has been proven
but now that the facts disturb your position you choose to ignore them
the moved goal post is that your uncommon common sense allows you to divine what constitutes family fare and any who disagree with your opinion are in error
not a very compelling argument
 
jackalope said:
Chuckie Cheese is definitely a family restaurant. Hooters is definitely not. And, it is most definitely not appropriate for a high school field trip to go to Hooters.

If you are claiming that it is (a family restaurant), it should be easy to prove that families are the target demo. What percentage of their sales are to families?
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Yes, I realize chuckie cheese is a family restaurant, and only restaurants of that nature seem to fit your definition of a "family restaurant" The problem with that is that if you tried to take a bunch of high school kids to a chuckie cheese they would cause a lot more trouble than they would at a hooters.
 
I think parents that worry about their teens being exposed to titillation at establishments like Hooters are too uptight. I think people (in this country) are so freaked out about sexuality.

HOWEVER! That is my opinion. There is a large faction of people who have views about sexuality that are far different than mine. While I disagree with them, I respect their prerogative to raise their children according to their own good conscience. I believe this teacher definitely crossed that line. There are plenty of parents who would disagree with the choice. I'd say average across the nation at least 30%

A good chewing out and warning. No suspension. I voted no.
 
i don't think she should have been suspended, i can go to my local shopping centre in summer and see women dressed similar to hooters restraunts.
 
justabubba said:
so hooters does have the kid's meal that you cited as a defining indicator of a restaurant acceptable for families ... that has been proven
but now that the facts disturb your position you choose to ignore them
the moved goal post is that your uncommon common sense allows you to divine what constitutes family fare and any who disagree with your opinion are in error
not a very compelling argument
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No, I never stated that they did not have a kids' menu. In fact, I went back and edited my post before time ran out b/c it was ambiguous. What I stated is that their website does not have a kids menu (and it doesn't, regardless of what the AZ site has), b/c they do not encourage kids as patrons. It is not their target demo.


Frodly said:
Yes, I realize chuckie cheese is a family restaurant, and only restaurants of that nature seem to fit your definition of a "family restaurant" The problem with that is that if you tried to take a bunch of high school kids to a chuckie cheese they would cause a lot more trouble than they would at a hooters.
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No, it is not 'my definition' of a family restaurant. A 'family restaurant' targets families, b/c that is their market niche, and that is their target demo. What the deal is, is actually that Hooters is not a family restaurant. In fact, in 2006 only 10 percent of their sales were to families, and that was after making a concerted effort to become more friendly to kids and women. They made this effort b/c of continued zoning problems and other licensing issues. It was becoming an impediment to their business, so they made an effort to tone down their image some, however, their target demo is men, and they are selling sex appeal via Hooters girls.

This is recognition of what they are. Not pretending that b/c someone spotted a kid in a restaurant once, it's a family restaurant.
 
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justabubba said:
as a parent, the way you control your children's activities is not to sign off on authority for others to control them ... when signing that authorization you then authorize the other person's judgment to be used instead of your own - as in this instance

easy fix for you and those like you; don't allow your kids to interact in such activities and you will then be sure they will not be exposed to that with which you disagree, no matter how lawful that exposure might be (again, as in this instance)

in short, you don't get it both ways. you don't pawn your kids off on someone else and then complain when someone else engages in a legal activity you do not approve. the way you exercise that control is by not authorizing the activity. too easy ... but complaining and monday morning quarterbacking appears to be more fun
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When you sign off on a teacher's authority you expect them to have good judgment. Taking high school students to Hooters is not good judgment. A suspension might be an excessive consequence but I would be concerned about the teacher's judgment in general if she thought this was OK. A smart teacher lets the parent know ahead of time where they plan to eat and have the parents approval before. A smart teacher also knows how easy it is to offend some parents and is very careful about those kind of choices.
 
EgoffTib said:
How so? I'm still trying to find a logical argument for how children in Hooters in appropriate. As DisneyDude stated earlier, I think most of the people upset with this have some serious misconceptions about what Hooters actually is.
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Here's your logical argument. Hooters means breasts. I would not allow my students to say the word hooters let alone go to the restaurant. I don't understand why people insist on pretending it is a family place. The purpose is to stare at sexy women while eating fried food. A fine activity for adult males but not for teenage boys on a school outing.

I wonder how people would feel if it were a male teacher taking girls to a restaurant called, oh I don't know, Ding-Dongs. All the waiters are sexy men wearing no shirt, very tight pants and perhaps chaps.
 
I feel she made a bad choice and it should be up to parents if they want their kids hanging at Hooters.

I do not feel she should be suspended and I am the most open-minded person ever but you do not take kids to places like this without persmisson.
 
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disneydude said:
No. Hooters is a family restaurant....like a chili's or Applebees. The only difference is that the waitresses wear shorts and are generally (but not always) bigger chested than the average female.
I've been to many a "Hooters" and generally, I see all age range in the restaurant. Unfortunately....many people perpetuate the myth that it is somehow a strip club or in the vein.
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Umm. They do not wear simple shorts. They wear shorts up to their ass. Lets be real here.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
no they usually look like:

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Though usually a little more chunky, older, and a few c-section scars. ;)
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Damn Rev, where is your hooters located at. The girls in my local hooters here in Plano Tx are just as hot as the one in your pic if not hotter. But this is Texas after all.
 
She should have known to cover her ass by getting permission for this. Parents do have a right to not want their kids exposed to "temptation" like this. These are the same types that won't let their kids watch Disney Channel due to the "Jezebels" that come from that network.
 
disneydude said:
It is a restaurant, not reallly different from Chili's or TGI Fridays and I doubt the teacher would have been suspended for that.
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I disagree with this portion of your claim. They aren't the same as the other restaurants you mentioned. Hooters is more a sports bar than a restaurant. I checked both (and a couple more) restaurant's web sites and not a single lingerie clad girl like I found on Hooter's web site. They market to an adult clientele. The obviously have no problem objectifying women.

disneydude said:
The reality is....the parents of ONE boy complained.
Which raises a bigger question....should the parents of one child dictate what is "appropriate" for everyone else?
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The parent of one child should certainly dictate what is appropriate for their child. I doubt they are much worried about the other kids. As I stated previously, they objectify women. I could see where someone (a feminist maybe?) would take issue with their child going to Hooters.
 
Phoenix said:
The parent of one child should certainly dictate what is appropriate for their child.
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This to me is the relevant portion. The parents should decide what is right for their kids, and when in doubt, you don't take chances. McDonalds or a Pizza Hut are unglamorous but the kids will appreciate it, and no one will likely complain.
 
ok, now i am convinced. the hooters waitress' outfit there exposes more than a student would ever expect to see on a high school campus
cheerleader.jpg


... nevermind
 
justabubba said:
ok, now i am convinced. the hooters waitress' outfit there exposes more than a student would ever expect to see on a high school campus
cheerleader.jpg


... nevermind
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I am going to go out on a limb here and say that is probably not a high school cheerleader. Can't prove it, but it's a strong suspicion.
 
I don't have a problem with it.

With some of the raunch I have seen on the phones of neighbor high school kids, a Hooter waitress is actually quite mundane.
 
justabubba said:
i feel most sorry for the kid whose parents complained

and it's a bogus suspension, assuming there was no minimum age of entry which was not achieved by the students who went ... indicating it was open to the public

we've become a nation of the easily offended
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In my wife's school there is a parent the won't allow her son to watch certain movies, read certain books, and of course she thinks Obama is the devil incarnate and didn't him to hear Obama's speech to the school children a few months ago.

Never mind it apparently backfired as her daughter is pregnant. :rofl
 
I morally disapprove of Hooters' restaurants and I don't patronize them myself, but it wouldn't trouble me much if my high school age son or daughter were taken there on a school trip. High school students are adults and should be treated as such, and that means learning to deal with people whose moral standards fall short of their own; if their class in school votes to go to Hooters over their objections, that's something they will have to learn to deal with.

I'd be disappointed if I learned that they'd voted themselves to go to Hooters, but not so disappointed that I'd feel the need to do more than have a talk with them about modesty and decency-- the same talk I'd want to have with them if I learned in advance that the school trip would involve dining there.

By the same token, I wouldn't want any more from the teacher than a five minute conference in which to voice my disapproval. I think a suspension is a gross overreaction even if the students were younger; there is nothing here that warrants more than a formal letter of apology.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
I think this teacher should be given a huge raise, a bonus, and a lifetime supply of Hooters.

And yes, I am serious. Parents like this make me want to punch them (the parents, not the kids...or the hooters).
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I would love to punch folks who feel as if it is no big deal to try and undermind parents to a point where they do not ask if it is ok to take children places their parents do not approve of.. :roll:
 
EnigmaO01 said:
In my wife's school there is a parent the won't allow her son to watch certain movies, read certain books, and of course she thinks Obama is the devil incarnate and didn't him to hear Obama's speech to the school children a few months ago.

Never mind it apparently backfired as her daughter is pregnant. :rofl
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What does this have to do with Hooters? Do you feel as if parents should have no control over what their children are exposed to?

And if you think only people on the right feel as if they should have parental control? You are fooling yourself.
 
Kali said:
What does this have to do with Hooters? Do you feel as if parents should have no control over what their children are exposed to?

And if you think only people on the right feel as if they should have parental control? You are fooling yourself.
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Right. These folks who are so indignant that some parents have the audacity to want to have some input into what their children do or see need to put the shoe on the other foot.

Let's pretend a teacher wanted to take the kids, say, to a neo-nazi headquarters to hear a lecture by its leader on how the Holocaust never happened. Perfectly legal, right? Why would anyone be so uptight and complain? Don't they want their child exposed to different ideas and beliefs? Why are parents so over protective?
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
High school students are adults and should be treated as such, and that means learning to deal with people whose moral standards fall short of their own; if their class in school votes to go to Hooters over their objections, that's something they will have to learn to deal with.
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High school students are not adults. They are not adults in the eyes of the law or in how most of them behave. I agree that they should not be treated as small children. I also know that some high school students can and do conduct themselves as adults and are given adult responsibilities by their parents. However considering that high school starts at age 14 - I would not consider most high school kids adults.
 
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