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Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

Was it correct to suspend this teacher for taking the students to "Hooters" restauran

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There are many activities that are legal for children to do that school teachers shouldn't be doing with them. Hooters is definitely one of them. I'm a parent and I might not have complained, but I wouldn't approve nor appreciate it.

For every complaint there are probably 10 that agree but didn't take that extra step to complain.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
There are many activities that are legal for children to do that school teachers shouldn't be doing with them. Hooters is definitely one of them. I'm a parent and I might not have complained, but I wouldn't approve nor appreciate it.

For every complaint there are probably 10 that agree but didn't take that extra step to complain.
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as a parent, the way you control your children's activities is not to sign off on authority for others to control them ... when signing that authorization you then authorize the other person's judgment to be used instead of your own - as in this instance

easy fix for you and those like you; don't allow your kids to interact in such activities and you will then be sure they will not be exposed to that with which you disagree, no matter how lawful that exposure might be (again, as in this instance)

in short, you don't get it both ways. you don't pawn your kids off on someone else and then complain when someone else engages in a legal activity you do not approve. the way you exercise that control is by not authorizing the activity. too easy ... but complaining and monday morning quarterbacking appears to be more fun
 
An easy fix would be for the school and its teachers to exercise some discretion and judgement that is respectful of those with more conservative values.

Hooters is not a place for a female teacher to take a bunch of boys. Very inappropriate.

I think she should have been privately counseled and given a warning. She should have called the complaining parent to explain and apologize. I think it was a mistake to suspend the teacher over this because it makes too much of a scene. The disciplining should have been more private.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
Hooters is not a place for a female teacher to take a bunch of boys. Very inappropriate.
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How so? I'm still trying to find a logical argument for how children in Hooters in appropriate. As DisneyDude stated earlier, I think most of the people upset with this have some serious misconceptions about what Hooters actually is.
 
From the article:

"A Paradise Valley High School music teacher whose students performed at one of President's Barack Obama inauguration events"

That seems like grounds for suspension. ;)

But really, I'd say that it depends on the school. If this is a Catholic school, I would expect it and have no problem with it. A private school should be able to do what it wants. What would I want a public school to do though? I guess it depends on the local community.
 
I think it's silly that the teacher was suspended, but perhaps ought to have thought about potential problems and taken them somewhere less likely to be objectionable. Unfortunately, when you're a teacher you not only have to worry about doing something wrong, but being perceived to have done something wrong whether you actually did or not. Image matters.
 
EgoffTib said:
How so? I'm still trying to find a logical argument for how children in Hooters in appropriate. As DisneyDude stated earlier, I think most of the people upset with this have some serious misconceptions about what Hooters actually is.
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Hooters is about girls in tiny shorts and big boobs in tight shirts. Anyone who pretends otherwise isn't telling the truth, or maybe doesn't know what Hooters is about.


The website video makes no secret of it.

:: Hooters Hall O Fame::
 
disneydude said:
No. Hooters is a family restaurant....like a chili's or Applebees. The only difference is that the waitresses wear shorts and are generally (but not always) bigger chested than the average female.
I've been to many a "Hooters" and generally, I see all age range in the restaurant. Unfortunately....many people perpetuate the myth that it is somehow a strip club or in the vein.
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disneydude said:
No it isn't. Would you have objected if they went to TGI Fridays?
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Nope. But I also don't think Hooters was appropriate for a school trip.

I agree with MyOwnDrum. :2wave: Not appropriate, but not suspension-worthy, either.
 
disneydude said:
No. Hooters is a family restaurant....like a chili's or Applebees. The only difference is that the waitresses wear shorts and are generally (but not always) bigger chested than the average female.
I've been to many a "Hooters" and generally, I see all age range in the restaurant. Unfortunately....many people perpetuate the myth that it is somehow a strip club or in the vein.
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Hooters is not a family restaurant, like a Chili's or an Applebee's. Both Chili's AND Applebee's have kids menus on their websites. Because, you know, they encourage bringing kids there. Hooters has no kids menu on its website. Because, you know, they do not encourage bringing kids there. Because they are not a family restaurant.


:rofl
 
jackalope said:
Hooters is not a family restaurant, like a Chili's or an Applebee's. Both Chili's AND Applebee's have kids menus on their websites. Because, you know, they encourage bringing kids there. Hooters has no kids menu on its website. Because, you know, they do not encourage bringing kids there. Because they are not a family restaurant.


:rofl
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http://www.hootersaz.com/documents/kidsMenu01-08.pdf

http://www.hootersaz.com/menu.shtml

http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM69DM_Kids_Eat_Free_Hooters_Rancho_Bernardo_San_Diego_CA
 
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Voted No

Still, it says a lot about the maturity and wisdom this teacher has (little). Porn is everywhere, some idiot even invented a tits-theme restaurant. I couldn't take myself serious if I would still be behaving like a 14 yr old horny kid at my age. You don't have to be a christian or a conservative or both to find things like Hooters childish.
 
jackalope said:
Very good. Glad the AZ Hooters has a kids' menu. However, the main Hooter's site does not. And that's because they are not a family restaurant.


And Hooter's is not a family restaurant.


:2wave:
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A lack of a children's menu on their main site does not mean they are not kid friendly. A main site is not always going to list every single they serve(its usually like that for a lot of websites for other types of businesses as well) The main website for popeye's chicken does not list a children's menu but some of the regional websites do, does that mean Popeyes chicken is not kids friendly? You can walk into any Popeyes and find a kids menu just as I am sure you can walk into any Hooter's and find a kids menu.

Popeyes® Louisiana Kitchen - New Orleans Cajun Fried Chicken Restaurant Franchise

Washington D.C. area
OUR MENU
 
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The teacher's explanation that there was no alternative that could accommodate such a large group appears to not be holding up (the kids voted ahead of time - a vote implies choices). Also, at least one kid was made uncomfortable by the choice.


This was just not appropriate at all for a school outing. Including the apparent dishonesty by the teacher that there was no alternative.





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Another student on the trip, Keith Schliechter, said when one of the 40 student seemed a little uncomfortable with the choice or restaurants, he was offered an alternative.

"They even offered to the kid that complained about it, they offered to take him down to Subway or some other place that was right down there and he said it was fine. He said he didn’t need to. It seemed like everything was fine and then his mother heard of it and I guess got all upset,” said Schliechter.


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One parent, whose daughter went on the field trip, said she didn’t see anything wrong with the students eating at Hooters. She also added that she knew several days in advance that was the plan all along because her daughter told her the kids took a vote.


Teacher Put On Leave After Hooters Trip - Phoenix News Story - KPHO Phoenix
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Suspending the teacher seems a little drastic. I completely agree that it was a stupid thing to do and the teacher should've been chewed out by the school administrator. But unless this is part of a pattern of bad judgment, suspending the teacher seems a bit harsh.
 
jamesrage said:
A lack of a children's menu on their main site does not mean they are not kid friendly. A main site is not always going to list every single they serve(its usually like that for a lot of websites for other types of businesses as well) The main website for popeye's chicken does not list a children's menu but some of the regional websites do, does that mean Popeyes chicken is not kids friendly? You can walk into any Popeyes and find a kids menu just as I am sure you can walk into any Hooter's and find a kids menu.

Popeyes® Louisiana Kitchen - New Orleans Cajun Fried Chicken Restaurant Franchise

Washington D.C. area
OUR MENU
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Their video and calendar and website art makes that apparent (the fact of what kind of restaurant it is), in case anyone really didn't know what a Hooters was.


And a family restaurant it's not.
 
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Kandahar said:
Suspending the teacher seems a little drastic. I completely agree that it was a stupid thing to do and the teacher should've been chewed out by the school administrator. But unless this is part of a pattern of bad judgment, suspending the teacher seems a bit harsh.
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I agree with this, completely.
 
Any teacher ignorant enough to not realize at least one parent was likely to complain should not be teaching. I think it is a silly thing for a parent to complain about, but that is irrelevant. You had to know it would happen.
 
jackalope said:
Their video and calendar and website art makes that apparent (the fact of what kind of restaurant it is), in case anyone really didn't know what a Hooters was.


And a family restaurant it's not.
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Their side activities does not make the themed restaurant not kid friendly.Firefighters sell calendars sometimes of barely dress men to raise money, does that mean we should stop buying our children toy fire trucks or not to pretend to be firemen? Of course their adult menu not aimed at kids so it is going to be different, thats why their kids menu looks like this.
 

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jamesrage said:
Their side activities does not make the themed restaurant not kid friendly.Firefighters sell calendars sometimes of barely dress men to raise money, does that mean we should stop buying our children toy fire trucks or not to pretend to be firemen? Of course their adult menu not aimed at kids so it is going to be different, thats why their kids menu looks like this.
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The fact that they can feed a kid doesn't make it a family restaurant. Pretending it is something it is not, is dishonest. As the website says, it's been 25 years, we know what Hooters is about.

:2wave:
 
jackalope said:
The fact that they can feed a kid doesn't make it a family restaurant. Pretending it is something it is not, is dishonest. As the website says, it's been 25 years, we know what Hooters is about.

:2wave:
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If such a restaurant was not kid friendly then would be laws against them serving children just as there are laws that do not let minors into bars, liquor stores,casinos or strip clubs in various states across the country.
 
jamesrage said:
If such a restaurant was not kid friendly then would be laws against them serving children just as there are laws that do not let minors into bars, liquor stores,casinos or strip clubs in various states across the country.
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Not everything that is not age-restricted is appropriate for a school field trip. And that kid that was made uncomfortable by the choice shouldn't have been put in that position. Peer scorn, on one hand, or skip a possibly otherwise enriching school field trip on the other hand.


There really isn't a good argument for taking kids to Hooters. If it's just like an Applebees, Chilis, or Pop-eye's, then go to one of those instead. I'm sure Phoenix a chain restaurant other than Hooters. Or a local restaurant.
 
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I think this teacher should be given a huge raise, a bonus, and a lifetime supply of Hooters.

And yes, I am serious. Parents like this make me want to punch them (the parents, not the kids...or the hooters).
 
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