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Is Christianity Political?

Is Christianity a Political Movement?


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If it is, God's going to be really mad.

I just thanked one of Whip's posts. I need a shower now. More so than usual, I mean.



Catz: you might want to read up - [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_fallacy]Fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
The fallacy that you think you have made a point here. It's been good entertainment, we have added age and handicapped status and charisma to those things which are politics. We can keep going and fully show the absurdity of your argument if you want.
 
Like any question asked about a gigantic population or multifaceted thing, the answer can only be "it depends." That is, unless you enjoy ignoring whatever evidence doesn't fit your own convenient narrative.
 
Can you imagine a Muslim trying to get elected POTUS? Do we have any politicians in the US that have successfully run for office who are Muslim?

Obama
:mrgreen:

But even Muslim stands a better chance than atheist. The whole thing about being a "christian" nation, about having to be Christian to get into high public office, etc. show that Christianity is entangled into the political process. And regardless of whether or not people want to admit that, how does that mean that they can't be immune to hate speech? I still don't see how anyone is immune to hate speech. You can't punish hate speech less someone is also infringing upon the rights of others in the process.
 
Like any question asked about a gigantic population or multifaceted thing, the answer can only be "it depends." That is, unless you enjoy ignoring whatever evidence doesn't fit your own convenient narrative.

Since the question involves the totality, there would have to be evidence the totality is involved in something. There is no such evidence. Perhaps you would care to show some?

Are people who are christian political? Of course. Are there people who are christian who are apolitical? Of course. Are there christian political organizations? Yes. Are there christian organizations which are totally apolitical? Yes as well. See the thing here? It's not the totality, it's subsets within the set.
 
So, which logical fallacy, in all of your expertise, Dav, do you believe I've engaged in here?

"Utter stupidity"


Here is your original claim:

Political candidates for higher office must be Christian.
Many Christian churches and organizations have a political agenda.
Many Christian organizations have influenced political issues for religious reasons.
Thus, Christianity is political.

This does not follow any sort of logical or deductive reasoning of any sort. As Redress pointed out, we've already provided age, handicapped status, and charisma as examples which disprove your point.

Incidentally, Jefferson was a Deist, and many people in both state and Federal government are Jewish.

EDIT: And as I have said several times- if Christianity was political in America, the "Christian Party" would get 75% of the vote each election.
 
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Sure. The pope runs his own state.
 
A new Jesus for a new era...

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Percentage of American presidents that attended a Christian church: 100%.
 
Percentage of American presidents that attended a Christian church: 100%.

Which fallacy? Another one: moving the goalposts.

"Political candidates for higher office" becomes "American presidents." You're all over the place, Catz. Just give up.
 
Which fallacy? Another one: moving the goalposts.

"Political candidates for higher office" becomes "American presidents." You're all over the place, Catz. Just give up.

Why? It's abundantly clear that I have a better grasp of the subject. :mrgreen:
 
Political candidates for higher office must have a certain amount of charisma. Therefore charisma is political. See how stupid that sounds?

Many Christian churches and organizations do not have a political agenda.

Your argument fails, and fails hard.
most religions are right to life, so in fact, do have a political agenda, namely reversing roe v wade.
 
Percentage of American presidents that attended a Christian church: 100%.

1. This would not matter even if it were true. 100% of American presidents have been male, over 40, and until recently, white. Gender, age, and race are not political, though.

2. This is not true to begin with.

Religious affiliations of United States Presidents - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thomas Jefferson, Franklin Pierce, Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Johnson, and Rutherford B Hayes had no affiliation to any church when they were elected President (not counting Eisenhower, who was baptized 12 days into office, or Obama, who broke off ties with his church during the campaign).

Of those, at least Jefferson was not a Christian, and possibly Lincoln as well.

So 11% did not attend church, and 2-4.5% were not Christian.
 
Percentage of American presidents that attended a Christian church: 100%.

Percentage of presidents who have been American: 100 %

Therefore by your (il)logoc, being American is political.
 
Percentage of presidents who have been American: 100 %

Therefore by your (il)logoc, being American is political.

Being white is political. Being a male is political.
 
most religions are right to life, so in fact, do have a political agenda, namely reversing roe v wade.

Most everything in this country have religious people in them. It does not make them political. I am pretty sure most soup kitchens that feed the poor and homeless are religious groups, that does not make soup kitchens political.
 
I think the main reason why it would be difficult to get an atheist elected President is because many people associate atheism with ferocious hatred and anger at people for believing something that they do not personally believe, and then saying that those people are oppressing atheists by making their religion "political".
 
I think the main reason why it would be difficult to get an atheist elected President is because many people associate atheism with ferocious hatred and anger at people for believing something that they do not personally believe, and then saying that those people are oppressing atheists by making their religion "political".

Which, of course, is absolutely ridiculous. The opposite is true, in fact. You don't see atheists condemning believers to an eternity of torture just because they believe something different, do you?
 
Therefore by your (il)logoc, being American is political.

Given that we are a representational democracy, that would indeed be true. America is ruled by the people of America. Ergo, Americans are political.
 
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