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Grade Obama so far!

How do you grade Obama's presidency so far


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Our President is not our dictator, some people seem to think that he is.

I will assign no grade to our President, Its beneath the dignity of the office.


So then, Obama is not a dignified man, since you know, he graded himself?



I will give the American people a failing grade.
Too many are uneducated.
Too many do not care.
Our political precess requires involvement by intelligent men.
Here, we have a shortage.
Unfortunately, Mr Obama's appear is limited, no fault of his.
And I see no JFK on the horizon.



So who's uhm, an "educated" country? Self loathing is loathing.
 
I'm not knocking you specifically, Rev.

I'm knocking Oprah and other members of the media as well as politicians for their manipulative strategies.

I'm also being critical of all of us (including myself) for allowing ourselves to be led by them in the pursuit of the almighty vote/ratings boost.





I know. I just felt like calling you "punchy" and had to work it in someway... ;)
 
I gave an F based on one factor alone: Transparency, or lack thereof

why isnt he using the bully pulpit to get the ****ing dems to stop drafting legislation behind closed doors, Saturday night votes, on bills nobody can read or understand

THIS COUNTRY NEEDS AN ENEMA but Obama is the buttplug
 
Grade: A-

Pros: Determined to institute a nationalized health care plan with a public option, lifted the stem cell research ban using federal money, proposed pullout of all American troops in Iraq by 2010/2011 on schedule as of last month, supports the Democratic Congress in laying the smack down on shady credit card company/bank practices, foreign policy record immaculate, sympathetic to the scientific community when it comes to global warming and supports their findings by political action, and seems to generally know what he's doing as President of the United States, which is more than I can say for his predecessor.

Cons: Needs to be more liberal on social issues. Don't Ask Don't Tell should have been repealed yesterday. Gay marriage should be instituted on a federal level, overturning any and all statewide Constitution bans on the practice. Would like to see our current National Motto ("In God We Trust") be replaced with the original one ("E Pluribus Unum").

More liberal? Don't you guys care about what the rest of America likes? We're a center-right nation, and Obama is already starting to alienate independents and moderates, and don't expect a Tea Party-Party to take votes away from the GOP, because, according to liberals, the Tea-party IS the GOP...:rofl

You guys are in for a huge surprise in 2010; you've been ignoring over half the country since the moment Obama took office. If Obama has any hope of retaining the White House then he better start moving towards the center and fast.
 
More liberal? Don't you guys care about what the rest of America likes? We're a center-right nation, and Obama is already starting to alienate independents and moderates, and don't expect a Tea Party-Party to take votes away from the GOP, because, according to liberals, the Tea-party IS the GOP...:rofl

You guys are in for a huge surprise in 2010; you've been ignoring over half the country since the moment Obama took office. If Obama has any hope of retaining the White House then he better start moving towards the center and fast.

NO NO NO. The reason nothing good can get done, is because of the Republicans in teh Senate that are Obstructing progress, despite the Dems having a FILIBUSTER PROOF majority :doh MY GOD TEH DEMS ON THE HILL ARE THE SUCK
 
More liberal? Don't you guys care about what the rest of America likes? We're a center-right nation, and Obama is already starting to alienate independents and moderates, and don't expect a Tea Party-Party to take votes away from the GOP, because, according to liberals, the Tea-party IS the GOP...:rofl

You guys are in for a huge surprise in 2010; you've been ignoring over half the country since the moment Obama took office. If Obama has any hope of retaining the White House then he better start moving towards the center and fast.

You seem to have misinterpreted this thread. The OP wanted us to individually grade Obama's performance, and I did just that. Nowhere in my post did I make the claim that I do not care what the "rest of America" thinks, nor the political lean of our country overall, nor anything about the GOP, tea-partiers, etc.

Regarding us liberals "being in for a surprise" come 2010, i'm assuming you mean the upcoming midterm elections, in which case I can save you the trouble of banging out some tired conservative rhetoric about how liberal politics is teh debil, ruining our country, or some other such nonsense. The truth is that i'll worry about the 2010 elections come election time in 2010. My primary concern is Obama and the Dems advancing the causes that me and "those other libs" view as necessary and productive, versus the ones that I disagree with.

So yeah, I need Obama to be a lot more socially liberal if he's gonna earn an "A" from me. As it stands now, he's a good solid A-.
 
What do you think of his stand in Afghanistan? I have mixed feelings.

I want the job to be done over there, so we can bring our men and women home. I'd really love to catch Osama Bin Laden, but I think he's rotting away in some cave somewhere, so i'll settle for a body. I do agree with his troop increase, but i'm ready for this war to be over, like everyone else.
 
Did you just call me a whore? :2razz:

I don't think he did. But since you are a perdy hawt Canadian, please let me know if you'd ever like to take up the profession...oh, and fax me your price list! ;)
 
I gave him a "C."

I agreed with a lot of his elections platforms, notably global warming, getting out of Afghanistan and healthcare. However, he seems to be conforming too much and trying to please. We all know that's an impossible task. He needs to grow a spine, big time.

However, he inherited one hell of a mess, so I'm trying not to be too harsh. He didn't START any of the useless wars, let alone the decades of bank deregulations. I have never envied his position, that's for sure. I don't think Jesus would be high in the polls had he run and inherited the leadership of a country close to collapse.

Bottom line, it seems that MOST of the elected officials have forgotten that they represent "the people," rather than "big business and their crony lobbyists." Obama is not any different.
 
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You seem to have misinterpreted this thread. The OP wanted us to individually grade Obama's performance, and I did just that. Nowhere in my post did I make the claim that I do not care what the "rest of America" thinks, nor the political lean of our country overall, nor anything about the GOP, tea-partiers, etc.

Regarding us liberals "being in for a surprise" come 2010, i'm assuming you mean the upcoming midterm elections, in which case I can save you the trouble of banging out some tired conservative rhetoric about how liberal politics is teh debil, ruining our country, or some other such nonsense. The truth is that i'll worry about the 2010 elections come election time in 2010. My primary concern is Obama and the Dems advancing the causes that me and "those other libs" view as necessary and productive, versus the ones that I disagree with.

So yeah, I need Obama to be a lot more socially liberal if he's gonna earn an "A" from me. As it stands now, he's a good solid A-.

America is a center-right nation, that's just a fact, and you want Obama to be more liberal. Basically, you have no problem with the President ignoring the majority of Americans. Sorry, but that's what it is.

Also, your reference to conservatism is just silly. I'm certainly more socially liberal than Barack Obama, and probably moreso than yourself, so spare me the partisan talking points.
 
America is a center-right nation, that's just a fact, and you want Obama to be more liberal. Basically, you have no problem with the President ignoring the majority of Americans. Sorry, but that's what it is.

Also, your reference to conservatism is just silly. I'm certainly more socially liberal than Barack Obama, and probably moreso than yourself, so spare me the partisan talking points.

And yet, it is you - not I - who leaped into this thread taking issue with my position, that I personally believe Barack Obama needs to be more socially liberal.

If you are as socially liberal ('probably' moreso than me, as you claim) I seriously doubt you would have quoted my post and given a lame attempt at dimantling it. It is more likely that you would have at least agreed with something that I wrote, or at least sympathized with the positions. In addition, you felt the need to add 'spare me the partisan talking points'. Since my 'talking points' (your words) were unabashedly liberal, perhaps we can dispense with the smokescreening altogether. If you are truly more socially liberal than me, feel free to illustrate where exactly you are. Gay marriage? Don't Ask Don't Tell? Where, exactly, are you more socially liberal than myself?

Feel free to use my quotes in this thread or any other to show me where you are 'probably moreso' socially liberal than me.
 
Hey Tiger... is that you? :rofl

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And yet, it is you - not I - who leaped into this thread taking issue with my position, that I personally believe Barack Obama needs to be more socially liberal.

I was speaking to liberalism in general. The left has this desire to rapidly usher in liberal policies, both social and economic, regardless of how anyone else feels about them. Even if I agreed with some of Obama's liberal social policies, I don't agree with the manner in which he seeks to implement them; quick, fast, and in a hurry with as little discussion as possible. I don't feel comfortable making rapid alterations to our social fabric, even if I agree with the ends they are seeking.

If you are as socially liberal ('probably' moreso than me, as you claim) I seriously doubt you would have quoted my post and given a lame attempt at dimantling it. It is more likely that you would have at least agreed with something that I wrote, or at least sympathized with the positions. In addition, you felt the need to add 'spare me the partisan talking points'. Since my 'talking points' (your words) were unabashedly liberal, perhaps we can dispense with the smokescreening altogether. If you are truly more socially liberal than me, feel free to illustrate where exactly you are. Gay marriage? Don't Ask Don't Tell? Where, exactly, are you more socially liberal than myself?

I don't support state-sanctioned marriages, period.

I don't see DADT as a social issue.

I support the full legalization of drugs and prostitution.

I believe in the separation between Church and State.

I dunno, anything else?

Feel free to use my quotes in this thread or any other to show me where you are 'probably moreso' socially liberal than me.

I wouldn't be surprised if I was, which is why your reference to conservative rhetoric is off the mark.
 
I don't support state-sanctioned marriages, period.

I believe in the separation between Church and State.

Then how do we recognize religious marriages and grant marriages on a non-religious basis? And let's just discuss this without witty semantics, take marriage to equal civil-union and vice versa in this case.
 
Then how do we recognize religious marriages and grant marriages on a non-religious basis? And let's just discuss this without witty semantics, take marriage to equal civil-union and vice versa in this case.

People may enter into whatever contracts they wish. If they want to call that contract a "marriage" or a "civil union" then what the hell do I care?

Gay, straight, polygamous...whatever.

Just don't expect the government to validate your lifestyle by institutionalizing it.
 
People may enter into whatever contracts they wish. If they want to call that contract a "marriage" or a "civil union" then what the hell do I care?

Gay, straight, polygamous...whatever.

Just don't expect the government to validate your lifestyle by institutionalizing it.

Fair enough. But on the same not they shouldn't restrict anyone's lifestyle so long as it doesn't impose on others' lifestyles as well.
 
I was speaking to liberalism in general. The left has this desire to rapidly usher in liberal policies, both social and economic, regardless of how anyone else feels about them. Even if I agreed with some of Obama's liberal social policies, I don't agree with the manner in which he seeks to implement them; quick, fast, and in a hurry with as little discussion as possible. I don't feel comfortable making rapid alterations to our social fabric, even if I agree with the ends they are seeking.

Ahh, but see, I never anything about the haste of these policies, only that I want the liberal push towards them. And given that you leaped in with the commentary "liberal this" and "liberal that", I highly doubt that you are content with merely waiting to institute liberal social policy on a more laid-back scale. No, I think you have problems with liberal policy to begin with, otherwise you wouldn't have quoted and attempted a dismantle of my post.



I wouldn't be surprised if I was, which is why your reference to conservative rhetoric is off the mark.

And yet, the fact remains that you did have a problem with my grade of Obama; furthermore, you went on to further attempt a rebuttal against my liberal position. No, I think you're against liberal social policy for the most part, not the speed at which it is being implemented. Otherwise you wouldn't have taken issue with my post, or started in with the 'liberal this' or 'liberal that'.
 
Ahh, but see, I never anything about the haste of these policies, only that I want the liberal push towards them. And given that you leaped in with the commentary "liberal this" and "liberal that", I highly doubt that you are content with merely waiting to institute liberal social policy on a more laid-back scale. No, I think you have problems with liberal policy to begin with, otherwise you wouldn't have quoted and attempted a dismantle of my post.

I was speaking generally about liberal agendas, social and economic; the latter being the most troubling to me.

And yet, the fact remains that you did have a problem with my grade of Obama; furthermore, you went on to further attempt a rebuttal against my liberal position. No, I think you're against liberal social policy for the most part, not the speed at which it is being implemented. Otherwise you wouldn't have taken issue with my post, or started in with the 'liberal this' or 'liberal that'.

What liberal social policies would I be against :confused:

Couldn't I just take issue with your general idea of political action?
 
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I had major issues with his health care ideas and stimulus plan.... And i mean major. But none the less we are doing better.
 
I was speaking generally about liberal agendas, social and economic; the latter being the most troubling to me.

In that case, grade Obama accordingly. My post detailed the pros and cons of why I thought Obama was worth an A-. You disagree? Post your own grade and outline the reasons for it.



What liberal social policies would I be against :confused:

Couldn't I just take issue with your general idea of political action?

You could, except that I made no outline of political action, only what I wanted to see more of policy-wise. In addition, need I remind you that you took issue with my liberal position in the first place, and by making the statement "More liberal? Don't you guys care about what the rest of America likes? We're a center-right nation, and Obama is already starting to alienate independents and moderates, and don't expect a Tea Party-Party to take votes away from the GOP, because, according to liberals, the Tea-party IS the GOP..." - you'll excuse me if I find your belief that you are somehow more 'socially liberal' than myself a bit suspect.
 
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He gets a few points off just for allowing Rev. RicKKK Warren to speak at his inauguration.
 
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