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Amanda Knox murder trial in Italy - verdict could come any day. Guilty, or innocent?

Amanda Knox murder trial verdict - Guilty, or Not Guilty?


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Re: Amanda Knox murder trial in Italy - verdict could come any day. Guilty, or innoc

Guilty. I'll be very surprised if they acquit. I think they'll both be found guilty of at least being accessories to murder.
 
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Wasn't someone else already convicted of the murder?

Yes, and he's appealing. They would have all been tried together but he asked for a speedy, shorter process and was found guilty. Amanda and Raffaele both opted for the longer trial.
 
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Arcana, I didn't know he was appealing. What are his chances of getting a new trial?
 
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Arcana, I didn't know he was appealing. What are his chances of getting a new trial?
i hope not good.
 
Re: Amanda Knox murder trial in Italy - verdict could come any day. Guilty, or innoc

The killer has already been found guilty......;)

Rudy Hermann Guede

Born December 26, 1986 (1986-12-26) (age 22)[45]
Ivory Coast
Conviction(s) Conspiracy to murder
Penalty 30 years imprisonment
Status Incarcerated
Rudy Hermann Guede, 20, originally from the Ivory Coast, was arrested on November 20 for suspected involvement in the Kercher killing. He was subsequently convicted of murder and sentenced to 30 years.

Guede came to Perugia at the age of five with his father.[46] His father left Italy when Guede was 16, and he was informally adopted by the family of a wealthy local businessman, Paolo Caporali.[46] Caporali stated that he had been disappointed by Guede's behaviour, describing him as a "tremendous liar", skipping school and being reluctant to do any work.[46] Guede played basketball for the local team which Caporali sponsored.[46]

DNA tests indicate that Guede had sex with Kercher before her murder [47] and that feces found in the toilet were his.[48]

Guede was reportedly a hanger-on with the residents of the downstairs apartment, where Kercher's boyfriend of a few months lived.[citation needed] It has been said that he would "couch surf" at this and other apartments, where he tended to arrive unannounced. Knox has confirmed meeting Guede a few times.

Guede's account of the evening was that he and the victim had consensual sex, after which he became sick from a bad kebab and left the room to use the toilet. He claimed to be listening to music on his iPod while using the facilities and thus did not hear the killer enter the house.[49] He did, however, hear Kercher scream,[49] and emerged to see the murderer, an Italian man whom he did not know, stabbing Kercher. As the man escaped, he said "You're in trouble, you black bastard"[49] after which Guede claims to have been so frightened that he fled the scene and made his way to Germany. [50] The investigators stated that Guede's version of events was "a highly improbable fantasy."[49]

Guede was observed dancing in a nightclub later on the night of the murder. He fled to Germany shortly thereafter, but was tracked by computer and apprehended by authorities after emailing a contact suggesting that he was in need of financial assistance. The German transport police arrested Guede on a train near Wiesbaden, Germany, where he was caught riding without a ticket.[46]

[edit] Trials and conviction
Guede elected for a "fast track" trial on 16 October 2008. On 28 October 2008 he was found guilty of murdering and sexually assaulting Meredith Kercher and sentenced to 30 years in prison. Guede is appealing the conviction.[51] The appeal started in November 2009; a verdict is not expected to be reached until 2010.[52]

The trial of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito began on 16 January 2009 with much attention from the media; both Knox's and Sollecito's lawyers used the occasion to proclaim their clients' innocence. Guede has declined to testify in the trial.[53] During the first session, judge Giancarlo Massei rejected a request by the Kercher family to hold the trial behind closed doors. He ruled that the trial will be public, but closed sessions will be decided on a case-by-case basis.[54]

Running concurrent with the criminal trial are two civil trials. The family of Kercher has filed a civil suit for $33 million against anyone found guilty of the murder.[55] Patrick Lumumba, the man Knox originally accused of murdering Kercher, is suing Knox for more than half a million dollars in damages.[55]

Knox testified for the first time on 12 June 2009, pleading her innocence. She told the court that she had been with Sollecito in his apartment on the night of the murder. She also made claims, that have not been substantiated, that the police had intimidated and beaten her, causing her to give false testimony and to falsely accuse Patrick Lumumba.[56][57]

The lead prosecutor in the case, Giuliano Mignini, has previously been the subject of abuse-of-office charges, though those charges did not result in conviction. These charges stemmed from "unauthorized wiretapping of journalists and others" conducted by Mignini and his law enforcement colleagues during the investigation of the Monster of Florence serial killings in the 1970s and 1980s.[58]

Nearing the close of the proceedings, a local paper in the Italian region of Umbria (Corriere dell'Umbria) reported that a consultant to the defense, using an instrument called a "crimescope", discovered forensic evidence that had not previously been known. This evidence consisted of stains on a pillow found underneath the body of Kercher, and is considered to be potentially volatile evidence that could be highly damaging to either side in the case. However, as of October 19, 2009, this discovery has yet to be deemed credible enough to interrupt the court's proceedings, as the period for introducing evidence has passed.[59]

Italy sure has some strange ways with regard to trials......:roll:
 
Re: Amanda Knox murder trial in Italy - verdict could come any day. Guilty, or innoc

I just heard the verdict is in, and will be released at midnight, Italian time ( 6pm eastern time, US ). Also, that in Italy, a unanimous decision is not required.
 
Re: Amanda Knox murder trial in Italy - verdict could come any day. Guilty, or innoc

Amanda and Raffaele both opted for the longer trial.



Will the verdict for both of them be released today? It is a dual trial, right? Or do they have separate juries, etc?
 
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I just heard the verdict is in, and will be released at midnight, Italian time ( 6pm eastern time, US ). Also, that in Italy, a unanimous decision is not required.

Or the presiding judge can overturn the jury....
Either way!......:shock:
 
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Will the verdict for both of them be released today? It is a dual trial, right? Or do they have separate juries, etc?

It's a dual trial and the verdict will be for both. It's possible they may get different jail sentences if found guilty. On top of all the charges they both are accused of, I think Amanda has the additional charge of slander for claiming that police hit her during questioning. I don't know if it will released today, the deliberations went on quite late. I'm checking the Italian news websites, but no news as of yet.
 
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I just heard the verdict is in, and will be released at midnight, Italian time ( 6pm eastern time, US ). Also, that in Italy, a unanimous decision is not required.

That's true. All they need is a majority vote, which I think is so wrong.
 
Re: Amanda Knox murder trial in Italy - verdict could come any day. Guilty, or innoc

Guilty, says BBC -



Amanda Knox guilty of Meredith Kercher murder

American student Amanda Knox and her former boyfriend have been found guilty by an Italian court of the murder of British student Meredith Kercher.

Knox was jailed for 26 years and Raffaele Sollecito, 25, for 25 years after a jury found them both guilty of murder and sexual violence.

Miss Kercher, 21, a Leeds University student from Surrey, was found with her throat slit in Perugia in 2007.

Knox, 22, had denied killing Miss Kercher during a sex game.

The verdict of the jury, who included two judges, was confirmed by the trial judge

BBC News - Amanda Knox guilty of Meredith Kercher murder
 
Re: Amanda Knox murder trial in Italy - verdict could come any day. Guilty, or innoc

It's really hard to say. I don't have all the facts and such which have been presented, but it didn't seem like a particularly strong case against her. Rather, it seemed mostly circumstantial with no real proof. But as I said, I didn't have all the facts; maybe there was enough evidence for the conviction. But I really like the American court system well better. Makes the State's job hard. I mean

Prosecutors argued Seattle, Washington native Amanda Knox was a resentful American so angry with her British roommate that she exacted revenge during a twisted sex misadventure at their home two years ago.

Really? That doesn't seem to be a proper prosecution charge, and some of the evidence seemed doubtful. I don't know if justice was really served here.

BTW, why the hell were jurors wearing sashes with the Italian colors?
 
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Talk about Kangaroo court....:shock:
Twenty six years on no evidence?....:doh
It only justifies my belief that the Unied States is the GREATEST COUNTRY THE WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN......;)
Maybe Huckabee can pardon her.....:mrgreen:
 
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It's really hard to say. I don't have all the facts and such which have been presented, but it didn't seem like a particularly strong case against her. Rather, it seemed mostly circumstantial with no real proof. But as I said, I didn't have all the facts; maybe there was enough evidence for the conviction. But I really like the American court system well better. Makes the State's job hard.

Be that as it may, the bungled cover up they attempted didn't help them. In a real struggle where an assailant got in by breaking the glass, there would be glass under the mess, not on top as the struggle comes after. I agree though that the knife argument was weak. Especially since they both lived there are likely used it for mundane things on a weekly basis.
 
Re: Amanda Knox murder trial in Italy - verdict could come any day. Guilty, or innoc

guilty!!!!!!
 
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Wasn't someone else already convicted of the murder? If so she's innocent.

It's a facist, Italian, kangaroo court. The US needs to have that lady shipped home.
 
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It's a facist, Italian, kangaroo court. The US needs to have that lady shipped home.

Because they didn't coddle a pampered and out of control American girl? :rolleyes:
 
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Because they didn't coddle a pampered and out of control American girl? :rolleyes:

What makes her pampered and out of control?
 
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Talk about Kangaroo court....:shock:
Twenty six years on no evidence?....:doh
It only justifies my belief that the Unied States is the GREATEST COUNTRY THE WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN......;)
Maybe Huckabee can pardon her.....:mrgreen:
Surely you jest.
We have no BMW, but we do have Huckabee.
We have no Toyota, but be do have a Rush Limbaugh.
We never had a William Shakespeare, but we do have a Shakespeare rod and reel.
We may have the world's finest court system, yet, where is OJ Simpson?
And there is no sense in talking about our health care system..
Yes, we do have a great nation, but it could be a lot better.:mrgreen:
 
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Because they didn't coddle a pampered and out of control American girl? :rolleyes:

That's exactly what this case seems to be about. "She must be a murderess because she likes sex...and did we mention she's American?" I am very disillusioned with the Italian justice system right now.

I just stopped by to say that. Now, back to my self-imposed exile from this forum...
 
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Well one on hand, people wine that Europe is too soft because most countries there don't have capital punishment, but now everyone's whining that Europe unfairly convicts people without enough evidence. Go figure. :lol:
 
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Maybe Huckabee can pardon her.....:mrgreen:

As long as she has found JEEEEEEEEEEEZUZ. Or claims to have done so.
 
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