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Is racism wrong?

Is racism wrong?

  • Yes

    Votes: 88 83.8%

  • No

    Votes: 15 14.3%

  • There is no such thing as racism

    Votes: 2 1.9%
  • Total voters
    105
freedomofusa said:
It is a given that discriminating on races is wrong, but so is affirmative action. To have racial quotas is racism in itself. For companies and schools to only be allowed to accept a certain amount of each race causes people to look at the race and not the skills.

To be racist is just superficial- ME.

"The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws."
Ayn Rand
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Quotas were invented because they are needed and until they are no longer needed? I will support them. Man and man alone has themselves to thank for quotas.
 
Kali said:
Quotas were invented because they are needed and until they are no longer needed? I will support them. Man and man alone has themselves to thank for quotas.
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Are they still needed though? How do we know when they aren't?

As for "man" thanking himself for quotas, I didn't do anything to justify discriminating against me to meet a quota.
 
misterman said:
Are they still needed though? How do we know when they aren't?

As for "man" thanking himself for quotas, I didn't do anything to justify discriminating against me to meet a quota.
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As long as there are still racist, sexist people like Rush? We still need em;)
 
Kali said:
As long as there are still racist, sexist people like Rush? We still need em;)
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We need quotas because there are racists out there spewing hatred? That's your reason?

Sorry, but quotas aren't designed to stop racism, they are designed to minimize the effects of racial discrimination. Huge difference.
 
freedomofusa said:
It is a given that discriminating on races is wrong, but so is affirmative action. To have racial quotas is racism in itself. For companies and schools to only be allowed to accept a certain amount of each race causes people to look at the race and not the skills.
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Racial quotas are discriminating, but not necessarily racist. Affirmative action does not mean quotas, race-based quotas are illegal in the US.
There is no law which limits the "amount" of each race permitted in companies and schools.
Affirmative action means quotas.
I recommend you do a bit of background reading on this.


"The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws."
Ayn Rand
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Is this supposed to have something to do with racism? I don't see the relevance of this quote.
 
roderic said:
Racial quotas are discriminating, but not necessarily racist. Affirmative action does not mean quotas, race-based quotas are illegal in the US.
There is no law which limits the "amount" of each race permitted in companies and schools.
Affirmative action means quotas.
I recommend you do a bit of background reading on this.


Is this supposed to have something to do with racism? I don't see the relevance of this quote.
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AA is just another GUBMINT handout.......;)
 
Damn, 356 posts to figure out if racism is wrong? Can't you people figure anything out without my help? Some people could find their ass with a map. :lol:
 
By Racism do you mean that it is . . .

Ethically wrong?

Logically wrong(?)?

Factually wrong?

Morally wrong?

Spiritually wrong?

I'll make the assumption that the question does not ask if it is legally wrong.

And for whom is it wrong?

The Individual doing the racism?

The recipient of the racism?

Is it a group wrong?
 
roderic said:
Racial quotas are discriminating, but not necessarily racist.
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Of course they're racist. They are meant to be good, but they are policies based on race, and therefore racist.
 
Shadow Serious said:
By Racism do you mean that it is . . .

Ethically wrong?

Logically wrong(?)?

Factually wrong?

Morally wrong?

Spiritually wrong?

I'll make the assumption that the question does not ask if it is legally wrong.
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The answer is D. All of the above.

Shadow Serious said:
And for whom is it wrong?

The Individual doing the racism?

The recipient of the racism?
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Again, the answer is D.

Shadow Serious said:
Is it a group wrong?
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Only if a group is guilty of it. Otherwise, it is an individual wrong.
 
Now that I give this some thought---I may feel racism is wrong, --but to be perfectly Honest, if other people feel differently than I do about the subject, I really can't say they are wrong in doing so. Who am I to judge?? :mrgreen:
 
misterman said:
Of course they're racist. They are meant to be good, but they are policies based on race, and therefore racist.
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Policies based on race are racist?
That's a misconception, you'd need to look at the particulars to establish if a policy is racist or not.
Both quotas and AA are policies based on race.
Quotas are illegal in the US, because someone who does not meet specified qualifications may be preferred to someone who does solely based on 'race' - this is not so with AA.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
We will never fix things, never reach the next level unless we "unite humanity" in the goal of social, legal and life justice for all humans, and common goals/dreams for our future.
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There are no "common" dreams or goals for the future. Never have been; never will be. This is utopianist, anti-intellectual pap.

You proceed from an extremely flawed concept of human nature.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Racism is natural... But we should all know better than to act natural. Afterall, we dont go around killing people, and we live in somewhat of a civilisation.

We will never fix things, never reach the next level unless we "unite humanity" in the goal of social, legal and life justice for all humans, and common goals/dreams for our future.
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I feel like I should be listening to the Mormon Tabernacle Choir and looking at a sunny blue sky while I read this.
 
One of the biggest objections I have with my School education, is they taught us "Utopia" is impossible. They are wrong. It just takes better People to pull it off.
 
Well, I'm once again confused. they have changed the rules one more time. Negro which was a name of respect, is now wrong.--I give up. I'll just say "Hey you, dummy," from now on.
 
roderic said:
Policies based on race are racist?
That's a misconception, you'd need to look at the particulars to establish if a policy is racist or not.
Both quotas and AA are policies based on race.
Quotas are illegal in the US, because someone who does not meet specified qualifications may be preferred to someone who does solely based on 'race' - this is not so with AA.
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Affirmative Action (I'm assuming you're not referring to Alcoholics Anonymous) is a both a quota program and a racist program.
 
Kali said:
Quotas were invented because they are needed and until they are no longer needed? I will support them. Man and man alone has themselves to thank for quotas.
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Quotas were not needed. The presumption that a private company's hring practices should be dictated by ANY external agency is absurd. This is a free country. The jobs the employers get filled are owned by...the employer, not the employee. Since the job is the employer's, he's got every freedom under the Constitution to put Woody Woodpecker in that position, if it makes him happy.

Period. Affirmative Action programs can be justified when applied to federal positions only, but not even then, since the purpose the government was established was to promote freedom and equality before the law. Discriminating via law is anti-thetical to the national ideal.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Affirmative Action (I'm assuming you're not referring to Alcoholics Anonymous) is a both a quota program and a racist program.
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No, quotas are one form of AA, but not the only one. AA can also mean programs to reach out to and find qualified minority candidates and get them to apply for a position. Roderic is correct. I was referring to quotas in my original post.
 
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Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Quotas were not needed. The presumption that a private company's hring practices should be dictated by ANY external agency is absurd. This is a free country. The jobs the employers get filled are owned by...the employer, not the employee. Since the job is the employer's, he's got every freedom under the Constitution to put Woody Woodpecker in that position, if it makes him happy.
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Does that extend to regular old discrimination too?
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Affirmative Action (I'm assuming you're not referring to Alcoholics Anonymous) is a both a quota program and a racist program.
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It's actually neither, where you live.

The US Supreme Court ruled that affirmative action was unfair if it led to reverse discrimination, in 1978.
 
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