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What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

What is the Most Powerful Nation in Europe?

  • Bundesrepublik Deutschland (Federal Republic of Germany)

    Votes: 36 42.4%
  • United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

    Votes: 33 38.8%
  • Cinquième République de la France (Fifth Republic of France)

    Votes: 6 7.1%
  • other

    Votes: 10 11.8%

  • Total voters
    85
And on top of that, Russia is known for not really fighting the enemy face-to-face unless they know they can win. They typically let the enemy conquer a lot of their land because they can afford to. And then strike them once the enemy is too far in and the winter freezes their butts off.

Well considering the land mass they rule over (albiet ineffectively due to its pathetic size), boarders are hard to protect and Russia is a very hard country to defend. Sometimes its best to wait for the enemy to come to you instead of wasting your time scurrying around in 3 continents trying to protect the motherlands boarders.
 
Turkey is very militarized and have a lot of military equipment, high population in military age, and experience.
Turkey has a decent Western army.
There's nothing in it that makes it stronger than Germany, however, since the weapons it uses are mostly class-b high-tech weapons, and hence, I would give it no more than the fifth place, if including Russia. (Since Turkey, just like Russia, is also not really on European soil, at least not majorly)
 
Americans want to believe it is Great Britain, but most Europeans and geopolitical analysts say it is Germany. What do you think?

Where did this originate?
Define powerful.
No, matter, most Americans who care, and have a real high school education, would say "Russia", if we are discussing military...
 
When was the last time the Swiss were relevant?

Define relevant.

What absolute anti-American garbage. Europe has been right there with us most of the time. Don't pretend like it's all America's fault. Y'all were right there too.

I dont, I just say the facts. We Europeans constantly on these boards and in the US media get the WW2 jive.

Who's bringing up WW II now?

You.
 
Turkey has a decent Western army.
There's nothing in it that makes it stronger than Germany, however, since the weapons it uses are mostly class-b high-tech weapons, and hence, I would give it no more than the fifth place, if including Russia. (Since Turkey, just like Russia, is also not really on European soil, at least not majorly)

For the record, this dude or Maximus was NOT Turkish last time i checked. ;)
 
Its not all about having the least regulation making the best place. Actually people are quite stupid, and companies dont mind making their profits over the corpses of millions of people. I am happy we have strong regulation in Europe.

Europe dont dislike capitalism, we love capitalism, its the freest least oppressed market in the world, and by far the biggest and most diverse, and its capitalist!
But in ADDITION to capitalism we also have socialism, which simply makes Europe much better and fair than America.

Businesses flee EU? Ridiculous, Europe is becoming the best place in the world for business and its by far the best and most diverse contient of the world for investments. The only businesses that flee are the crooked ones, and they flee to the US and the UK(the people who steal money from honest workers), and China(production slaves with less regulation of labour than Europe). Good f***ing riddance!
This entire discussion seems infantile.
Is there any statistical proof for any of this??; or is it the result of seeing things thru "rose colored glasses".
I do, at this time, agree with you about socialism - we do need more of this in America.
Follow the trail of immigration.
 
You might want to search up Jersey Garrison. Its location could be very advantegous against any French attack especially to any Naval force or air support. As for the Frenchies, they'd be hard pressed even reaching our shores without taking a very heavy toll.

Again so what. It is no like the UK is a prime target for anyone in Europe. We kinda got that out of our system in WW2

No, France asks why. And thats just about it. Regardless, keeping our cousins happy is just a gaurentee any European power is going to have to reshape their boarders if they think they could attack the UK. I definetly wouldnt put it past the Germans though. They dont have the flexibility or the experience to match up with the British.

Again, what European nation would attack the UK, let alone anyone else in the EU... it is just theoretical bs.. might as well discuss New York attacking New Jersey :)

Are you speaking from first hand experience? :mrgreen:

Actually in part from facts. If you look at the average Turk over 30, they are relatively shorter than Danes. This is because of diet and "poverty" in Turkey vs Denmark. You see the same between Danes and Spanish and so on. It is especially evident among women.
 
Know what :confused:

EDIT: What is the military force of the Spaniards like, for anybody who knows?

Its a self defence force with active professionals. Spain has considerable numbers of troops in Afghanistan (and has had most killed per capita of any nation). As for size it is not as large as under Franco :). However it is with reserves and para military forces its military is larger than the UK's.
 
Again so what. It is no like the UK is a prime target for anyone in Europe. We kinda got that out of our system in WW2.
Would you please stop bringing WWII in?

Thank you.

:2razz:
 
That Maxima Zeebrus is not Turkish.

Lol no, i wrote this:

Turkey should have been put on the list. They have one of the most powerful army in Europe.

And then stalin_was_a_nice_being replied with this:

are you just saying that because you are of Turkish descent?

And then you made a post backing up what i said and Maxiumus, so i said you or Maximus are not Turkish so its not just my Bias talking.
 
Would you please stop bringing WWII in?

Thank you.

:2razz:

Hey this time it was not used as an attack, just as a fact :) And will you please stop reminding me to not bring WW2 up..

Damit you did it again!.. all your fault!!!!
 
Lol no, i wrote this:



And then stalin_was_a_nice_being replied with this:



And then you made a post backing up what i said and Maxiumus, so i said you or Maximus are not Turkish so its not just my Bias talking.
Oh, you could have avoided the confusion by using the sign ^ when quoting my post - I was sure you were talking to me. :2razz:
 
Germany has a STRONGER ARMY. It could easily defeat GB if it were 1v1.
Like it did during WW2, or WW1 ?
So silly.
What concerns me is the German penchant for quality , as usual, they are making the best of everything....And what are we doing?
At least we seem to have the world's finest agriculture, thanks to our people and our governments.
 
This entire discussion seems infantile.
Is there any statistical proof for any of this??; or is it the result of seeing things thru "rose colored glasses".
I do, at this time, agree with you about socialism - we do need more of this in America.
Follow the trail of immigration.

Where do crooked businesses flee to? The place with most regulations?

NO. Thats the proof.

Where do people get exploited the most? The market with the strictest labour laws?

No. Thats proof.

Europe by far has the broadest, strictest, best and most regulations concerning business and corporate behaviour and relations between corporations and labours.

In addition, Europe is in the top when it comes to global firms, production, exports, manufacturing, high tech, implementation and so fourth. What more proof do you need than the simple reality seen without "rose coloured glasses"?
 
Like it did during WW2, or WW1 ?
So silly.
What concerns me is the German penchant for quality , as usual, they are making the best of everything....And what are we doing?
At least we seem to have the world's finest agriculture, thanks to our people and our governments.

Dont forget that Europe have fine agriculture as well :2razz:

Anyways, the US have some fine universities. :mrgreen:
 
Like it did during WW2, or WW1 ?
So silly.
What concerns me is the German penchant for quality , as usual, they are making the best of everything....And what are we doing?
At least we seem to have the world's finest agriculture, thanks to our people and our governments.

I don't think their forte is quality as much as it is mass production.
 
Where do crooked businesses flee to? The place with most regulations?

NO. Thats the proof.

Where does business flourish? In the most oppressive of all markets, where business and inovention are punished and regulated?

No. That's the proof.

Where do people get exploited the most? The market with the strictest labour laws?

No. Thats proof.

Where are people best able to engage in the system? To compete for themselves and build for themselves their own wealth? Where are people allowed to fairly compete amongst each other, bolstering labor and production? The places with the most restrictive, socialist of all laws? Where people can't be fired and young people have problems getting jobs?

No. That's the proof.


Europe by far has the broadest, strictest, best and most regulations concerning business and corporate behaviour and relations between corporations and labours.

In addition, Europe is in the top when it comes to global firms, production, exports, manufacturing, high tech, implementation and so fourth. What more proof do you need than the simple reality seen without "rose coloured glasses"?

In addition, America is one of the largest producers of high tech along with exporting large amounts of agricultural goods across the world. What more proof do you need than the simple reality seen by eyes unclouded by hate.
 
Where does business flourish? In the most oppressive of all markets, where business and inovention are punished and regulated?

No. That's the proof.

West European countries are market leaders in all segment, we have the biggest global companies. Europe is quite innovative, but yes lagging behind the US. That is the only US strenght over Europe, invention and innovation. But that will turn around with time also. To answer your question however, business is flourishing in all of eastern Europe, north and south. Business is and has for a long time flourished in places like Ireland, Spain.. All of Europe is flourishing for business actually, and our business regulations and ease of doing business is improving every year.

Where are people best able to engage in the system?

What do you mean? I suppose I should answer something ordinary like creating a business, being part of creating a business, taking part in politics, or all other areas that you would say about the US. Mention one area where US people better can engage in the system than Europe. Perhaps you dont know it, but Europe is not only the freest market in the world, but also the best regulated one.

To compete for themselves and build for themselves their own wealth?

We have many billionaires, millionaires and so fourth, just like America. Actually I believe even with our socialist policies we about equal Americans in billionaires and millionaires.

Forbes.com - Business News, Financial News, Stock Market Analysis, Technology & Global Headline News if you dont believe me.

Where are people allowed to fairly compete amongst each other, bolstering labor and production?

Everywhere. But we are also free to take hollidays without risk of getting fired, and we are allowed to work in a safe environment with strong labour laws and protection. The European labour market is far more flexible than you believe. We have a minimum of hollidays we have to take every year and those are PAID. We also have a maximum of hours we can work in a row, in a week, in a month, a year an so fourth. We actually have the most generous system, while at the same time at least, if not far better businesses than in the US.

The places with the most restrictive, socialist of all laws?

What is wrong with helping the weak? Should we just throw them on the streets like Americans? Should we just exploit people and use them as human garbage afterwards, like you even do your heroes(vietnam veterans who fought for the country)?

What is wrong with paying unemployment, what is wrong with mandatory health care for everyone? In addition to mandatory health care, people are also free to choose private health care. Yes we have that also.

Where people can't be fired and young people have problems getting jobs?

No. That's the proof.

On the contrary people CAN be fired, they just have to be payed. Companies cant just fire people as they want, if it was like that, it would suck big time.

European under 25 unemployment stands at 20.7%, while American under 25 unemployment stands at 19.1. What is your point? Not a dramatic difference in my opinion.

http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_PUBLIC/3-01122009-AP/EN/3-01122009-AP-EN.PDF

Last page.


In addition, America is one of the largest producers of high tech along with exporting large amounts of agricultural goods across the world.

So what? Europe is also that.
 
West European countries are market leaders in all segment, we have the biggest global companies. Europe is quite innovative, but yes lagging behind the US. That is the only US strenght over Europe, invention and innovation. But that will turn around with time also. To answer your question however, business is flourishing in all of eastern Europe, north and south. Business is and has for a long time flourished in places like Ireland, Spain.. All of Europe is flourishing for business actually, and our business regulations and ease of doing business is improving every year.
All of Europe is suffering just as much as the US during this time, and I have serious doubts Europe could become energy dependent if it wanted to. The US has the potential to become an energy giant it doesnt want to.

What do you mean? I suppose I should answer something ordinary like creating a business, being part of creating a business, taking part in politics, or all other areas that you would say about the US. Mention one area where US people better can engage in the system than Europe. Perhaps you dont know it, but Europe is not only the freest market in the world, but also the best regulated one.
There may be a lot of regulation but that doesn't mean that it makes it one of the best.


We have many billionaires, millionaires and so fourth, just like America. Actually I believe even with our socialist policies we about equal Americans in billionaires and millionaires.
Good because Europe as a whole has 700+ million people and the US just a little over 300million.
Everywhere. But we are also free to take hollidays without risk of getting fired, and we are allowed to work in a safe environment with strong labour laws and protection. The European labour market is far more flexible than you believe. We have a minimum of hollidays we have to take every year and those are PAID. We also have a maximum of hours we can work in a row, in a week, in a month, a year an so fourth. We actually have the most generous system, while at the same time at least, if not far better businesses than in the US.
That is somewhere Europe has us beat.
What is wrong with helping the weak? Should we just throw them on the streets like Americans? Should we just exploit people and use them as human garbage afterwards, like you even do your heroes(vietnam veterans who fought for the country)?
No we should, and again Europe has us beat here.
What is wrong with paying unemployment, what is wrong with mandatory health care for everyone? In addition to mandatory health care, people are also free to choose private health care. Yes we have that also.
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So what? Europe is also that.
Not on the scale of America, and America has secret research going on much much more advance than whatever the Europeans have. Plus, we still have the ability to produce more food and more natural resources, the same can't be said for Europe.
 
I couldn't help but laugh that there is this whole debate on which continent is better the whole US or all of Europe. It is impossible to compare all what I do know is that we in the US haven't reached our potential and I can't say the same for the Europeans. Their through:lol:
 
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