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Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?


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Well, Well, Well. Wonder where the idea for this thread started?

Take a look at the time posted. 7:33 PM. You know what was on TV?

The O'Reilly Factor. In fact, right around 7:30, Bill was doing a story about this EXACT topic, featuring none other than Ann Coulter.

Navy, get more original next time.

I'm going to monitor all of your threads and cross-reference them to what's on Fox.

O' Reilly was promoting the idea? Figures.
 
O' Reilly was promoting the idea? Figures.

No, because you know Bill is a journalist...he is always objective.

Ann Coulter was his guest. You do the math.
 
If anything, I believe a 'religious revolution' would do far more harm to evangelicals than it would to social progressives. Keep in mind this is a revolution we are talking about here, so I think the following scenarios are quite likely under such a circumstance. Forget marriage entirely - I imagine that a religious revolution would seek to eliminate the rights of homosexuals to even practice homosexuality, given that it is viewed as 'wrong' by those types of folks. If abortion was to be outlawed, those who could afford to travel to Europe or any nation where it was legal would simply go elsewhere to have it done. Those that could not would have one via the 'back alley' method. And then there is forced prayer in school. Nevermind that America now has plenty of children from folks who practice other religions, or don't practice one at all. The Christian religion will be rammed down your throat in a public school system. After you are 18, you can make the choice to not worship, but until then you'll pray to Jesus in a public school, and you'll like it.

'Separation of church and state' would be written out of American history books, as that tends to give liberals crazy ideas like religious freedom and individual liberty. And speaking of crazy ideas, there's that whole Scopes Monkey Trial thing. We can't have a little Evolution getting in the way of Creationism, no sir!

No, I believe it wouldn't take too much of that kinda stuff before this whole 'religious revolution' thing ends up in the social dumpster, and is utterly rejected by the masses. However, don't get me wrong here - a little religion can be a good thing. When it feeds the poor, shelters the homeless, gives folks hope and encourages kindness towards others, that's good stuff. When it shuts down the local titty bars, tries to dictate who can and can't get married, and tells me how I should live my life, then it's a bad thing. A kinder, gentler Christianity - that's what America needs. Forget the whole 'revolution' thing.
 
Had the question been is there likely to be a serious series of violent conflicts between Muslims and the General U.S. public I would say all of the pieces are in place for this to happen.

Obama placing the GITMO 5 on trial in N.Y. so they can get off on technicalities will add to the possibility and resentment.
I see this as a blatant attempt placate Muslims and it is no surprise once you see what Obama said this from his Book Audacity of Hope: I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.
 
If anything, I believe a 'religious revolution' would do far more harm to evangelicals than it would to social progressives. Keep in mind this is a revolution we are talking about here, so I think the following scenarios are quite likely under such a circumstance. Forget marriage entirely - I imagine that a religious revolution would seek to eliminate the rights of homosexuals to even practice homosexuality, given that it is viewed as 'wrong' by those types of folks. If abortion was to be outlawed, those who could afford to travel to Europe or any nation where it was legal would simply go elsewhere to have it done. Those that could not would have one via the 'back alley' method. And then there is forced prayer in school. Nevermind that America now has plenty of children from folks who practice other religions, or don't practice one at all. The Christian religion will be rammed down your throat in a public school system. After you are 18, you can make the choice to not worship, but until then you'll pray to Jesus in a public school, and you'll like it.

'Separation of church and state' would be written out of American history books, as that tends to give liberals crazy ideas like religious freedom and individual liberty. And speaking of crazy ideas, there's that whole Scopes Monkey Trial thing. We can't have a little Evolution getting in the way of Creationism, no sir!

No, I believe it wouldn't take too much of that kinda stuff before this whole 'religious revolution' thing ends up in the social dumpster, and is utterly rejected by the masses. However, don't get me wrong here - a little religion can be a good thing. When it feeds the poor, shelters the homeless, gives folks hope and encourages kindness towards others, that's good stuff. When it shuts down the local titty bars, tries to dictate who can and can't get married, and tells me how I should live my life, then it's a bad thing. A kinder, gentler Christianity - that's what America needs. Forget the whole 'revolution' thing.

But why would it necessarily advocate social conservative values when a revolution could just as well advocate social liberalism?
 
17 to 1. That is an incredible statistic. You cannot get people on this board to agree on anything, except apparently that NP is wrong on this.
 
Depends on what you mean by "revolution". There's already a "revolution" of sorts going on, the non-religious revolution. The fastest growing segment of the population is the "no religion" group. I think it will continue until religious people make up no more than 50%, if that.
 
I certainly hope not. Running our country on the basis of religious laws and/or morals is (and will always remain) a bad idea.
 
I only wish religous conservatives focused as much on things Jesus actually cared about, like feeding the poor and helping the needy.
 
I certainly hope not. Running our country on the basis of religious laws and/or morals is (and will always remain) a bad idea.

Really? The Great Awakenings are credited with instilling democratic values to first white male Americans after the Puritan era, and then to abolitionists prior to the Civil War.
 
I only wish religous conservatives focused as much on things Jesus actually cared about, like feeding the poor and helping the needy.

I believe that religious conservatives have been proven to donate more to charity than any other group, so....
 
Well, Well, Well. Wonder where the idea for this thread started?

Take a look at the time posted. 7:33 PM. You know what was on TV?

The O'Reilly Factor. In fact, right around 7:30, Bill was doing a story about this EXACT topic, featuring none other than Ann Coulter.

Navy, get more original next time.

I'm going to monitor all of your threads and cross-reference them to what's on Fox.

Yes.....there are parrots on this site that wait until their heroes offer and topic and then run here and regurgitate it all back.....Good boy.
 
could be rather difficult what do they wanna push.Anger about divorce that will put a strain on things.

I dont know what the proposal would be people forcing their beliefs on people that they cant follow themselves?
 
But why would it necessarily advocate social conservative values when a revolution could just as well advocate social liberalism?

Because this thread is about a 'religious revolution', not a progressive one. Religious practitioners leaning towards (or in support of) a revolution would obviously be strong social conservatives. That bodes ill for liberal social values.
 
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Because this thread is about a 'religious revolution', not a progressive one. Religious practitioners leaning towards (or in support of) a revolution would obviously be strong social conservatives. That bodes ill for liberal social values.

Religious revolutions can be quite liberalizing, as I have already stated.
 
Everyone can see the friction between the left and the silent majority or the religious right in this country so the question begs to be asked.........

The only difference between your perspective, and mine, is that your revolution is going to end with a whimper, and not a bang, as the silent majority gradually becomes the ever more panicked minority.

Guess what? It's already happening. Evidence? This thread. Fundamentalist Christianity has already lost. It's just going through the slow process of recognizing defeat.
 
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17 to 1. That is an incredible statistic. You cannot get people on this board to agree on anything, except apparently that NP is wrong on this.

Interestingly enough, I think he's actually right. The "revolution" is already occurring, and it's one of slow, gradual decline into obscurity as newer beliefs take over.

Read about the growth of paganism and other alternative beliefs in the U.S. I predict that within 50 years, the majority of Americans will fall into the category of "Spiritual but not religious."

And frankly, that's change I can believe in.
 
Religious revolutions can be quite liberalizing, as I have already stated.

Sometimes, sure. Take the abolition of slavery, for instance. It was condemned as being anti-Christian among many religious groups, but religion wasn't the sole reason for it's condemnation and abolishment.

Also, this thread is about a modern religious revolution, and the issues that would entail. I highlighted a few of these possibilities - outlawing abortion, stripping homosexuals of rights far beyond marriage, forced Christian prayer in school - and there are many more. None of these coincides with liberal social values. As I said, those who advocate a 'religious revolution' tend to be strong social conservatives. There would be more than likely be no liberal social values which would not be attacked.
 
As I said, those who advocate a 'religious revolution' tend to be strong social conservatives. There would be more than likely be no liberal social values which would not be attacked.

The problem (for them) is that they simply do not have the longterm public support and/or the numbers to impose their views on the rest of us like they did back in the 1940s. A revolution can't occur without popular support, which they don't have over the long haul.

Poll any average middle schooler. The overwhelming majority see no reason for gay marriage to remain illegal. That's the future.

Crazy, whackadoo, socially controlling fundamentalism is the past, thank God(dess). They're on their last dying gasps.

What's actually happening is a revolution along different lines, the same kind of revolution that occurred religiously in Europe and the UK over the past 50 years...people have lost interest in the old forms of faith, and essentially abandoned an archaic, unworkable system.

Navy Pride's kicking and screaming is actually a response to his fears that his side has already lost (and they have). Modern culture has already left such irrational views far behind. It wasn't a leftist conspiracy, it was that these views simply don't hold up in a logical and rational world of science and technology. But have fun.
 
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Sometimes, sure. Take the abolition of slavery, for instance. It was condemned as being anti-Christian among many religious groups, but religion wasn't the sole reason for it's condemnation and abolishment.

Also, this thread is about a modern religious revolution, and the issues that would entail. I highlighted a few of these possibilities - outlawing abortion, stripping homosexuals of rights far beyond marriage, forced Christian prayer in school - and there are many more. None of these coincides with liberal social values. As I said, those who advocate a 'religious revolution' tend to be strong social conservatives. There would be more than likely be no liberal social values which would not be attacked.

But say, if there was a revolution (and I argue there isn't one right now), who is to say it will not be a liberal movement? Catz is already making that argument that it will be. Also, there were secular reasons for the abolition of slavery (one of the key properties was a latching onto the Declaration of Independence, while for some, also trashing the Constitution), but one must not discount the power of the religious aspect.
 
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But say, if there was a revolution (and I argue there isn't one right now), who is to say it will not be a liberal movement? Catz is already making that argument that it will be. Also, there were secular reasons for the abolition of slavery (one of the key properties was a latching onto the Declaration of Independence, while for some, also trashing the Constitution), but one must not discount the power of the religious aspect.

A liberal movement is a possibility. But a religious revolution entails conservative social values; after all, if folks are hardcore enough to actually want a revolution, they tend to view current society as too unappealing. I cannot think of many modern liberal social values that evangelicals embrace beyond individual liberty. Can you?
 
I thought we already had our religious revolution.

You know -- the one that began on november 7, 2000 and lasted 8 years?
 
A liberal movement is a possibility. But a religious revolution entails conservative social values; after all, if folks are hardcore enough to actually want a revolution, they tend to view current society as too unappealing. I cannot think of many modern liberal social values that evangelicals embrace beyond individual liberty. Can you?

I see an impending renaissance. And, you can't hold such things back with prairie bonnets, homeschooling, and shotguns.
 
Sometimes, sure. Take the abolition of slavery, for instance. It was condemned as being anti-Christian among many religious groups, but religion wasn't the sole reason for it's condemnation and abolishment.
Among a minority of Christian groups, you mean, until (blatant) slavery became fashionable to oppose. The majority of the faithful supported it. It's no coincidence that today's Bible belt was yesterday's Confederacy. As Jefferson Davis put it, "Slavery was established by decree of Almighty God. It is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation." Unlike some Christians, he actually read the Bible. Such as at 1 Tim. 6:1-2: “Let slaves regard their masters as worthy of all honor." Or Titus 2:9-10: “Be submissive to your master and give satisfaction in every respect." Biblical law on this matter is very straightforward: “Slaves obey your master." (Ephesians 6:5; Colossians 3:22)

Now, if someone actually wants to be a slave (for example, a sex slave, say they're into hardcore BDSM), that's fine with me. But Biblical law, on the other hand, does not require consent on the slave's part. Fathers are even expressly given permission to sell their own daughters into slavery, and the daughters are admonished to obey their fathers without question. Although it is clear that there were Christian abolitionists, it is equally clear that their abolitionism was anything but Bible-based.
 
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