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Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

Did the US adapt the methods, foreign policy and state power of NAZI Germany.

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GySgt said:
You do realize that by starting countless threads about how evil America is you have no room to cry when an American jumps on and throws a punch back. I mean this is a simple concept. What America hating thread does this make for you.....750?
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I dont hate America, you are just to narrow minded to see that. I just want the best for America, and I bet that is about the 80th time I told you that, without you ever getting that into your skull.
 
GySgt said:
You mean colonize the world, start World Wars, and ignore the mess that European borders created? Naziism? A European party. Communism? European party. The love affair of dictators? A European legacy. You see..we inherited your mistakes and have been dealing with them and receiving the blame ever since.



Unaware?

I'm assuming that you are aware of how your past mistakes sucked America in? Not once...not twice...not three times...but three and four times. World War I, World War II, Cold War, Bosnia, and Kosovo all sucked America into your temper tantrums, your inability to play nice, your inability to protect yourself, and your inability to recognize the "Yugoslavian" dangers that ignited World War I.

I believe our blood has made us very aware of your past mistakes.

The U.S. travels its own road. It will make its own mistakes and face them largely alone (something your continent didn't have to do). And lets not pretend that Europe doesn't only concern itself with America's doings only when its cut of our "paved road" and success is threatened.
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Same ****, just this time Europeans and Chinese have to stop Americans, like Americans stopped the Germans.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
I have a good clue what is happening in the US, I hear about it all the time, too much, in many languages from many different media, including US media, Russian media, Chinese media, internet, different European media, even African media. You might be militarist and nationalist, but not fascist, but your government when ruled by the republicans are ALL of them, by democrats socialist instead of fascist, but still militarist and nationalist.
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You problem is that you are relying on a range of foreign and domestic media to inform you about our government. It is not reality. You are getting a distorted view of our country.

So what is it that makes our government fascist when ruled by Republicans?

Here is a snippet from Wikipedia on Fascism:
Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state, with the belief that the majority is unsuited to govern itself through democracy and by reaffirming the benefits of inequality. Fascist governments forbid and suppress openness and opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement. Fascism opposes class conflict, blames capitalism and liberal democracies for its creation and communists for exploiting the concept. Fascism fashioned itself as the "Complete opposite of Marxian socialism..." by rejecting the economic and material conception of history, the fundamental belief of fascism being that human beings are motivated by glory and heroism rather than economic motives, in contrast to the worldview of capitalism and socialism.

In the economic sphere, many fascist leaders have claimed to support a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state socialism. This was to be achieved by establishing significant government control over business and labour (Mussolini called his nation's system "the corporate state"). No common and concise definition exists for fascism and historians and political scientists disagree on what should be in any concise definition
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So?

The same question applies to a Democratically controlled government, like we have now, and your claim that they are socialist.

Here is a snippet from Wikipedia on Socialism:
Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with a method of compensation based on the amount of labor expended.

Most socialists share the view that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and derives its wealth through exploitation, creates an unequal society, does not provide equal opportunities for everyone to maximise their potentialities and does not utilise technology and resources to their maximum potential nor in the interests of the public.
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So?

Maximus Zeebra said:
Interesting thing is that in the US, and Europe we need approval by the government to protest, which removes spontanity. And the police and military is always there directing the protests.
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Well, on protests, they can be quite unruly. The Seattle riots, I think it was for WTO summit, but I am not sure, the protesters destroyed a lot of private property and got way out of hand. In America anyway, getting approval is for safety and not to suppress the demonstrators viewpoints, only suppressing their violence if needed.

Maximus Zeebra said:
I may be exhaggerating often, but I am not that far from the reality.
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You are if you are relying on the media to inform you. Best to rely on credible people you may know who live in the states. I don't know if you count me as credible or not.
 
Hatuey said:
We're not exterminating any particular groups based on ideas of racial superiority. That would be a small but noticeable difference.
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The attitude of the average homogenized white american fellow (which is a stereotype i know) towards islam says something different to me.

I voted no btw, i see little similarity. But of course, in any warring nations you see some similarities.
 
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SE102 said:
The attitude of the average homogenized white american fellow (which is a stereotype i know) towards islam says something different to me.

I voted no btw, i see little similarity. But of course, in any warring nations you see some similarities.
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There are islamic people living in this country who largely do not fear for being rounded up and placed in camps.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
I hope you will. I dont want to be one of those who says ...
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The Sky Is Falling!! ... says Chicken Little. ;)

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Many in Germany compare the U.S. to what they went through up until Hitler's regime.

Many in Germany compare the U.S. 9/11 scheme to the Reichstag Scheme where the german government itself staged an attack on the Parliment building.....
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Besides being a blatent Appeal To Popularity and a logical fallacy... this isn't a conspiracy. :doh

Originally Posted by SE102
The attitude of the average homogenized white american fellow (which is a stereotype i know) towards islam says something different to me.
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Perhaps you hang with a lot of bigots, because the attitude of the average homogenized white american fellow that I know is completely cool with Islam and the average Muslim. Hell, I talk to Muslims daily as do many other white people that I know.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
I dont hate America........
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With a ridiculous amount of condescending and hypocritical threads started that describe an exaggerated description of America and a burning American flag directly to the left of everyone of your posts.....your statement of "I don't hate America" is supposed to what? Fool somebody?

Concern yourself with Europe. You have enough problems in Europe. Pretending that every American stumble equates to historical Europe's global tragedies is pathetic. So is assuming that you are some sort voice of conscience for Americans.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
I am talking about the US, especially since year 2000. I am talking about the methods of the Republican party.
I am talking about things like justifications for going to war, the distortion and propaganda surrounding it. I am talking about the police state, and increased right of the government. I am talking about propaganda and brainwashing in general, I am talking about the agenda of the political class, I am talking about foreign policy.
I am basically asking, did the US learn more FROM NAZI Germany, then BY(the bad example)..
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I'm not going to read thru the 11 page of this thread so if it has already been stated sorry but it needs to be re-stated question what ****ing Drug are you on Huh. Really so the Republican are now Nazi's Hmm interesting way to look at thing and you Sir are a Complete ******* but we won't hold that against you now will we.

Here is a suggesting I dare you to walk up to your local Republican Official and tell him he is a Nazi make sure you video it so we can see you getting your arse handed to you.

What a waste of ban width
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Same ****, just this time Europeans and Chinese have to stop Americans, like Americans stopped the Germans.
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And here it is. Exactly what I blasted you with. Some how, you are able to convince yourself that Germany's World War II era behavior of holocaust, ethnic cleansing, and dictatorship equates to something American has done. Is this where America's few stumbles with waterboarding is supposed to relieve Europe of it's history? Or how our brand of competition and capitalism, which made the western world rich and powerful beyond anything in history, is supposed to be the true source of people's misery (ignoring their own failed cultures of course)? Or how a some prisoners of war in Gitmo, who are fed, issued Qu'rans, and offerred lawyers, is supposed to nurse the European stigma of the German furnaces or the Russian Gulags?

Europeans can't stop anybody from doing anything (proven over and over again) and China is one of the most oppressive nations on earth. But America needs to be saved from these two? Your hatreds, resentments, and jealousies are exactly what other Europeans on this thread deny exists in Europe.
 
From this....

SE102 said:
The attitude of the average homogenized white american fellow (which is a stereotype i know) towards islam says something different to me.
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To this....

SE102 said:
Yes, it is not the America of our grandfathers.
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Today's attitude in America towards Islam comes no where near the attitude shared by Americans against the Japanese. I assume by "grandfathers" you meant to go back that far? There are two ways to see this I think...

1) Today's typical American is more concerned with whether or not his true feeling make him a racist or a bigot. He will deny himself the ability to learn about the enemy or the civilization all in the name of politicial correctness or a sense of thinkning himself superior over others (but claiming he is not and that we are all equal).

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2) Giving the typical American the benefit of the doubt, he/she knows the difference between the enemy and the average Muslim (but won't go any further than that to truly look at the situation). He will state that while we do have a "global Islamic problem in this world today, the average Muslim is not the problem."

But either way you go...there are no Muslim camps in America like there were Japanese camps. No rounding up of Muslims like there was for the Japanese. Hell, for fear of being labeled a Muslim hunter or some sort of unpoliticially correct anti-American monster by the masses, the U.S. Army allowed itself to get shot the hell up one of its bases a few weeks back, didn't it?

Your opinion that this is not the "America of our grandfathers" is senseless. Meaning that its not really grounded in a historical sense of things. But the average person always falls into the trap of assuming his time period in history is the absolute worst or the very definition of all that evil must be attributed to somebody or some organization in the now.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Perhaps you hang with a lot of bigots, because the attitude of the average homogenized white american fellow that I know is completely cool with Islam and the average Muslim. Hell, I talk to Muslims daily as do many other white people that I know.
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Its like the political status quo doesn't exist when you're the exception. That must be nice, Buddha. Anyways if you cared to read I was addressing the stereotype. And did you ever think that if you actually live in a place that has muslims that you don't fit into this category? I see burkas on a daily basis, so what...

be righteous to someone its not wasted on.
 
GySgt said:
From this....



To this....



Today's attitude in America towards Islam comes no where near the attitude shared by Americans against the Japanese. I assume by "grandfathers" you meant to go back that far? There are two ways to see this I think...

1) Today's typical American is more concerned with whether or not his true feeling make him a racist or a bigot. He will deny himself the ability to learn about the enemy or the civilization all in the name of politicial correctness or a sense of thinkning himself superior over others (but claiming he is not and that we are all equal).

-OR-

2) Giving the typical American the benefit of the doubt, he/she knows the difference between the enemy and the average Muslim (but won't go any further than that to truly look at the situation). He will state that while we do have a "global Islamic problem in this world today, the average Muslim is not the problem."

But either way you go...there are no Muslim camps in America like there were Japanese camps. No rounding up of Muslims like there was for the Japanese. Hell, for fear of being labeled a Muslim hunter or some sort of unpoliticially correct anti-American monster by the masses, the U.S. Army allowed itself to get shot the hell up one of its bases a few weeks back, didn't it?

Your opinion that this is not the "America of our grandfathers" is senseless. Meaning that its not really grounded in a historical sense of things. But the average person always falls into the trap of assuming his time period in history is the absolute worst or the very definition of all that evil must be attributed to somebody or some organization in the now.
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I'm sorry, you're insight into the american political psyche of the common man is sounds to me like an insight into yourself. If such an attack had come from muslims in the 1940's (and 9/11 was endlessly compared to pearl harbor) I dont hold a doubt for a minute that muslims would be in camps. Considering the threat comes from within the civilian population, and constitutes attacks on civilians, I don't see how that connection passed you up. I hock it up to your dreamy wishful thinking about americans.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Same ****, just this time Europeans and Chinese have to stop Americans, like Americans stopped the Germans.
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Why would we want to stop America?

Who knew that America would fight our wars and protect our continent from destruction and die beside us and we'd hate them for it?
Especially as a mainland European Maximus where they have first hand account on America's helping hand in the war unlike us Britons, your rhetoric is truly saddening.

MZ your lack of historical knowledge is where your hate has been formulated, and nobody should so much as read your ignorant posts because they are offensive and unfounded arguments.

God bless America :hm :2ukflag:
 
And obviously you have used "China" in this argument to stop the US aswell. Well done for aligning the EU with the most opressive nation on this planet (forget the fact there goddamn commo's even) against our ally.
 
This is why most EU elitists want to create a federated Europe; because they hate and fear the US and by taking away our sovereign to create a superstate, they can get away from this American influence they despise.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Muslims/Arabs? ...
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ENOUGH OF YOUR MINDLESS RHETORIC.

We do not have death camps set up all through the middle east. Your comparrison is wrong and SO ARE YOU.

Cease your rhetoric IMMEDIATELY or get reported.
 
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reefedjib said:
You problem is that you are relying on a range of foreign and domestic media to inform you about our government. It is not reality. You are getting a distorted view of our country.
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Dont think so, I am getting a wide view. Of course, I havent been on the inside, nor have any of the US voters, so we cant really be sure what is REALLY going on.

reefedjib said:
So what is it that makes our government fascist when ruled by Republicans?
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The Republican policies :hm

reefedjib said:
Here is a snippet from Wikipedia on Fascism:
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Dont really digg the whole wikipedia thing man. Those definitions are written by a bunch of uneducated skewed looking crooks. Try encyclopedia Britannica, it stays with the old recognized definitions.


reefedjib said:
The same question applies to a Democratically controlled government, like we have now, and your claim that they are socialist.
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All that doesnt matter when democracy doesnt work, and at this time and age, it doesnt work.

reefedjib said:
Here is a snippet from Wikipedia on Socialism:
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Again? I really prefer the encyclopedia Britannica definition of socialism, its not tainted by negative viewpoints on it.

reefedjib said:
Well, on protests, they can be quite unruly. The Seattle riots, I think it was for WTO summit, but I am not sure, the protesters destroyed a lot of private property and got way out of hand. In America anyway, getting approval is for safety and not to suppress the demonstrators viewpoints, only suppressing their violence if needed.
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Snuggle.


reefedjib said:
You are if you are relying on the media to inform you. Best to rely on credible people you may know who live in the states. I don't know if you count me as credible or not.
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Yes, but with all the Wikipedia and all, hmm. But in the end, why do you think I am on a forum in the first place? Certainly not to get the opinions of the politicians.
 
GySgt said:
With a ridiculous amount of condescending and hypocritical threads started that describe an exaggerated description of America and a burning American flag directly to the left of everyone of your posts.....your statement of "I don't hate America" is supposed to what? Fool somebody?

Concern yourself with Europe. You have enough problems in Europe. Pretending that every American stumble equates to historical Europe's global tragedies is pathetic. So is assuming that you are some sort voice of conscience for Americans.
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Perhaos if you see things in a less simplistic way you will understand. Did the flag fire you up, get you all cosy nationalist defender and all? Flame your feelings about the US?
 
GySgt said:
And here it is. Exactly what I blasted you with. Some how, you are able to convince yourself that Germany's World War II era behavior of holocaust, ethnic cleansing, and dictatorship equates to something American has done.
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Not done.. IS DOING..


GySgt said:
Is this where America's few stumbles with waterboarding is supposed to relieve Europe of it's history?
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Has nothing to do with waterboarding.


GySgt said:
Or how our brand of competition and capitalism, which made the western world rich and powerful beyond anything in history, is supposed to be the true source of people's misery (ignoring their own failed cultures of course)?
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But it is, people in the west are slaves, and we live of the back of the missery of the rest of the world.

GySgt said:
Europeans can't stop anybody from doing anything (proven over and over again) and China is one of the most oppressive nations on earth. But America needs to be saved from these two?
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Wow, your look at reality is just so rose tainted American, and negative anti-Russia/China. Typical same stuff. We good they bad. Ugg ugg.
 
Vader said:
ENOUGH OF YOUR MINDLESS RHETORIC.

We do not have death camps set up all through the middle east. Your comparrison is wrong and SO ARE YOU.

Cease your rhetoric IMMEDIATELY or get reported.
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Aside from the one in gitmo and those in Iraq, do you really have any concept of how many hidden prisons and camps the US has? Are you in control of everything your government and military is doing?

Nor was the Germans, they knew nothing about no concentration camps, just a few "need to know" basis had any idea of what was going on, not even the purpetraitors always knew what was really going on..

You have torture camps and illegal prisons in Iraq and Afganistan CERTAIN.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Dont really digg the whole wikipedia thing man. Those definitions are written by a bunch of uneducated skewed looking crooks. Try encyclopedia Britannica, it stays with the old recognized definitions.
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So post the definition from your encyclopedia and comment on fascism, already. I'm not going to do all your leg work.
 
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Maximus Zeebra said:
Aside from the one in gitmo and those in Iraq, do you really have any concept of how many hidden prisons and camps the US has? Are you in control of everything your government and military is doing?

Nor was the Germans, they knew nothing about no concentration camps, just a few "need to know" basis had any idea of what was going on, not even the purpetraitors always knew what was really going on..

You have torture camps and illegal prisons in Iraq and Afganistan CERTAIN.
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Says who? You?

You offer nothing but baseless supposition and propaganda.
 
SE102 said:
Its like the political status quo doesn't exist when you're the exception. That must be nice, Buddha. Anyways if you cared to read I was addressing the stereotype. And did you ever think that if you actually live in a place that has muslims that you don't fit into this category? I see burkas on a daily basis, so what...

be righteous to someone its not wasted on.
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I think there is a rule against changing somebody's name like that. Now, if you called me "sport" or something, that would be different.

If you cared to understand my counterpoint issued to you, you would read that I was addressing that you are not the authority on what the stereotype actually is, since there is no stereotype except your opinion, hence, your opinion is just that, and it is anything but correct.

Another point, Muslims are everywhere in the USA. In fact, they are worldwide.

If stating that your opinion is invalid makes me righteous, then whatever... but it is certainly not wasted to point out to a person is looking through a narrow scope instead of taking on the bigger picture. *shrugs* I just see a couple of people talking, if you see something else, perhaps you are insecure and have other issues that you should think on. ;)
 
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