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Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

Did the US adapt the methods, foreign policy and state power of NAZI Germany.

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GySgt said:
Perhaps you can shed some light then. Our European critics never criticize without seeking their own past to do it....

Why is it that no matter what America does, there is always the quest to compare America to the worst Europeans have to offer? During the 80s Europeans were fond of expressing how America was going to bring about the end of the world (and mass protests and negative polls ensued). During the 90s Europeans expressed their disgust over Bosnia and Kosovo despite the human carnage that was going igbnored by Europeans before we even got there and forced a hand. And over the last decade we have been compared to Nazis and even as far as labeled as Germany's equivelent.

Always, Europeans seek the worst scenario and attach America to it. My perspective on European "denial" is more about soothing internal turmoils than it is about fantacizing a different past.
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We are so aware of our past that we do not want America to fall in the same traps and commit the same mistakes.
America seemingly isnt that aware of European past mistakes, and are not so wary of commiting the same mistakes we have done in the past.
 
Apocalypse said:
There's also that little difference in the actual action taken by each nation that you've forgotten to mention.
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Like what? What is the big difference in action taken?

Americans are in a crusade against Muslims in general, invading several countries they find stategically good to invade to invade others afterwards, to force their ideology onto them. That is about the same **** the NAZIs tried, just in their case it was jews, homoes and so fourth, not Muslims.
 
Overall no..

Certain aspects yes... but that can be also attributed to fascism and even communism oddly enough.

For example.. the oath of allegiance and the near worship of a flag or other symbols of government... like the military.
 
LaMidRighter said:
A few similarities:
1) Some in our government and people are advocating and even sometimes demanding all out socialism, people tend to forget that the Nazi party was a socialist party.
2) The UHC debate, that was one of the "benevolent" things the Nazi SS party did before alot of innocent people were tortured and slaughtered.
3) Gun control: They instituted it almost immediately, we have nut cases that dare to challenge the second amendment and every once in a while do win some battles, they only have to win big once for that to happen here.
4) Book burning: While it isn't here yet, there are "emergency powers" that were talked about only a few months ago pertaining to any emergency that would fit the president's definition. That thing would be rife with abuse.

Where we differ:
1) No genocide
2) Our "dear leader" is probably not going to be reelected
3) We fight socialism with a fervor, or at least a good bit of us do
4) We attempt to cooperate with other nations, not conquer them, our deeds are sometimes not recieved well, that's life.
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In the case of the US things move much slower over a much longer period of time. People are talking more and more of gun control, it seems more and more likely.
The US republican party being similar doesnt mean identical, doesnt have to be socialism, even though they do support socialism. Its a different ideology, different agenda, with the same methods as the NAZIs used, the same tactics, the same results.
There is no need for book burning when people are mad ignorant in other ways.
No genocide you say? How many arabs/muslims have the US killed since 911, and how many yet to be killed?
It doesnt matter who your leader are, they all work towards the same goal. that is the problems of a two party democracy. No matter who you vote for or against, the policies they agree on will always be implemented, no matter if the people knows about it/support it or not.
You may fight socialism/communism in meaning providing all people with what they need, type of socialism. But the corporations/wall street/banks are the beneifciour of US socialism.
You dont cooperate with other nations, the past 15 years is clear proof of that, you dont even cooperate with allies. You invade countries and try to force them to follow your own ideology, which isnt really a good ideology.
 
Orius said:
Words cannot describe how tired I am of Naziism and Hiter being used as the platform for all arguments. Please pick up a damn history book and learn about something OTHER than WWII.
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Perhaps you should read the history about the past 20-even 50 years of US politics, then read the history about how NAZIs came to power. Then you should read about current events in the US the past 50 years, and the post NAZI current events.

It would scare the **** out of you.
 
What country are you from Maximus Zeebra?
 
LaMidRighter said:
I knew you couldn't figure it out bro. Socialism is state control of the means of production and central planning according to Keynsian economics. While I understand this all is going to go over your head I'll try to slow this down for you.

The government owns a large portion of Chrysler, GM, bank, and insurance company stock right now and are leveraging for more control of their daily operation, that is owning the means of production. Maxine Waters on the floor of the senate basically said she was in favor of the government owning the oil companies here, so you tell me what more you need to complete your understanding bro.
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No. Socialism if fair division of labour, and limitation of the upper class of society. A middle ground between capitalism and communism. Securing that everyone at least have what they need. Things like welfare state(including pension), public health care and such things are socialis ideas.
 
Sov said:
Capitalism as it has ever actually existed has always been in bed with the state. This was true before Keynes was even born.
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The state in the US is owned by the burgeoise class, that is the final step of capitalism.
 
reefedjib said:
This is Bollocks.

You can be nationalistic without being like the nazis. You can favor free-markets and corporations without being like the nazis. You can invade and occupy another county without turning its industries to your favor and thus without being like the nazis.

This is the stupidest, hack poll I have seen at DP. All it does is stroke the ego of it's ideologically corrupted mind of the author.
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Thats not what I am saying. But in the US so many more apspects of politics, governance and the relations between government and people, and the state of the people, makes the similarities strikingly scary.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Thats not what I am saying. But in the US so many more apspects of politics, governance and the relations between government and people, and the state of the people, makes the similarities strikingly scary.
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Bollocks!!!
 
reefedjib said:
What country are you from Maximus Zeebra?
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I am from Norway. One of the biggest "fanboy" countries of the US, blinded by the same propaganda(yes, English is spoken by everyone), and in addition our own propaganda, which supports US propaganda.

Our politicians are doing the same thing as in the US, capturing our country, the political class keeps the people ignorant about the reality, and rather traps them with fancy propaganda, fear, and addictive consumerism. People in my country do not have a soul anymore either, no goals in their lives, just consumerism like in the US. They cant see anything intellectual beyond what is put on them, they have no free thoughts anymore, its all regulated free thinking. We are quite similar to the US, but we are a closed down socialist state as oppose to a nationalist fascist military state.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Muslims/Arabs? ...
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"We're not exterminating any particular groups based on ideas of racial superiority. That would be a small but noticeable difference." - Hauty

We are not attacking Muslims/Arabs out of "racial superiority." We are not trying to exterminate an entire race of people.

Your argument is nothing but a moronic red herring.
 
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Maximus Zeebra said:
I am from Norway. One of the biggest "fanboy" countries of the US, blinded by the same propaganda(yes, English is spoken by everyone), and in addition our own propaganda, which supports US propaganda.
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You should put the fact that you are from Norway, Western Europe in your profile, to distinguish yourself from someone from France say. All government communications and especially communications from political parties is propaganda.

Maximus Zeebra said:
Our politicians are doing the same thing as in the US, capturing our country, the political class keeps the people ignorant about the reality, and rather traps them with fancy propaganda, fear, and addictive consumerism. People in my country do not have a soul anymore either, no goals in their lives, just consumerism like in the US. They cant see anything intellectual beyond what is put on them, they have no free thoughts anymore, its all regulated free thinking. We are quite similar to the US, but we are a closed down socialist state as oppose to a nationalist fascist military state.
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Most people don't question what they are told. I do, and it seems you do too. Except I have seen no evidence that you change your position upon learning new things. I change my opinion as well. I am currently learning about the Due Process Clause and how that was used to justify abortion in this country. I currently don't see it clearly - it is a very confusing piece of Constitutional Amendment. I am pro-choice, but I want each state to decide for themselves. A middleground opinion as it were. There is plenty of information on the internet to learn your way past propaganda.

You live in Norway. You don't have a ****ing clue what happens here in America. You call us a nationalist fascist military state. That is the most asinine thing I have heard all month. We have all types here. There are those who are militarists and nationalists. I am one. This does not mean we are fascist, especially because most people are not militarists or nationalists. The mere fact that we have protests undisturbed against our military operations is clear evidence that we are not some fascist police state. Get real. Don't be an idiot.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Thats not what I am saying. But in the US so many more apspects of politics, governance and the relations between government and people, and the state of the people, makes the similarities strikingly scary.
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Only to people who are idiots and need to wear tin foil hats.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Business cycles have been altered, yes, but I wouldn't necessarily say "controlled" since that is nearly impossible as long as supply and demand is a factor.
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Eliminated does not equal controlled. Bank runs are a thing of the past which is one of, if not the most, important aspects in combating recessions: financial system confidence.

All one has to do is look at economic cycles over the past 130 years or so.
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In the past, the people would have to "suffer" their way out of a recession. Can you imagine this recession without social security and unemployment insurance?
 
Goldenboy219 said:
In the past, the people would have to "suffer" their way out of a recession. Can you imagine this recession without social security and unemployment insurance?
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It would be worse than the great depression.
 
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Noticed the bolded names. Notice the political lean. Count how many issues they agree on. It's safe to say the OP is full of ****.
 
This is easily one of the most asinine OPs on this board that I've seen
 
Hatuey said:
Noticed the bolded names. Notice the political lean. Count how many issues they agree on. It's safe to say the OP is full of ****.
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Nicely put.

Paul
 
Goldenboy219 said:
Eliminated does not equal controlled. Bank runs are a thing of the past which is one of, if not the most, important aspects in combating recessions: financial system confidence.
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Ahh, but, recessions are more prevalent and extend longer now, since Keynsian economics necessarily creates artificial ups and downs, bubbles. Therefore, the only thing predictable is that a recession will happen and the effects will be cyclical and more prolonged. So combating a recession is a false premise since it can be proven that recession is a side effect.



In the past, the people would have to "suffer" their way out of a recession. Can you imagine this recession without social security and unemployment insurance?
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I would rather "suffer" through a very short recession than prolong one, such as we are seeing now, by what can only be described as Keynesian economics on steroids.
 
BTW This may have already been adressed, but Facisism is neither socialism nor market capitalism. The economic system was a bit strange. Hitler appeared to be closest to a Keynesian. Mussolini's government controlled wages, prices, and industrial policy (if that's not government control of the economy, I don't know what is). Not sure about Franco's Spain. If one was to put them on a Nolan chart. Facisists would be in the Authoritarian (if not totalitarian) Left. The ideology is about state control and private property was tolerated as long as one was done as they were told. However, comparing them to contemperory Western Conservatism or Liberalism is a smear on both. Totalitarianism is a bizzare system that has little to do with the current political debates hear or elsewhere in today's politics
 
LaMidRighter said:
Ahh, but, recessions are more prevalent and extend longer now, since Keynsian economics necessarily creates artificial ups and downs, bubbles.
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Wrong! I have already displayed that recessions are less prevalent and frequent. Keynesian economy's protects capitalism from itself. Where are you getting this "artificial ups and downs, bubbles", a hunch?


Therefore, the only thing predictable is that a recession will happen and the effects will be cyclical and more prolonged. So combating a recession is a false premise since it can be proven that recession is a side effect.
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Again, wrong and for the same reasons above. Your premise does not line up with reality.



I would rather "suffer" through a very short recession than prolong one, such as we are seeing now, by what can only be described as Keynesian economics on steroids.
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How very caviler, but for the third time; you are not describing any sort of reality. This recession is not created by Keynesian economics, it was a perfect storm of irresponsibility by consumers, producers, and government. Any attempt of ordinal ranking becomes arbitrary as they would not have existed without each other.
 
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