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Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

Did the US adapt the methods, foreign policy and state power of NAZI Germany.


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This is a Socialist Nation, hoss.

That is absolutely wrong. We are a Representative Republic. It is a type of democracy. As with all types of democracy's it has some elements of socialism, this does not in any way make it a socialist nation.
 
Give us the names of three people in our government advocating all out socialism.
Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barbara Boxer, Maxine Waters, Richard Durbin, Rahm Emmanuel, Barak Hussein Obama, John Kerry, Olympia Snowe, etc.
Need more?
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If these people are socialists so are the Republicans. Capitalists have ALWAYS been in bed with the state.
 
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If these people are socialists so are the Republicans. Capitalists have ALWAYS been in bed with the state.
Nope, that would be Keynsian economics, not those of true capitalists, and yes there are socialist leaning Republicans, but, we are talking about government abuse and socialism, so, if the hammer and sickle fits............
 
Nope, that would be Keynsian economics, not those of true capitalists, and yes there are socialist leaning Republicans, but, we are talking about government abuse and socialism, so, if the hammer and sickle fits............
Capitalism as it has ever actually existed has always been in bed with the state. This was true before Keynes was even born.
 
I am talking about the US, especially since year 2000. I am talking about the methods of the Republican party.
I am talking about things like justifications for going to war, the distortion and propaganda surrounding it. I am talking about the police state, and increased right of the government. I am talking about propaganda and brainwashing in general, I am talking about the agenda of the political class, I am talking about foreign policy.
I am basically asking, did the US learn more FROM NAZI Germany, then BY(the bad example)..

Enough with your anti-American rhetoric.
 
Completely disagree, very few of the points in Keynsian theory actually facilitate capitalism, that is infrastructure projects and a very limited usage. When it comes to regulating a free market, the theory is lacking.
You talk as if there was a free market to begin with. As Kevin Carson puts it in "The Iron Fist Behind the Invisible Hand,"

Capitalism was founded on an act of robbery as massive as feudalism. It has been sustained to the present by continual state intervention to protect its system of privilege, without which its survival is unimaginable.

The current structure of capital ownership and organization of production in our so-called "market" economy, reflects coercive state intervention prior to and extraneous to the market. From the outset of the industrial revolution, what is nostalgically called "laissez-faire", was in fact a system of continuing state intervention to subsidize accumulation, guarantee privilege, and maintain work discipline.

Most such intervention is tacitly assumed by mainstream right-libertarians as part of a "market" system. Although a few intellectually honest ones like Rothbard and Hess were willing to look into the role of coercion in creating capitalism, the Chicago school and Randoids take existing property relations and class power as a given. Their ideal "free market" is merely the current system minus the progressive regulatory and welfare state--i.e., nineteenth century robber baron capitalism. ...

Accordingly, the single biggest subsidy to modern corporate capitalism is the subsidy of history, by which capital was originally accumulated in a few hands, and labor was deprived of access to the means of production and forced to sell itself on the buyer's terms. The current system of concentrated capital ownership and large-scale corporate organization is the direct beneficiary of that original structure of power and property ownership, which has perpetuated itself over the centuries.​
 
You talk as if there was a free market to begin with. As Kevin Carson puts it in "The Iron Fist Behind the Invisible Hand,"
Never heard of him, and frankly, don't think he's anything more than another empty suit. For instance:

Capitalism was founded on an act of robbery as massive as feudalism. It has been sustained to the present by continual state intervention to protect its system of privilege, without which its survival is unimaginable.​
This is class warfare rhetoric and complete nonsense. The structure of capitalism is nothing more than the concept of equitable trade, to say that such a trade is "robbery" shows the guy doesn't have the first clue about natural economic principles such as supply and demand, and obviously he, like other flawed "economists" doesn't care, because he is coming at this from a biased standpoint, not one of scholarship.

The current structure of capital ownership and organization of production in our so-called "market" economy, reflects coercive state intervention prior to and extraneous to the market. From the outset of the industrial revolution, what is nostalgically called "laissez-faire", was in fact a system of continuing state intervention to subsidize accumulation, guarantee privilege, and maintain work discipline.
On this point he is correct, but only sort of, the intervention is what has made modern economics less than viable, while some regulation would be necessary, too much chokes off the market mechanisms that drive consumption and production

Most such intervention is tacitly assumed by mainstream right-libertarians as part of a "market" system. Although a few intellectually honest ones like Rothbard and Hess were willing to look into the role of coercion in creating capitalism, the Chicago school and Randoids take existing property relations and class power as a given. Their ideal "free market" is merely the current system minus the progressive regulatory and welfare state--i.e., nineteenth century robber baron capitalism. ...
Coercion? Like the millions murdered to implement socialism and communism? That kind of coercion?​
 
Of course you haven't.
Yeah, sorry, don't seek out people who use very generic and unoriginal material to make long debunked points, care to bring substance to the rest of my quote, or would you like to concede the argument.
 
Completely disagree, very few of the points in Keynsian theory actually facilitate capitalism, that is infrastructure projects and a very limited usage. When it comes to regulating a free market, the theory is lacking.

Are you saying you disagree that since Keynesian economic policy has been implemented throughout the world, business cycles have been more so "controlled"?

Source?
 
Yeah, sorry, don't seek out people who use very generic and unoriginal material to make long debunked points
"Debunked" in the dreams bouncing around in your Atlas Shrugged addled skull perhaps. It's clear that Carson is very literate in economics and he evinces analytical ability such as I've never seen reflected in your posts.
 
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I am talking about the US, especially since year 2000. I am talking about the methods of the Republican party.
I am talking about things like justifications for going to war, the distortion and propaganda surrounding it. I am talking about the police state, and increased right of the government. I am talking about propaganda and brainwashing in general, I am talking about the agenda of the political class, I am talking about foreign policy.
I am basically asking, did the US learn more FROM NAZI Germany, then BY(the bad example)..

We should never forget the words of Hermann Goering ~

"it is always a simple matter to
drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the
country to danger. It works the same in any country."
 
I think in the decades following WW11 Europe [excluding the UK] has probably had its fill of conflict-irrespective of the causes. They no longer, on the whole, see Military action as its first, or for that matter, last response. This perhaps polarises them with American foreign policy response [i do not feel American has always chose the right course of action] but, America has not always chose the wrong course of action. Europe [parts of] has basically lost the stomach for a fight, and see the route of diplomacy as the path most beneficial.

Paul

Summed up nicely. The Cold War created two different perspectives...

1) For Europeans, the internal discipline as well as the external protection provided by America's presence and power permitted security and the spread of wealth across social class lines, but also nurtured a blithe attitude toward both distant troubles and ther suffering of neighbors behind thye Iron curtain. This translated into the determined will to ignore the crumbling Yugoslavia and the human carnage of Bosnia and then Kosovo in the 1990s.

2) For Americans, the party never stopped after World War II and our military found itself on more distant lands than ever before. But even with this, the huge expansion of American wealth and power led Americans right back into a sense of detachment from the world. Despite Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf War, and all small events in between, much of America had traveled back into a sense of isolationalism.

Then came 9/11. All of a sudden Americans were faced with the world again. We had to learn the same old lesson as before. We had to once again learn that the sickness of the world will eventually reach us if we do not stay ever vigilant across the sea. We got comfortable with the predictability of the Cold War. And when the Berlin Wall came down we got sleepy. We refused to pay attention to the next growing religious threat. On 9/11, we finally acknowledged that Marx, not God, is dead. Europe lags in grasping that the Age of Frivolity is over. But it will learn the hard way soon enough. Perhaps by then America will have no stomach left to "fight." Maybe our bare minimum with guarantees of rear duty will head across the ocean. Could anybody dare even criticize that after the show of support in Afghanistan?

But your response didn't reflect on how Europeans fancy their criticisms towards the U.S. They don't simply wag a finger and hypocritically state, "bad." They normally pull from their own past and compare...

- Gitmo = Gulag.
- A handful of waterboarding cases = Nazi Party.
- Muslims slaughtering Muslims in Iraq = Holocaust.


This sort of criticism has more to do with internal soothing than true criticism.
 
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Are you saying you disagree that since Keynesian economic policy has been implemented throughout the world, business cycles have been more so "controlled"?
Business cycles have been altered, yes, but I wouldn't necessarily say "controlled" since that is nearly impossible as long as supply and demand is a factor.

All one has to do is look at economic cycles over the past 130 years or so.
 
There are similarities between any two countries, and any two governments, simply by the nature of what countries and governments are. So yes, there are some similarities, but we are not becoming "like" nazi Germany. Not Bush, not Obama, not Bush the elder, not Reagan, not any president or congress in my lifetime has moved us to be in any significant way like nazi Germany. Those on both sides who make nazi comparisons are either ignorant, or irrational.

Ok, I will turn the question completely around... Did the US learn by the mistakes of the NAZI empire, and trying their best to avoid doing any of the same things? (I am talking especially about the methods of the Republican party)
 
Obviously the U.S. will never be Nazi Germany, but an ultra-nationalistic militarist police state marked by hysteria, xenophobia, anti-intellectualism, exceptionalist and expansionist foreign policies etc., etc. is very much a possibility. To a significant extent those elements (or their foundations) are already in place.

That is my fear(it is also what I see happening), and the Republican party approach to this, it is my enemy.
 
the Americans are doing what they can to get the socialists and socialism out of government to forestall this.

The US is the foremost example of corporate socialism. However I am not saying the US is doing it exactly the same as the NAZIs did, or have the same ideology.
I am not saying every part is identical, or because I compare the Republicans with the NAZI party, that they support socialism, but rather that they use the same methods for a similar type of extremist ideology.
 
This is Bollocks.

You can be nationalistic without being like the nazis. You can favor free-markets and corporations without being like the nazis. You can invade and occupy another county without turning its industries to your favor and thus without being like the nazis.

This is the stupidest, hack poll I have seen at DP. All it does is stroke the ego of it's ideologically corrupted mind of the author.
 
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Ah, no, don't try to make socialism out to be some beautiful thing infected by capitalism.

Socialism is the colon cancer of political ideology, and to embrace it means the inevitable colostomy bag forever.

Corporate entities have too much power over government for one reason, and one reason only....governments that have too much power always sell control of that power to the highest bidder.

Limit the power available to government, and the desire of individuals and groups to seize that power declines.

Just keep focused on the fact that the so-called health-care debate is nothing more than a means of expending government power, to cite one example.

Governments surrender accrued power by one method and only the one method: armed revolt or threats thereof.

Socialists and their insistence on expanding the power of government are on the morally wrong side of these issues.

Oh, and don't forget, because I don't, Nazi Germany was National Socailist Germany.

Do you even know what socialism is?

encyclopedia britannica said:
Because “social control” may be interpreted in widely diverging ways, socialism ranges from statist to libertarian, from Marxist to liberal. The term was first used to describe the doctrines of Charles Fourier, Henri de Saint-Simon, and Robert Owen, who emphasized noncoercive communities of people working noncompetitively for the spiritual and physical well-being of all (see utopian socialism). Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, seeing socialism as a transition state between capitalism and communism, appropriated what they found useful in socialist movements to develop their “scientific socialism.” In the 20th century, the Soviet Union was the principal model of strictly centralized socialism, while Sweden and Denmark were well-known for their noncommunist socialism.

Like all Americans you are led into ignorance about socialism, where its used as a curse word by people who dont know what it means. The irrational fear of socialism in the US is based on nothing but complete ignorance.
What is wrong with everyone having enough????
 
The average European....

Insulting America in order to appease internal personal turmoils about the depravity of their own continent. Of all the empires or civilizations in history to seek similarity to (Greek, Roman, British) they will always seek their own Nazi Germany in order to soothe their history.

Of any of the nations in the west to resemble Germany, one could make easy argument over France's behaviors in Algeria where hundreds of thousands were publicly tortured. But making comparisons to Germany would have been unthinkable back then because people's memories were still very clear on the matter. Today? A few waterboarding cases make us Nazis. The ignorant throw a parade after every American stumble and such stumbles absolutely have to be compared to Nazi Germany, don't they? It's fashionable in anti-Americanist Europe. Hell, today Germany isn't even guilty for its past. We call it "Nazi" Germany as if separate from the whole. America doesn't even get that pathetic consideration by those who seek to frangrance their stench.

Great, a supporter of the American ideas, again lashing out against Europeans in general, and protecting whatever his leadership back in the US thinks should apply.

I dont want to compare you to a NAZI soldier, but then again, they also blindly followed the ideology the political class forced on them, without even understanding it.

Its not a few waterboarding cases that makes US current political ideology close to the NAZI ideology, its the whole thing, the whole package, especially that one of the Republican party who seemingly have adopted the methods of the NAZI German empire to their own needs.

Torture by the way is illegal and disgusting no matter if its done by NAZI Germany, the US, France of Jesus Christ.
 
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Your parody of some crack pot loser retarded leftist idiot making a retarded comparison of the US to Nazi Germany while probably at the same time offending jews and everyone else who lived through the holocaust is fantastic. Almost convincing. Two thumbs up. Those morons who make asinine comparisons of the US to Nazi Germany are ****en retarded. I think those retards are the reason why a lot of people think that you should have to pass a IQ test to vote or to breed.

Nope. I never offended a jew. Why the hell should I?

I wouldnt mind an IQ test for voting and breeding, but then again, I dont believe in a police state, so I probably would not support that because it goes against the freedom of the individuals.
 
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