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Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

Did the US adapt the methods, foreign policy and state power of NAZI Germany.

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Redress said:
There are similarities between any two countries, and any two governments, simply by the nature of what countries and governments are. So yes, there are some similarities, but we are not becoming "like" nazi Germany. Not Bush, not Obama, not Bush the elder, not Reagan, not any president or congress in my lifetime has moved us to be in any significant way like nazi Germany. Those on both sides who make nazi comparisons are either ignorant, or irrational.
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Quoted for truth.
 
gunner said:
I answered NO, not at all. American action [post 9/11] was reactive. Nazi action was pro-active, big difference.

Paul
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There's also that little difference in the actual action taken by each nation that you've forgotten to mention.
 
GySgt said:
Perhaps you can shed some light then. Our European critics never criticize without seeking their own past to do it....

Why is it that no matter what America does, there is always the quest to compare America to the worst Europeans have to offer? During the 80s Europeans were fond of expressing how America was going to bring about the end of the world (and mass protests and negative polls ensued). During the 90s Europeans expressed their disgust over Bosnia and Kosovo despite the human carnage that was going igbnored by Europeans before we even got there and forced a hand. And over the last decade we have been compared to Nazis and even as far as labeled as Germany's equivelent.

Always, Europeans seek the worst scenario and attach America to it. My perspective on European "denial" is more about soothing internal turmoils than it is about fantacizing a different past.
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I think in the decades following WW11 Europe [excluding the UK] has probably had its fill of conflict-irrespective of the causes. They no longer, on the whole, see Military action as its first, or for that matter, last response. This perhaps polarises them with American foreign policy response [i do not feel American has always chose the right course of action] but, America has not always chose the wrong course of action. Europe [parts of] has basically lost the stomach for a fight, and see the route of diplomacy as the path most beneficial.

Paul
 
gunner said:
No matter what the thread, you seem to constantly infer that Europeans are in denial of past atrocities, and commenting on, what Europeans see as America abusing its power-is in some way linked to self denial. I seriously fail to see the link?
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If is not denial or ignorance then what is it? How do you go from comparing a country like the US to nazi Germany if there is no denial or ignorance involved? Its like a woman with a broken nail talking about how it's excruciating pain while standing in front of a woman with 5 kids. Its like gay and illegals comparing themselves to a people whose ancestors kidnapped and enslaved, the target of terrorist from the reconstruction era to the 1960's, denied the same(noticed I said the word "same") constitutional rights as their white counterparts and not even declared human or full citizens until much later. So how do you compare the USA to a monster like Adolph Hitler if it is not ignorance or denial?
 
Apocalypse said:
There's also that little difference in the actual action taken by each nation that you've forgotten to mention.
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Considering my statement implies their are NO similarities between America and Nazi Germany policy i did not feel the need to go further, perhaps you misunderstood?

Paul
 
jamesrage said:
If is not denial or ignorance then what is it? How do you go from comparing a country like the US to nazi Germany if there is no denial or ignorance involved? Its like a woman with a broken nail talking about how it's excruciating pain while standing in front of a woman with 5 kids. Its like gay and illegals comparing themselves to a people whose ancestors kidnapped and enslaved, the target of terrorist from the reconstruction era to the 1960's, denied the same(noticed I said the word "same") constitutional rights as their white counterparts and not even declared human or full citizens until much later. So how do you compare the USA to a monster like Adolph Hitler if it is not ignorance or denial?
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Where have i said America is compared to Nazi Germany?

Paul
 
There is one similarity I can see. Nazis accomplished much by enabling people into action by dehumanizing another. In today's world if you are labeled a terrorist you lose your human rights. You are no longer human in the eyes of most society. Then you take the whole Muslim brotherhood and label them terrorists.

I hope if some entity ever gains new dominance over the world they don't take the actions of some people, who happened to be Christian, and declare war on the whole Christian brotherhood. And take the rights of a very large group.
 
gunner said:
Considering my statement implies their are NO similarities between America and Nazi Germany policy i did not feel the need to go further, perhaps you misunderstood?

Paul
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Misunderstanding it is then.
 
A few similarities:
1) Some in our government and people are advocating and even sometimes demanding all out socialism, people tend to forget that the Nazi party was a socialist party.
2) The UHC debate, that was one of the "benevolent" things the Nazi SS party did before alot of innocent people were tortured and slaughtered.
3) Gun control: They instituted it almost immediately, we have nut cases that dare to challenge the second amendment and every once in a while do win some battles, they only have to win big once for that to happen here.
4) Book burning: While it isn't here yet, there are "emergency powers" that were talked about only a few months ago pertaining to any emergency that would fit the president's definition. That thing would be rife with abuse.

Where we differ:
1) No genocide
2) Our "dear leader" is probably not going to be reelected
3) We fight socialism with a fervor, or at least a good bit of us do
4) We attempt to cooperate with other nations, not conquer them, our deeds are sometimes not recieved well, that's life.
 
Words cannot describe how tired I am of Naziism and Hiter being used as the platform for all arguments. Please pick up a damn history book and learn about something OTHER than WWII.
 
Orius said:
Words cannot describe how tired I am of Naziism and Hiter being used as the platform for all arguments. Please pick up a damn history book and learn about something OTHER than WWII.
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I'm looking at it objectively, and using historical similarities, it has nothing to do with an argument.
 
LaMidRighter said:
4) Book burning: While it isn't here yet, there are "emergency powers" that were talked about only a few months ago pertaining to any emergency that would fit the president's definition. That thing would be rife with abuse.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html

I think the lesson that should be learned from history is that money (or that which has alot of anything that could sway the unjust. Power) By giving it a small amount of its own power. (and if the receiver is in any way being tricked then even less is being given) And a numb America is one that is easily conquered. From within at least. (Sorry trying to form a thought but too stoned. Ima have to take some hours off from foruming.



And right now the elites are so far from the meek.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html

I think the lesson that should be learned from history is that money (or that which has alot of anything that could sway the unjust. Power) By giving it a small amount of its own power. (and if the receiver is in any way being tricked then even less is being given) And a numb America is one that is easily conquered. From within at least. (Sorry trying to form a thought but too stoned. Ima have to take some hours off from foruming.



And right now the elites are so far from the meek.
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I get the gist of what you are going for, good catch.
 
Some in our government and people are advocating and even sometimes demanding all out socialism[/QUOTE] Give us the names of three people in our government advocating all out socialism.
 
Whip Comes Down said:
Some in our government and people are advocating and even sometimes demanding all out socialism
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Give us the names of three people in our government advocating all out socialism.[/QUOTE] Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barbara Boxer, Maxine Waters, Richard Durbin, Rahm Emmanuel, Barak Hussein Obama, John Kerry, Olympia Snowe, etc.
Need more?
 
Whip Comes Down said:
The Nazi Party believed in private sector ownership of the means of production, boo. Private sector ownership of the means of production is the cornerstone of Capitalism.
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No, that was the fascist party of Italy, sorry, you lose.
 
LaMidRighter said:
No, that was the fascist party of Italy, sorry, you lose.
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Against the mainstream: Nazi privatization in 1930s Germany​

The Great Depression spurred State ownership in Western capitalist countries. Germany was no exception; the last governments of the Weimar Republic took over firms in diverse sectors. Later, the Nazi regime transferred public ownership and public services to the private sector. In doing so, they went against the mainstream trends in the Western capitalist countries, none of which systematically reprivatized firms during the 1930s. Privatization in Nazi Germany was also unique in transferring to private hands the delivery of public services previously provided by government. The firms and the services transferred to private ownership belonged to diverse sectors. Privatization was part of an intentional policy with multiple objectives and was not ideologically driven. As in many recent privatizations, particularly within the European Union, strong financial restrictions were a central motivation. In addition, privatization was used as a political tool to enhance support for the government and for the Nazi Party.

http://www.ehs.org.uk/ehs/conference2007/Assets/BelIIE.pdf
 
Whip Comes Down said:
What, exactly, is "all out socialism", Rider?
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I knew you couldn't figure it out bro. Socialism is state control of the means of production and central planning according to Keynsian economics. While I understand this all is going to go over your head I'll try to slow this down for you.

The government owns a large portion of Chrysler, GM, bank, and insurance company stock right now and are leveraging for more control of their daily operation, that is owning the means of production. Maxine Waters on the floor of the senate basically said she was in favor of the government owning the oil companies here, so you tell me what more you need to complete your understanding bro.
 
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