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Why did the army ignore all the multiple red flags about Major Nidal Malik Hasan???

Why did the army ignore warning signs about Hasan?

  • They have to walk on eggshells regarding religious minorities

    Votes: 8 44.4%

  • Too much redtape and paperwork to dismiss an officer

    Votes: 1 5.6%

  • The army is generally incompetent

    Votes: 1 5.6%

  • The army is a beacon of diversity and tolerance

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • The army is run by mentally ill people who wouldn't know what healthy is

    Votes: 2 11.1%

  • More than one or other, please explain

    Votes: 6 33.3%
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Why did the army ignore all the many warning signs about Hasan?


Fort Hood Suspect Warned of Muslim Threat Within Military - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

According to The Washington Post, Major Nidal Malik Hasan was supposed to make a presentation on a medical topic during his senior year as a psychiatric resident at Walter Reed Medical Center.

Instead, Hasan lectured his supervisors and two dozen mental health staff members on Islam, homicide bombings and threats the military could encounter from Muslims conflicted about fighting against other Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan.

A source who attended the presentation told the paper, "It was really strange. The senior doctors looked really upset."

The Powerpoint, entitled, "The Koranic World View As It Relates to Muslims in the U.S. Military," consisted of 50 slides, according to a copy obtained by the Post.
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Re: Why did the army ignore all the multiple red flags about Major Nidal Malik Hasan?

MyOwnDrum said:
Why did the army ignore all the many warning signs about Hasan?
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Because we wouldn't want to infringe upon his rights by addressing the obvious.

Politicial correctness infected the military during the 90s and since 9/11 it has gotten worse. We have been bombarded with sensitivity classes and harrassed over anything that may appear as "improper" since our enemy finally forced the American community to face on 9/11 what the U.S. military had been facing since Beirut. We have an entire global media afraid to print anything truly insulting or even really uncomfortable about Islam and a nation more concerned with whether or not the prisoners of war have lawyers than the threat they represent.

There is also a lack of discipline within the Army ranks. They are that "10 percent," but they are always making headlines. And because this 10 percent are more severe than the 10 percent of other branches, it makes it more difficult to single the big problems from the rest of the 10 percent pack.

On the bright side, the leftist of the world don't have to worry over his guilt. Now their only concern will be his trial and how he won't get a "fair" one.
 
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Re: Why did the army ignore all the multiple red flags about Major Nidal Malik Hasan?

maybe they wanted him to snap and kill a couple folks so they could say - see ? Muslims are CRAAAAZY !
 
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NEUROSPORT said:
maybe they wanted him to snap and kill a couple folks so they could say - see ? Muslims are CRAAAAZY !
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.....and look how easily it worked!
 
Re: Why did the army ignore all the multiple red flags about Major Nidal Malik Hasan?

For the same reason that the Bush administration ignored all the warning signs prior to 9/11. It's painfully easy when looking back to see the path to a problem, it's much harder when the result is not known in advance. The military will learn from this, and the mistakes that are so obvious looking back will be corrected.
 
Re: Why did the army ignore all the multiple red flags about Major Nidal Malik Hasan?

Political correctness....
It has no place in the armed forces.....;)
 
Re: Why did the army ignore all the multiple red flags about Major Nidal Malik Hasan?

It's not just political correctness, although that certainly has a part in it. The problem is that religion gets a pass in this country for all but the most heinous things. Religion is treated as a special, protected category in which things we'd never allow in a million years for any other reason gets accepted as reasonable and unassailable. The idea that you have to respect someone's insane beliefs in imaginary friends, just because they hold them, is absurd.
 
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GySgt said:
Because we wouldn't want to infringe upon his rights by addressing the obvious.

Politicial correctness infected the military during the 90s and since 9/11 it has gotten worse. We have been bombarded with sensitivity classes and harrassed over anything that may appear as "improper" since our enemy finally forced the American community to face on 9/11 what the U.S. military had been facing since Beirut. We have an entire global media afraid to print anything truly insulting or even really uncomfortable about Islam and a nation more concerned with whether or not the prisoners of war have lawyers than the threat they represent.

There is also a lack of discipline within the Army ranks. They are that "10 percent," but they are always making headlines. And because this 10 percent are more severe than the 10 percent of other branches, it makes it more difficult to single the big problems from the rest of the 10 percent pack.

On the bright side, the leftist of the world don't have to worry over his guilt. Now their only concern will be his trial and how he won't get a "fair" one.
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Tell me about it. I don't know how many diversity, equal opportunity, and sexual harrassment classes I had to sit through. The military is going soft; that's what happened to the Roman Army before the Empire fell...
 
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Ethereal said:
Tell me about it. I don't know how many diversity, equal opportunity, and sexual harrassment classes I had to sit through. The military is going soft; that's what happened to the Roman Army before the Empire fell...
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Well, the Roman military broke apart because of the government. To defend against barbarian tribes and clans, the Roman government built an army of barbarians and gave them full citizenship and land. But because the Roman government kept physically expanding, the "soldier" spent more time away from his farms and property. Over the centuries he would find it next to impossible to maintain his taxes and he lost his land. In the end, the politicians and aristocrats got richer while the average citizen (soldier) was left with nothing but his uniform. His loyalty went to his general rather than to Rome. By the time Constantine divided the empire in half (Rome/Byzantine), the armies were in business for themselves and the empire grew weak enough for those earlier mentioned barbarian tribes to attack. The Byzantine would maintain strength for centuries, but Rome was finished.

Maybe the lesson for politicians is to not screw over the military for their benefits.
 
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Cephus said:
It's not just political correctness, although that certainly has a part in it. The problem is that religion gets a pass in this country for all but the most heinous things. Religion is treated as a special, protected category in which things we'd never allow in a million years for any other reason gets accepted as reasonable and unassailable. The idea that you have to respect someone's insane beliefs in imaginary friends, just because they hold them, is absurd.
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Actually, it's Islam that gets a pass whole others are open game. Christianity and Judaism are constantly bombarded with jokes, captions, images, and criticism. From the Simpson's Apu "Thank you come again" to the Family Guy's jokes about Jesus and God and onto national newspapers where professionals take their jabs, it's open season on every religion except one. Christiains believing in "imaginary friends?" Who cares. Those imaginary friends aren't inspirting the flying of planes into our buildings. Or shooting up our soldiers on our soil. Or blowing up our ermbassies. Or detonating explosives next to our naval vessels. Or kidnapping and murdering athletes at an Olympics. Have I missed anything?

For all of this, I guess Islam gets its respect. But sure...toss Christiains and Jews into the pool too. After all, they hate abortion and next to that Islam is pure and without threat. I guess poking fun at Muhammed is too dangerous.

Religion"s" getting a pass? Hardly.
 
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GySgt said:
For all of this, I guess Islam gets its respect. But sure...toss Christiains and Jews into the pool too. After all, they hate abortion and next to that Islam is pure and without threat. I guess poking fun at Muhammed is too dangerous.

Religion"s" getting a pass? Hardly.
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I see it as fear rather than respect.

Christians and Jews don't generally go on a rampage when dissed.


Interestingly, there is a poster in this very forum who has proclaimed over and over and over again that he is U.S. military, yet claims Islamist terrorism is "doing what needs to be done".

THis begs the question, "if Hassan was voicing support for terrorism online while in the army, at what point is a website that provides a venue for such responsible for contacting somebody about it?"
 
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Redress said:
For the same reason that the Bush administration ignored all the warning signs prior to 9/11. It's painfully easy when looking back to see the path to a problem, it's much harder when the result is not known in advance. The military will learn from this, and the mistakes that are so obvious looking back will be corrected.
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well no. warning signs on 9/11 were ignored because the government didn't want to prosecute itself or interfere with it's own Operation Iraqi Liberation.
 
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NEUROSPORT said:
well no. warning signs on 9/11 were ignored because the government didn't want to prosecute itself or interfere with it's own Operation Iraqi Liberation.
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Keep the conspiracy bunk where it belongs.
 
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Redress said:
For the same reason that the Bush administration ignored all the warning signs prior to 9/11. It's painfully easy when looking back to see the path to a problem, it's much harder when the result is not known in advance. The military will learn from this, and the mistakes that are so obvious looking back will be corrected.
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The situations aren't really that similar. Same inaction yes, but for different reasons I think.
 
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EpicDude86 said:
The situations aren't really that similar. Same inaction yes, but for different reasons I think.
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i think the reason was the same - they wanted it to happen because it plays into their hand.

what would the government do if it was forced to admit that all the enemies it is fighting are fictitious ?

but it is also true that a person who is sane would not take an M16 and fly to middle east to exterminate women and children there just to be able to come back and become a homeless beggar. therefore they don't really have the luxury of picking people who are not psychos.
 
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Partisan said:
Political correctness....
It has no place in the armed forces.....;)
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Remind me what the rate of sexual harassment or sexual assault in the military is again:roll:
 
Re: Why did the army ignore all the multiple red flags about Major Nidal Malik Hasan?

Ethereal said:
Tell me about it. I don't know how many diversity, equal opportunity, and sexual harrassment classes I had to sit through. The military is going soft; that's what happened to the Roman Army before the Empire fell...
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No it wasn't. What happened was that Rome was hiring entire barbarian armies to fight for them, instead of assimilating them into the legions. Learn some history, buddy, it wasn't about being "politically correct". And the Roman empire didn't fall until 1453, keep that in mind.

Edit: Gysgt beat it to me and said it better than I did.
 
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the makeout hobo said:
No it wasn't. What happened was that Rome was hiring entire barbarian armies to fight for them, instead of assimilating them into the legions. Learn some history, buddy, it wasn't about being "politically correct". And the Roman empire didn't fall until 1453, keep that in mind.

Edit: Gysgt beat it to me and said it better than I did.
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Good Lord. I didn't say the Roman Empire fell because of politcal correctness. I said the Roman Empire fell because of a weak military. But thanks for the heads up, "buddy".
 
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Ethereal said:
Good Lord. I didn't say the Roman Empire fell because of politcal correctness. I said the Roman Empire fell because of a weak military. But thanks for the heads up, "buddy".
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Even to say it was a "weak military" completely fails to understand what happened. And I thought you were referring to PCness because you discussed sensitivity classes, then the fall of the roman empire.
 
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NEUROSPORT said:
i think the reason was the same - they wanted it to happen because it plays into their hand.
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I would hope not, but yeah I know it's possible.

NEUROSPORT said:
what would the government do if it was forced to admit that all the enemies it is fighting are fictitious ?
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You ever read 1984? No government would ever admit it.
 
Re: Why did the army ignore all the multiple red flags about Major Nidal Malik Hasan?

MyOwnDrum said:
Why did the army ignore all the many warning signs about Hasan?
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I would have to say it is both "they have to walk on eggshells regarding religious minorities" and a little bit of the fact that the man was an commissioned officer. I think if he was a low ranking ranking enlisted man or even a mid ranking non commissioned officer or a low ranking commissioned officer he probably they probably wouldn't have thought twice to kick the man out or least watch the man like a hawk.
 
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