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Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

Can a person be anti Gay marriage and not be a bigot?


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We aren't peaceful creatures by nature, either. Should we abolish laws restricting violent activity? ;)

I hate the phrase but, Tell me how those two, Our natural polygamy and our natural violent behavior, aren't apples and oranges and then we shall continue this line of debate.
 
Again, a false premise doesn't make an argument "illogical." Can you please restate what you think my argument is, and if you're not ascribing that to me, maybe a quote to where I made that argument?

Ah...yeah...a false premise DOES make an argument illogical.


They don't, but I fail to see the relevance. Are you trying to claim that if the reasons are the same, the state should recognize gay marriage? That makes no sense.

No, what I'm claiming is that if the reasons are the same, then using that argument towards why the state should recognize gay marriage is illogical. There may be other reasons, but this position does not prove the outcome. I'm NOT saying that because they are the same the state SHOULD recognize it; just that because they are the same, this argument CAN'T be used to NOT recognize it.
 
I am asking the people who are pro gay marriage this question..........

Absolutely. It largely depends on their reasons behind being against gay marriage.
 
Well, I believe there is a substancial difference between thoes who oppose gay marrige and thoes who oppose it being tought to children, paraded about, etc.
 
Well, I believe there is a substancial difference between thoes who oppose gay marrige and thoes who oppose it being tought to children, paraded about, etc.

3 posts in and I like your style. I look forward to more from you Eric. Or shall I just replace the r now and call you EPIC. Oh...wait...I'm Epic...ok wait, I can always go by Mr. Dude.
 
3 posts in and I like your style. I look forward to more from you Eric. Or shall I just replace the r now and call you EPIC. Oh...wait...I'm Epic...ok wait, I can always go by Mr. Dude.

850 posts by you in two-weeks and I'm still not sure about your style Dude...
 
Well that's cause it's erratic to say the least. I was just giving the new guy some encouragement to keep posting.

Yeah... I know, its all good. Do you work on-line or something? How can you post so damn much?
 
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nothing shows up when I google that so I don't know what you mean... that is, unless you live inside the computer.
 
nothing shows up when I google that so I don't know what you mean... that is, unless you live inside the computer.

My brain IS my computer. I stare at a monitor and transmit data to it from my head....that and I use telekinesis to steal wi-fi from my neighbors house, though I suspect he's on to me since I sit on my carport and stare into his office every day.
 
We aren't peaceful creatures by nature, either. Should we abolish laws restricting violent activity? ;)

For the most part, yeah. Consensual fighting is neither an assault nor should it be an offense. Same goes to consensual fighting with weapons, barring discharge of a firearm within city limits or disturbing the peace. (Say, by making a racket at night in a residential area, or by blocking traffic.) I don't believe in manslaughter unless it's negligent; killing a man is either murder, an accident, or justified and my definition of "murder" is far narrower than the law's.

There ought to be designated public dueling areas for people to be able to settle grievances with whatever level of force they feel is necessary, and the State ought to provide officiants as a public service.

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.
 
For the most part, yeah. Consensual fighting is neither an assault nor should it be an offense. Same goes to consensual fighting with weapons, barring discharge of a firearm within city limits or disturbing the peace. (Say, by making a racket at night in a residential area, or by blocking traffic.) I don't believe in manslaughter unless it's negligent; killing a man is either murder, an accident, or justified and my definition of "murder" is far narrower than the law's.

There ought to be designated public dueling areas for people to be able to settle grievances with whatever level of force they feel is necessary, and the State ought to provide officiants as a public service.

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.

My biggest problem with duels is making sure they're fair. If someone files down the firing pin of a pistol, for instance, or shoots before they're ready... it's very hard to get a do-over in a duel if someone cheats.
 
My biggest problem with duels is making sure they're fair. If someone files down the firing pin of a pistol, for instance, or shoots before they're ready... it's very hard to get a do-over in a duel if someone cheats.

That's the risk you take in allowing someone to point a loaded weapon at you in the first place. And with witnesses and an officiant, cheating is easy to detect and punish-- cheating in a duel certainly falls under even my narrow definition of murder.
 
We aren't peaceful creatures by nature, either. Should we abolish laws restricting violent activity? ;)

That's why we Boxing, MMA, Fencing, Paintball, Football, and other fighting or contact related sports.
 
Ah...yeah...a false premise DOES make an argument illogical.
Ah...no...

This is really basic logic 101 stuff:

For either example, the logic is valid but the premises are false.
Valid (false premises, true conclusion)
An argument may be valid even if every single premise, as well as the conclusion, is false.
A Little Logic
An argument's validity or invalidity is determined by its logical form
personal.bellevuecollege.edu
 
Getting back to the topic of the thread it is refreshing to see the results considering how often our friends on the left demonize and call us who are against gay marriage bigots and homophobes.......
 
I am asking the people who are pro gay marriage this question..........

Yes. Those who misunderstand the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution are not bigots. They are protected from being so characterized by their ignorance.
 
Getting back to the topic of the thread it is refreshing to see the results considering how often our friends on the left demonize and call us who are against gay marriage bigots and homophobes.......

Are you saying that there are no bigots and homophobes among the people who are against gay marriage?
 
Are you saying that there are no bigots and homophobes among the people who are against gay marriage?

He's saying that many people on the left characterize all gay marriage opponents as bigots and homophobes.
 
He's saying that many people on the left characterize all gay marriage opponents as bigots and homophobes.

Actually that isn't what he said. As per usual, Navy Pride made broad generalizations. Though it is true, many people on the left do characterize gay marriage opponents as bigots and homophobes. Sometimes they are correct, sometimes they aren't. Like both sides of the political spectrum, they make broad generalizations about the side that they don't agree with in an effort to further their own agenda..just as Navy Pride did.
 
Yes. Those who misunderstand the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution are not bigots. They are protected from being so characterized by their ignorance.

So thr 80% of the people in this country who are against gay marriage are ignorant and your the smart one.........:rofl
 
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