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Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

Terrorist or Not

  • Yes, A terrorist Attack

    Votes: 38 54.3%

  • no

    Votes: 32 45.7%
  • Total voters
    70
Catawba said:
Reducing the access of guns to the mentally disturbed would help accomplish that through more thorough background checks for gun purchases.
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Most of the "mentally disturbed" don't have a background to check unless they have a criminal record, which would most likely prevent them from getting guns in the first place. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not under the impression that a mental health history is part of any background check.
 
lizzie said:
Most of the "mentally disturbed" don't have a background to check unless they have a criminal record, which would most likely prevent them from getting guns in the first place. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not under the impression that a mental health history is part of any background check.
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From the reports that have surfaced about Hassan and Cho, there seems there was much evidence that both had dangerous mental problems.

That kind of info should be available in background checks for gun purchases. That is what is lacking in our current system of background checks.
 
Catawba said:
That kind of info should be available in background checks for gun purchases. That is what is lacking in our current system of background checks.
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Since medical records are kept strictly private, I doubt they could be used for that purpose, and rightfully so imo.
 
lizzie said:
Since medical records are kept strictly private, I doubt they could be used for that purpose, and rightfully so imo.
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I agree - it would be abused and would single out people who are probably no real threat at all, just ill.

Hasan isn't a psycho, though - the warning signs weren't him beating his neighbor's or killing their puppies, you know. His warning signs were non-medical. Behavior and attitude.
 
But behavior and attitude can't be put on a person's "profile" included in a background check, can they?:confused:

If my neighbor acts weird, is strangely obsessive or reclusive, or displays a strong dislike of government, individuals, or specific groups, but he does not do anything illegal, he can't be treated as suspect just for those traits.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Well go to Great Britain and ask them how they like not having guns. Then compare the two. You may find that it's a much nicer place for you, and you can stay there til we fix the gun laws here.
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I suppose it's not as bad as telling somebody to move to France, when they don't even speak the language, but unless they have family and job opportunities over in Britain, that's just a nonsensical thing to say. It would be disadvantageous for most people to get up and move to another country, even if they disagree with some of the laws in this country.
 
lizzie said:
Since medical records are kept strictly private, I doubt they could be used for that purpose, and rightfully so imo.
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Aunt Spiker said:
I agree - it would be abused and would single out people who are probably no real threat at all, just ill.

Hasan isn't a psycho, though - the warning signs weren't him beating his neighbor's or killing their puppies, you know. His warning signs were non-medical. Behavior and attitude.
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Declarations of violence should be exempted from privacy rules IMO. I have no problem with someone not being allowed to purchase a weapon who has made violent declarations.

If we continue to allow it we should not be surprised when they carry through with their declarations with a gun we allow them to purchase legally.
 
Catawba said:
Declarations of violence should be exempted from privacy rules IMO. I have no problem with someone not being allowed to purchase a weapon who has made violent declarations.

If we continue to allow it we should not be surprised when they carry through with their declarations with a gun we allow them to purchase legally.
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I believe they already are. I cannot recall the case, it is a famous one, but there was a psychiatrist who had a patient who mentioned he had the desire and means to kill a specific woman. The psychiatrist tried to have the man committed, and took no further action when that failed due to confidentiality. The man did go and kill that woman, and the psychiatrist was at fault because confidentiality is secondary to preserving life. The psychiatrist had a duty to tell the police, and/or the woman herself.
 
LiveUninhibited said:
I believe they already are. I cannot recall the case, it is a famous one, but there was a psychiatrist who had a patient who mentioned he had the desire and means to kill a specific woman. The psychiatrist tried to have the man committed, and took no further action when that failed due to confidentiality. The man did go and kill that woman, and the psychiatrist was at fault because confidentiality is secondary to preserving life. The psychiatrist had a duty to tell the police, and/or the woman herself.
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That may be vital to preventing future murders, getting that info linked to the background check system, not to mention to the law enforcement agencies.
 
Catawba said:
From the reports that have surfaced about Hassan and Cho, there seems there was much evidence that both had dangerous mental problems.

That kind of info should be available in background checks for gun purchases. That is what is lacking in our current system of background checks.
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There's a reason it's called a "Background Check" and if the court had filed the paperwork about his COURT ORDERED therapy or whatever, then it would have shown on a background check.
 
EpicDude86 said:
There's a reason it's called a "Background Check" and if the court had filed the paperwork about his COURT ORDERED therapy or whatever, then it would have shown on a background check.
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It appears that with both Hassan and Cho, it did not. That is the deficiency being discussed.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Then it's not the gun laws that are the problem is it?
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As I have stated numerous times it is a deficiency in the background check system for gun purchases.
 
Its not a ****ing terrorist attack.

What was the message?
 
Catawba said:
Background checks are part of our gun laws. The part that is deficient.
Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence : Brady Background Checks

Gun Laws Lacking with Fort Hood Suspect.
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If a law dictates how something should be done, in this case a background check and waiting period, then if that is not done properly (or cannot be done properly because some other agency failed its job) it is not the fault of the gun laws.


If everyone would just have a gun, the world would be a safer place.
 
EpicDude86 said:
If a law dictates how something should be done, in this case a background check and waiting period, then if that is not done properly (or cannot be done properly because some other agency failed its job) it is not the fault of the gun laws.


If everyone would just have a gun, the world would be a safer place.
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If background checks do not require this information it is a deficiency of the background check laws.

So you okay with allowing anyone, despite their mental state, to legally purchase guns? Students too I presume?
 
Catawba said:
If background checks do not require this information it is a deficiency of the background check laws.

So you okay with allowing anyone, despite their mental state, to legally purchase guns? Students too I presume?
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Virginia State Police - Firearms Purchase Eligibility Test

See any deficiency there? I think it's pretty thorough.

Now, failing that, find me the deficiency in the Court's orders not being enforced.

When you see it, you will **** bricks.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Virginia State Police - Firearms Purchase Eligibility Test

See any deficiency there? I think it's pretty thorough.

Now, failing that, find me the deficiency in the Court's orders not being enforced.

When you see it, you will **** bricks.
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As with many tragic events, there is more than one cause. The independent investigation of the VT in addition to a failure of the University also cited lax gun laws in Virginia.

"An independent investigation into the April 16 massacre at Virginia Tech criticized the university for failing to respond to the troubled behavior of senior Seung-Hui Cho before he went on his shooting rampage and for communication problems that day.

The 249-page report, released Thursday, also cited lax enforcement of gun regulations and lack of state funding for mental health as contributing factors to the tragedy."
The Online NewsHour: Shootings at Virgina Tech | PBS

This also appears to be a factor in the Fort Hood shootings.

"Schumer says that should have been enough to raise a red flag when Hasan tried to buy a gun. He says Hasan should not have passed the background check."
Schumer: Gun Laws Lacking With Fort Hood Suspect - wcbstv.com
 
Catawba said:
As with many tragic events, there is more than one cause. The independent investigation of the VT in addition to a failure of the University also cited lax gun laws in Virginia.

"An independent investigation into the April 16 massacre at Virginia Tech criticized the university for failing to respond to the troubled behavior of senior Seung-Hui Cho before he went on his shooting rampage and for communication problems that day.

The 249-page report, released Thursday, also cited lax enforcement of gun regulations and lack of state funding for mental health as contributing factors to the tragedy."
The Online NewsHour: Shootings at Virgina Tech | PBS

This also appears to be a factor in the Fort Hood shootings.

"Schumer says that should have been enough to raise a red flag when Hasan tried to buy a gun. He says Hasan should not have passed the background check."
Schumer: Gun Laws Lacking With Fort Hood Suspect - wcbstv.com
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These are excellent examples of a law not being upheld properly! Great job!
Now all we have to do is trim the fat in these bureaucracies, throw all this crap in an electronic database, and make sure everyone has a gun to protect themselves from the crazies.
 
EpicDude86 said:
These are excellent examples of a law not being upheld properly! Great job!
Now all we have to do is trim the fat in these bureaucracies, throw all this crap in an electronic database, and make sure everyone has a gun to protect themselves from the crazies.
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Just go back to the days of the wild west when things were peaceful right? :rofl
 
Catawba said:
Just go back to the days of the wild west when things were peaceful right? :rofl
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People could defend themselves then without being liberal ******s thats for damned sure.


Maybe the police won't have to respond every time a ****ing squirrel jumps out of a tree at 1am in someone's back yard....:roll:

****in' northerners.....
 
Caine said:
Maybe the police won't have to respond every time a ****ing squirrel jumps out of a tree at 1am in someone's back yard....:roll:
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As opposed to allowing the mentally deranged to buy guns? Don't bitch when they use them then.
 
Catawba said:
As opposed to allowing the mentally deranged to buy guns? Don't bitch when they use them then.
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My comment wasn't necessarily directed at the thought of allowing Mentally Deranged people buying guys.

Mine was to the effect that everyone in the US should have one (with exceptions)
 
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