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Should parents use a GPS tracking device to monitor their children?

Should parents use GPS tracking to monitor their children?

  • Yes! An implanted chip would be even safer!

    Votes: 1 2.9%

  • Yes, I think this is a practical way to keep track of kids

    Votes: 6 17.6%

  • It would be warranted in some cases

    Votes: 12 35.3%

  • I'm not comfortable with this idea, I don't think so

    Votes: 8 23.5%

  • Brave New World here we come. They've gotta start them young. :rolleyes:

    Votes: 7 20.6%
  • Total voters
    34
Elena said:
Yes. And yes, there are deviations from norm when parents don't care, but it's deviation.
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it is "a deviation" from the norm... it is not simply "deviation".

I was saying, when pedos will know the death is a certainty, they will think very hard before choosing their hobby.
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She made a perfect analogy regarding "DETERRENCE".
 
Elena said:
No, it isn't.

Yes, it is.
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Yes it is

And

No it isn't

It was condescending

And

One can unconditionally love many things that are not their biological children.
 
Elena said:
Was I talking about that?

I was saying, when pedos will know the death is a certainty, they will think very hard before choosing their hobby.
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Really? Really? Jesus Christ. Who is going to do this death march of yours? And why would only pedos think very hard before choosing their hobby? Why not murders? Why not regular rapists? Why not other criminals? You're making very limited arguments with no substance, logic, or data to back your claims. If it were as you said, criminals would be affected by the death penalty at large. If a murderer knew that death is a certainty, they would think very hard before choosing their hobby. But they aren't. Many studies have shown that the death penalty has at best a very limited deterrent effect, if one at all. Thus, your supposition is incorrect.
 
Originally Posted by Kal'Stang
It is possible. It is also possible that they will try to sneak out with their 18 year old boyfriend to have sex at the age of 13. It is also possible that they will go joy riding in some strangers car that they stole. It is also possible that they will try to skip school. It is also possible that they will do many things that they are not suppose to do.

Such a device can be used for more than just the pedophile/kidnapping that has been discussed for the most part in this thread.
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Kandahar said:
Wow, you are REALLY paranoid. You're probably the kind of parent who randomly searches his kid's room and goes through all of his personal possessions "just in case" he/she's doing something bad, aren't you.

Why are you so worried about your kids doing things like that? If your kids are the type who would do these kind of things, then you must've not done a very good job raising them.
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... Are you saying that his scenarios ARE NOT possible? Perhaps he is simply more in tune with what actually happens, for I knew and know lots of underage girls that sleep with their boyfriends that are over 18... hell even 25 years old and I knew a couple of guys that used to steal a car and then drive them into walls befor they lit them on fire. You sound like the type of person that lives in a bubble. ;)

By Bubble Boy :2wave:
 
Ikari said:
Really? Really? Jesus Christ. Who is going to do this death march of yours? And why would only pedos think very hard before choosing their hobby? Why not murders? Why not regular rapists? Why not other criminals? You're making very limited arguments with no substance, logic, or data to back your claims. If it were as you said, criminals would be affected by the death penalty at large. If a murderer knew that death is a certainty, they would think very hard before choosing their hobby. But they aren't. Many studies have shown that the death penalty has at best a very limited deterrent effect, if one at all. Thus, your supposition is incorrect.
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yep... and argument against deterrence in general, not just pedophiles. *nods up and down*

Does this help Elena? It was now posted twice, so the repitition might help.
 
Bodhisattva said:
it is "a deviation" from the norm... it is not simply "deviation".
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Oh, sorry! Would you prefer to communicate in Russian in order not to upset your grammatical sensibilities?
 
Kal'Stang said:
It is possible. It is also possible that they will try to sneak out with their 18 year old boyfriend to have sex at the age of 13. It is also possible that they will go joy riding in some strangers car that they stole. It is also possible that they will try to skip school. It is also possible that they will do many things that they are not suppose to do.

Such a device can be used for more than just the pedophile/kidnapping that has been discussed for the most part in this thread.

Let me ask you a question. What do you think of kids having cell phones?
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The thing I'd be worried about is acclimation. Basically, if we aggregate the use of this device to too large a level you have kids running around whom have always been monitored. Their parents tracked them when they were kids, the authority is presumed right and with rightful power to watch your every move to "protect" you and to ensure you're behaving as to their rules. If the government wants to do it, why not? What's really the difference between parents and the government, the government is merely a higher form of authority. If it was ok for your parents to track you, you've been monitored all your life; why would you really object to the government doing it?

While it takes some time to get from A to B, I would worry about the real world affects of teaching kids that they should expect to be monitored at all times by the authority.
 
Elena said:
Example, please?
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Adoptive parents. They love their kids unconditionally. Good family friends can love each other unconditionally. There are a few people outside my family I love unconditionally and will do anything for. I consider them flesh and blood family though they are not.

It's called empathy, and humans have quite the ability for it. Maybe some have a more highly developed sense of it than others.
 
Ikari said:
Really? Really? Jesus Christ. Who is going to do this death march of yours? .
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No one, as no one would microchip the kids, etc. The whole debate was based on hypothetical idea.
 
Elena said:
No one, as no one would microchip the kids, etc. The whole debate was based on hypothetical idea.
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:doh
You made a point that death is certain, who would do the killing. First off, no matter what death is not certain. As if you get away with it, you won't be killed. Secondly, the point is that if we killed these people when we found them (yay angry mob justice) that it would have a positive effect on the choices and actions of these people which could not be proven.

The only way in which that statement could be true is if it were in the absolute sense. That is, if you commit this crime, you die. By some magical hand, as you commit the crime, comes down from heaven to punish the evil doers. Otherwise, you're not going to have much of a chance at having an impact. And rather than scientific study and search; you have made policy involving the death of people based on bias and a sense of revenge. Which is not what the judicial system is to be about.
 
Ikari said:
Adoptive parents. They love their kids unconditionally.

Good family friends can love each other unconditionally. There are a few people outside my family I love unconditionally and will do anything for.
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1. Until they get their own kids. Why do you think adoption services are not too keen on people with biological children adopting?

2. Really? Use your imagination and put yourself in a position when, let's say you have a choice of sacrificing your child (if you don't have children, imagine your mother) or your family friend. What would be your choice?
 
Elena said:
Oh, sorry! Would you prefer to communicate in Russian in order not to upset your grammatical sensibilities?
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Well, I am fluent in Russian, after all.

Actually, I thought you were making a "gay" referrence about homosexuals being deviant, sounds like you were not, my bad then. I was not being a grammar Nazi.
 
Bodhisattva said:
My dog, for one. I have children (daughters), so I can make the comparison.
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And are you telling me that if you will be put in a situation to make a choice: to sacrifice your dog, or your daughters, you would choose to sacrifice your daughters?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Well, I am fluent in Russian, after all.

Actually, I thought you were making a "gay" referrence about homosexuals being deviant, sounds like you were not, my bad then. I was not being a grammar Nazi.
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No problem.
 
Bodhisattva said:
... Are you saying that his scenarios ARE NOT possible? Perhaps he is simply more in tune with what actually happens, for I knew and know lots of underage girls that sleep with their boyfriends that are over 18... hell even 25 years old and I knew a couple of guys that used to steal a car and then drive them into walls befor they lit them on fire. You sound like the type of person that lives in a bubble. ;)

By Bubble Boy :2wave:
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If your kids are doing things like that, then perhaps you need to do a better job of raising them instead of expecting a machine to do it for you.
 
Kandahar said:
If your kids are doing things like that, then perhaps you need to do a better job of raising them instead of expecting a machine to do it for you.
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Never mind of course he was not saying that.;)
 
Sir Loin said:
Never mind of course he was not saying that.;)
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If your kid finds out about the hidden GPS (which they probably will if you call them out on doing something they weren't supposed to do), they'll never trust you again. If people would raise their kids properly, then maybe they wouldn't NEED to resort to gross invasions of their kids' privacy. :roll:
 
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I think that this will probably become a safety tool that could be misused, in the future. The first application of this technology that came to my mind was not that it could "monitor" a child but it could certainly help a parent know where their child is at all times. In cases where children go missing it could naturally be very helpful. But there are some serious implications to this kind of thing and IMO there is no easy answer to this one.
 
Criminals should have the GPS implanted, only if we know this works.
But, our children, NO!
 
earthworm said:
Criminals should have the GPS implanted, only if we know this works.
But, our children, NO!
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You know if your child (anyone for that matter) has a cell phone, you can track their location using certain services available to the public? Does this make you evil?
 
Sir Loin said:
You know if your child (anyone for that matter) has a cell phone, you can track their location using certain services available to the public? Does this make you evil?
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If you actually use that service? Yes.
 
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