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Should inscription 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' be allowed on Memorial Plaque?

Should inscription 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' be allowed on Memorial Plaque?

  • Yes, there should be nothing wrong with stating the truth

    Votes: 35 67.3%

  • There must compromise language that won't offend

    Votes: 5 9.6%

  • No way, it would offend Muslims

    Votes: 2 3.8%

  • other, please explain

    Votes: 10 19.2%
  • Total voters
    52
Crunch said:
Right.... that's what we should have done with the Viet Nam memorial, Right?

Wouldn't want to offend any Vietnamese with that big black wall with 50,000 names on it would we?
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The Vietnam Veteran's Memorial remained a memorial of the soldiers, not of the viet cong that the soldiers were fighting against.

The memorial to the son should also be about the son and not the terrorists, which was my point all along.

Would you like to try that again? That goes for you too Kal'Stang.
 
bhkad said:
Wouldn't bother me at all.
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By inference, is your skin color "black " ??
A man's memorial is no place for things negative, this has nothing to do with free speech, its a matter of respect, proper honoring of the dead, good upbringing.....is all of this a thing of the past ??
I do favor the idea of a plaque on public grounds decrying the murder of thousands by Islamics, a political statement, but not on any memorial of a specific victim or victims..
 
Lightdemon said:
The Vietnam Veteran's Memorial remained a memorial of the soldiers, not of the viet cong that the soldiers were fighting against.

The memorial to the son should also be about the son and not the terrorists, which was my point all along.

Would you like to try that again? That goes for you too Kal'Stang.
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The Vietnam Veteran's Memorial isn't just about the soldiers. It is also about what happened to them. IE they died in Vietnam. Hence the name. Otherwise why not just call it "Veteran's Memorial"? To use your own questions against ya...Don't you think that Vietnamese wouldn't be offended?

Would you like to try again?
 
Kal'Stang said:
The Vietnam Veteran's Memorial isn't just about the soldiers. It is also about what happened to them. IE they died in Vietnam. Hence the name. Otherwise why not just call it "Veteran's Memorial"? To use your own questions against ya...Don't you think that Vietnamese wouldn't be offended?

Would you like to try again?
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Does the Vietnamese memorial say "These men were murdered by Vietnamese communist terrorists" anywhere? No. The people who designed it were a bit classier than that. Similarly, a 9/11 memorial is fine. Including an inflammatory statement like "murdered by Islamic terrorists" is offensive and gratuitous.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
The Vietnam Veteran's Memorial isn't just about the soldiers. It is also about what happened to them. IE they died in Vietnam. Hence the name. Otherwise why not just call it "Veteran's Memorial"? To use your own questions against ya...Don't you think that Vietnamese wouldn't be offended?

Would you like to try again?
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The memorial is a gigantic slab of granite with only the names of our fallen soldiers. It does not say the Vietnamese murdered them. The use of "Vietnam" is used to indicate which war the veterans fought in.

Would you like to try a 3rd time?
 
Lightdemon said:
The Vietnam Veteran's Memorial remained a memorial of the soldiers, not of the viet cong that the soldiers were fighting against.

The memorial to the son should also be about the son and not the terrorists, which was my point all along.

Would you like to try that again? That goes for you too Kal'Stang.
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Sure....

Right.... that's what we should have done with the Viet Nam memorial, Right?

Wouldn't want to offend any Vietnamese with that big black wall with 50,000 names on it would we?
 
Crunch said:
Sure....

Right.... that's what we should have done with the Viet Nam memorial, Right?

Wouldn't want to offend any Vietnamese with that big black wall with 50,000 names on it would we?
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Does the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial mention who killed them?

Clearly you don't understand the difference between honoring the fallen and placing blame for their deaths. The Vietnam Memorial did not place blame, it gave our fallen veterans honor.

Please learn the difference.
 
Lightdemon said:
The memorial is a gigantic slab of granite with only the names of our fallen soldiers. It does not say the Vietnamese murdered them. The use of "Vietnam" is used to indicate which war the veterans fought in.

Would you like to try a 3rd time?
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Hmm...It was the Vietnam war. Which took place in Vietnam. Which had Vietnamese in it. In which Vietnamese shot and killed our soldiers. The very name of the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial says who killed those soldiers.

Again why not just call it "Veteran's Memorial"? Or "US Veteran's Memoral"?
 
Lightdemon said:
Does the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial mention who killed them?

Clearly you don't understand the difference between honoring the fallen and placing blame for their deaths. The Vietnam Memorial did not place blame, it gave our fallen veterans honor.

Please learn the difference.
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That's why it's called the Veterans Memorial.... Oh, wait a minute.....

You are entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine. Personally, I think when they rebuild at ground zero, the building should have a plaque on it noting how many died, their names, and who killed them…. A great BIG one.
 
earthworm said:
I've often wondered why all nations do not have "free speech".
I am learning why.
Good ,respectful taste is of paramount importance on a memorial. Describing the cause of death, even a murder is simply not in good taste... not on a memorial..
Many do not seem to possess this quality...
Few seem to have any notion of what "free speech" really is.
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Dont call it free speech then. Call it agreeable respectful speech. Thats the way the white house wants it right now.:shrug:
 
MyOwnDrum said:
Father of 9/11 Victim Fights to Have 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' Inscribed on Son's Memorial - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

What do you think? The town wants to put a memorial plaque next to its town hall but the father wants the phrase 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' put on the plaque.

The town thinks it's just too controversial to put those words.
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I understand where you are coming from, but let me tell you another story:

Here in Texas, not too many years ago, a black man was chained to the back of a pickup truck by a couple of professed Christians, who also happened to be members of the KKK, and dragged to death. In the process, the black man's head came off. It was one of the most brutal murders imaginable.

How would you feel about a memorial plaque, dedicated to the victim, that reads "Murdered by Christian terrorists"?
 
Kal'Stang said:
Hmm...It was the Vietnam war. Which took place in Vietnam. Which had Vietnamese in it. In which Vietnamese shot and killed our soldiers. The very name of the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial says who killed those soldiers.
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Hmm...Is any of this written on the Vietnam Memorial? No, so you are unable to make the comparison.

Again why not just call it "Veteran's Memorial"? Or "US Veteran's Memoral"?
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What is your point? This argument does help not your stance on the matter, so I don't know why you're bringing it up.

Would you like to try a 4th time?
 
Lightdemon said:
Hmm...Is any of this written on the Vietnam Memorial? No, so you are unable to make the comparison.
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The name says it all. It doesn't need to be said directly. When you hear the word "Vietnam" what is the first thing that pops into your mind? The war more than likely. What happened in that war? People died. Our soldiers were killed by Vietnamese. Considering that memorial was made because of the war it should be obvious how the comparison fits and is true.

Lightdemon said:
What is your point? This argument does help not your stance on the matter, so I don't know why you're bringing it up.

Would you like to try a 4th time?
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You seriously don't get the point? After all that I have said? Explaining to you how the very name states what happened? Think about what I have said instead of just reacting to what I said. You will understand why I am asking that question.
 
danarhea said:
How would you feel about a memorial plaque, dedicated to the victim, that reads "Murdered by Christian terrorists"?
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I dont. Makes no difference to me even if its true. Sticks and stones and all that.
 
Kal'Stang said:
The name says it all. It doesn't need to be said directly. When you hear the word "Vietnam" what is the first thing that pops into your mind? The war more than likely. What happened in that war? People died. Our soldiers were killed by Vietnamese. Considering that memorial was made because of the war it should be obvious how the comparison fits and is true.

You seriously don't get the point? After all that I have said? Explaining to you how the very name states what happened? Think about what I have said instead of just reacting to what I said. You will understand why I am asking that question.
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So you're saying that the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial, even though it does not explicitly say that the Vietnamese killed our soldiers, you were still able to infer that the Vietnamese soldiers were the ones who killed our soldiers?

Then why do we have to specifically use the phrase "Murdered by Muslim Terrorists" if we can already infer that from the memorial itself like you do the Vietnamese Veteran Memorial?

You haven't really thought this through, have you?
 
Lightdemon said:
So you're saying that the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial, even though it does not explicitly say that the Vietnamese killed our soldiers, you were still able to infer that the Vietnamese soldiers were the ones who killed our soldiers?

Then why do we have to specifically use the phrase "Murdered by Muslim Terrorists" if we can already infer that from the memorial itself like you do the Vietnamese Veteran Memorial?

You haven't really thought this through, have you?
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Why not use the phrase? They both state the truth.

Wait! Let me guess. Because it's "crass"? Because it's "inflammatory? Because it's "just not politically correct"? Because it's "fifty million other not good things"?

Got three words for ya.

Grow.

Thicker.

Skin.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Why not use the phrase? They both state the truth.

Wait! Let me guess. Because it's "crass"? Because it's "inflammatory? Because it's "just not politically correct"? Because it's "fifty million other not good things"?

Got three words for ya.

Grow.

Thicker.

Skin.
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So if given the choice you would rather choose to be inflammatory than not to be inflammatory?

Seriously...You ought to think things through before you let your mouth run.
 
Lightdemon said:
So if given the choice you would rather choose to be inflammatory than not to be inflammatory?

Seriously...You ought to think things through before you let your mouth run.
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No given the chance I would rather be telling the truth instead of hiding it. And I do have a choice. As is evidenced by the fact that I support the father in what he wants quite openly.
 
Kal'Stang said:
No given the chance I would rather be telling the truth instead of hiding it. And I do have a choice. As is evidenced by the fact that I support the father in what he wants quite openly.
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How is it hiding the truth? You were able to infer the truth from the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial. The memorial didn't say "Murdered by the Viet Cong", is that hiding the truth. :roll:

If the plaque had read "Victim of 9/11" would that be hiding the truth?
 
Lightdemon said:
How is it hiding the truth? You were able to infer the truth from the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial. The memorial didn't say "Murdered by the Viet Cong", is that hiding the truth. :roll:

If the plaque had read "Victim of 9/11" would that be hiding the truth?
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No it wouldn't. But I never argued against saying that did I? I'm arguing for the father's words because that is what he wants and there should be nothing wrong with it being said. But apparently you think that there is something wrong with it. And so does that city council. I'm saying that there is nothing wrong with it. Because it is the truth. Since when is stating the truth wrong?
 
Kal'Stang said:
No it wouldn't. But I never argued against saying that did I? I'm arguing for the father's words because that is what he wants and there should be nothing wrong with it being said. But apparently you think that there is something wrong with it. And so does that city council. I'm saying that there is nothing wrong with it. Because it is the truth. Since when is stating the truth wrong?
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How does "Murdered by Muslim Terrorists" honor the death of his son? That just blames Muslim Terrorists. It serves no purpose in honoring the dead.

Again, you need to learn the difference.
 
Arcana XV said:
I don't see why the religion/race/ethnicity of the terrorists needs to be specified. They're terrorists, period. What next? "Murdered by Christian terrorists" on some abortion doctor's memorial? Or "Murdered by an American terrorist" for vitims of the Oklahoma City bombing?

What is the point? :confused:
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agreed. murdered people are always murdered by someone.....
 
Lightdemon said:
How does "Murdered by Muslim Terrorists" honor the death of his son? That just blames Muslim Terrorists. It serves no purpose in honoring the dead.

Again, you need to learn the difference.
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It lets people know the truth. How is that wrong?
 
Kal'Stang said:
It lets people know the truth. How is that wrong?
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Do you think that's the purpose of the memorial? To know the "truth"?

Please stop for a second and try to realize that the memorial is for the son who died on 9/11. It is not about placing blame, it's about honoring the dead.

Have you learned the difference yet?
 
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