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Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Carter

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  • Yes

    Votes: 11 61.1%
  • No

    Votes: 7 38.9%

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Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

I think President Obama is more progressive on health care than Jimmy Carter was.
But is it a bad thing that he has many things in common with Carter? :confused:
 
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Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

He's not much more progressive.
 
Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

I think President Obama is more progressive on health care than Jimmy Carter was.
But is it a bad thing that he has many things in common with Carter? :confused:
Considering that Carter is widely regarded as one of the worst Presidents in U.S. history, I would say so.
 
Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

There are always discernable differences.

People who fail to notice them say more about themselves than they do the politicians in question.
 
Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

There are always discernable differences.

People who fail to notice them say more about themselves than they do the politicians in question.
Care to enlighten us? I mean, it is the point of the thread and all....
 
Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

Care to enlighten us?

There are some tasks beyond even the abilities of one such as myself.

I mean, it is the point of the thread and all....

It should be an easy matter for you to think of some, then, eh?

As for me, I sure don't see Obama writing any books that set out to vilify a whole people, nor do I detect a money trail that leads me to conclude he is a puppet on a string.
 
Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

If so, please elaborate.

Obama is much more market-oriented than Carter ever was. It's difficult for me to imagine Obama ever trying to control the price of gasoline, for example.

Obama doesn't reflexively condemn Israel like Carter does, nor does he reflexively support Israel like Bush does. He has taken a more nuanced approach, supporting Israel when it deserves support and offering constructive criticism when he thinks it's appropriate.

Carter seemed much more concerned with human rights as they relate to foreign policy, whereas Obama seems much more concerned with protecting American geopolitical power.

Obama clearly supports progressive globalization while making grudging concessions to labor unions, whereas Carter was much more sympathetic to the unions and made grudging concessions to globalization.
 
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Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

The Messiah is harder to see in the dark, especially when Carter isn't grinning.
 
Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

Considering that Carter is widely regarded as one of the worst Presidents in U.S. history, I would say so.

The Messiah is trying to capture all the superlatives. Since the Best President category is taken by Reagan, he's striving for the other end.

And succeeding, too.
 
Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

Obama is much more market-oriented than Carter ever was. It's difficult for me to imagine Obama ever trying to control the price of gasoline, for example.

Obama doesn't reflexively condemn Israel like Carter does, nor does he reflexively support Israel like Bush does. He has taken a more nuanced approach, supporting Israel when it deserves support and offering constructive criticism when he thinks it's appropriate.

Carter seemed much more concerned with human rights as they relate to foreign policy, whereas Obama seems much more concerned with protecting American geopolitical power.

Obama clearly supports progressive globalization while making grudging concessions to labor unions, whereas Carter was much more sympathetic to the unions and made grudging concessions to globalization.
You were doing great with your first 2 points, but I'm not sure where the second half of that came from. Obama is interested in preserving geopolitical power? Every word and action he has taken since in office suggests that he views American power as the cause of problems around the globe.

Begrudging giving concessions to labor unions? Wow, man, sorry but that is laughable. Obama is in the union's pocket. What do you think a "community organizer" is? They voted for him in droves and he owes them. Obama is the unions' wet dream.
 
Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

You were doing great with your first 2 points, but I'm not sure where the second half of that came from. Obama is interested in preserving geopolitical power? Every word and action he has taken since in office suggests that he views American power as the cause of problems around the globe.

He likely views abuse of American power as something that harms our geopolitical interests. What I meant was that he seems more concerned with American power than with speaking out on behalf of all human rights activists anywhere in the world. For better or for worse, this is why he's decided to open diplomatic channels with the Sudan, despite the fact that its head of state is currently under indictment for war crimes by the ICC. For better or for worse, this was the main reason his criticism of Iran was relatively muted during their election aftermath. For better or for worse, he decided that our commercial relations with China were more important than meeting with the Dali Lama. I can't envision Jimmy Carter making decisions like that too often.

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Begrudging giving concessions to labor unions? Wow, man, sorry but that is laughable. Obama is in the union's pocket. What do you think a "community organizer" is? They voted for him in droves and he owes them. Obama is the unions' wet dream.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think that Obama is necessarily OPPOSED to labor unions. But when given a choice between protectionism and free trade, I think Obama's instincts are for the latter, unless there is sufficient political pressure otherwise. I think it was just the opposite with Jimmy Carter.
 
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Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

The Messiah is trying to capture all the superlatives. Since the Best President category is taken by Reagan, he's striving for the other end.

And succeeding, too.


The fact that you list Reagan in the "best president" category tells us everything that we need to know about your judgement.:doh
 
Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

The fact that you list Reagan in the "best president" category tells us everything that we need to know about your judgement.:doh
And others questioned why I said so much is still the same. Glad you could skip the topic and go straight to an ad hom, but ain't that an infractable offense? :2wave:
 
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Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

The fact that you list Reagan in the "best president" category tells us everything that we need to know about your judgement.:doh

Yes.

You now know that I'm astute, perfect, and correct.

That you disagree says truckloads about you. But I'm too nice to list them, and I wouldn't live long enough to complete the task.
 
Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

Yes.

You now know that I'm astute, perfect, and correct.

That you disagree says truckloads about you. But I'm too nice to list them, and I wouldn't live long enough to complete the task.

I'm ashamed to say that I voted for Reagan. The one vote I wish I could take back.
 
Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

Considering that Carter is widely regarded as one of the worst Presidents in U.S. history, I would say so.

Among right wingers probably. You overstatements don't apply to everone's opinions.
 
Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

I'm ashamed to say that I voted for Reagan. The one vote I wish I could take back.

We're ashamed you voted for Reagan, too.

Great ones like he don't deserve such abuse.
 
Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

Among right wingers probably. You overstatements don't apply to everone's opinions.

It's not an opinion, it's an objective fact when measuring things like GDP growth, unemployment, inflation, foreign policy failures, and the rest.
 
Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

We're ashamed you voted for Reagan, too.

Great ones like he don't deserve such abuse.

Your talking about his acting right?
 
Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

The Messiah is harder to see in the dark, especially when Carter isn't grinning.
Do I detect hatred, or just ignorance ?
Scare......, your response is not worthy of comment.
 
Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

Do I detect hatred, or just ignorance ?
Scare......, your response is not worthy of comment.

No, you detect a discussion of the apparent morphological difference between two presidents. Without those gross physical characteristics, and maybe an accent or two, there's no telling them apart.

They're idiots.

They're ignorant.

They're incompetent.

They're failures.

Really, there's no difference betwixt 'em.
 
Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

Among right wingers probably. You overstatements don't apply to everone's opinions.
I would love for you to explain to me how President Carter had a net positive impact on this country. I'll wait.

You can claim that Carter is only disliked by Republicans, but that only displays a willful ignorance on your part of the facts. His policies were utter failures, and he is widely regarded as being among the worst presidents in our nation's history.
 
Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

I would love for you to explain to me how President Carter had a net positive impact on this country. I'll wait.

You can claim that Carter is only disliked by Republicans, but that only displays a willful ignorance on your part of the facts. His policies were utter failures, and he is widely regarded as being among the worst presidents in our nation's history.

Carter was not only a horrible President, he is a horrible former President.... but I expect Obama to out do him in both arenas.
 
Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

Are you sure you didn't mean... Any discernible difference in actions and policy between Barack Obama and George Bush Jr. for the title? :doh
 
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