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"Illegal Alien"

Is the term "illegal alien" offensive?

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Agnapostate said:
Goodness. If only I had claimed that the term "alien" originated as a propaganda term instead of claiming that its modern usage in the context of discussion of immigration was for propagandistic purposes. If only. :)
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That also, wasn't part in the entry.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I can't even SAY tzotzil, much less speak it, darlin. I have the limitations of thousands of years of whiteness. I also can't slur my r's.
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Spanish is a white language invented by a white people; where's the excuse? :)

Catz Part Deux said:
the terms have a legal meaning that is not communicated by the more propagandistic--Wait. I mean politically correct--phrase "undocumented," which implies that they have some legal status in this country but have simply set their documents aside momentarily.

:mrgreen:
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Actually, the term "undocumented" implies some illicit avoidance of a criminal registration system, not that it's accurate, since many illegal immigrants simply have fake documents. But "illegal immigrant" avoids the more obviously crude terms designed to play on ill-conceived xenophobic sentiments rather than rational analysis.

DrunkenAsparagus said:
That also, wasn't part in the entry.
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Was I referring to the entry? Was I referring to a definition, or the context of the term's usage? :2wave:
 
Agnapostate said:
Spanish is a white language invented by a white people; where's the excuse? :)
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They aren't MY KIND of white people.

Actually, the term "undocumented" implies some illicit avoidance of a criminal registration system, not that it's accurate, since many illegal immigrants simply have fake documents. But "illegal immigrant" avoids the more obviously crude terms designed to play on ill-conceived xenophobic sentiments rather than rational analysis.
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I'm a fan of illegal immigrant, but I understand that's passe in many latino communities.
 
Agnapostate said:
Was I referring to the entry? Was I referring to a definition, or the context of the term's usage? :2wave:
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Nowhere in there is Alien reffered to as a propaganda term
 
Catz Part Deux said:
They aren't MY KIND of white people.
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They're Mediterranean, true, but there's still more genetic similarity between Mediterranean, Anglo-Saxon, and Scandinavian whites than between Mediterranean whites and Amerindians and Siberians. Spaniards' Spanish does sound kind of stupid, IMO, and you'd probably not want to say "vosotros" anyway. ;)

Catz Part Deux said:
I'm a fan of illegal immigrant, but I understand that's passe in many latino communities.
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:shrug:

DrunkenAsparagus said:
Nowhere in there is Alien reffered to as a propaganda term
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Where's the option for "I don't give a **** if someone is offended by the truth" ?
 
Cephus said:
There's nothing dehumanizing about it, it is expressly pointing out that they have violated the law. If that's dehumanizing, they have no one to blame but themselves.
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It's more dehumanizing to prevent them from working.
 
We have to make an effort to protect oue own working class. People whose ancestors built this country.

Mexico has to make an effort to provide jobs to its citizens, unless it's easier to just ship them across the border, leaving their parents and wives and children. Nobody wants to move to a different country away from their loved ones and their culture!

We should strive to do everything we can to undo this mess. Anything that forces Mexico and other countries to provide jobs to its citizens is the right thing to do. Our open arms are hurting the illegals in the end.
 
The fact that they're here illegally makes me care less what we call them.
I mean, I could possibly see a cause for objection when you describe legal immigrants as aliens, but illegals are here illegally.
 
sazerac said:
We have to make an effort to protect oue own working class. People whose ancestors built this country.

Mexico has to make an effort to provide jobs to its citizens, unless it's easier to just ship them across the border, leaving their parents and wives and children. Nobody wants to move to a different country away from their loved ones and their culture!

We should strive to do everything we can to undo this mess. Anything that forces Mexico and other countries to provide jobs to its citizens is the right thing to do. Our open arms are hurting the illegals in the end.
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I agree, shutting the border would be a good first step......;)
 
I think Trespasser sounds better, but Illegal Alien is more accurate a descriptive.
 
Cephus said:
There's nothing dehumanizing about it, it is expressly pointing out that they have violated the law. If that's dehumanizing, they have no one to blame but themselves.
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Illegal immigrant or Illegal alien does that, but defining them as "illegal" with no qualifier does dehumanize them. It removes any human context.
 
the makeout hobo said:
Illegal immigrant or Illegal alien does that, but defining them as "illegal" with no qualifier does dehumanize them. It removes any human context.
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Illegal immigrants are the only ones referred to as illegals, so no it doesn't dehumanize them.
 
the makeout hobo said:
How is that even relevent?
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You claimed that since there is no qualifier then it dehumanizes them, which is a load of bull ****. Illegals is merely a shorted version of illegal aliens.
 
jamesrage said:
You claimed that since there is no qualifier then it dehumanizes them, which is a load of bull ****. Illegals is merely a shorted version of illegal aliens.
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And "nigger" is a corrupted form of "negro" which merely means black.
 
Agnapostate said:
Actually, I'd say that both terms are used as elements of the propaganda that I mentioned. :shrug:
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Oh bull****.

There are here in a manner that is against the law. Whether you want to use the term "alien" or "immigrant" doesn't matter.

In either case, they are still here illegally.

It is accurate, not propaganda.
 
the makeout hobo said:
And "nigger" is a corrupted form of "negro" which merely means black.
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Not the same thong. Nigger is racial slur, illegals is not. Plus due to its association with the word nigger I seriously doubt that it is acceptable to call any black in this country a negro.
 
jamesrage said:
Not the same thing. Nigger is racial slur, illegals is not. Plus due to its association with the word nigger I seriously doubt that it is acceptable to call any black in this country a negro.
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It's funny (not to derail my own thread) but it is interesting how the word "Negro" has played out.

I never had a problem with Negro as it is a short form derived from the scientific term "negroid": Negroid, or congoid, is a racial category used to describe people of sub-Saharan African origin.

Yet because of the era it comes from or it's close association with the word "nigger" it has somehow become derogatory.

Amazing how times change.

Anyway you are correct in that "illegals" is not a racial term or even a put down of any sort. It simply means a group of people in this country illegally. It is like saying criminals.
 
jamesrage said:
Not the same thong. Nigger is racial slur, illegals is not. Plus due to its association with the word nigger I seriously doubt that it is acceptable to call any black in this country a negro.
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Nor is the use of the term illegal isolated to any single racial or ethnic group.
 
Agnapostate said:
Was I referring to the entry? Was I referring to a definition, or the context of the term's usage? :2wave:
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Nothing in the entry pointed to it as a propaganda usage. If the media and politicians were often using it out of context, then yes it would be a propaganda term of sorts. However, it is not. As far as anyone can show, it's only been used widely in the correct usage. It's no differant than saying criminals, which illegal immigrants, regardless of one's sance on immigration, are. I'm not quite sure how a person can use a term correctly, and that be propaganda
 
Redress said:
No, it is not offensive. Being an alien, and in the country illegally, makes them illegal aliens.
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Well that's what I was going to say.

Must American society be politicaly correct even about the obvious?
 
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