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Should the NFL do more to recruit non-Blacks as players?

Should the NFL be doing more to recruit non-Blacks as players?

  • They should have quotas to properly represent each ethnic group

    Votes: 1 3.3%
  • They need a specific affirmative action program for non-Blacks

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • They should make more effort to recruit non-Blacks

    Votes: 2 6.7%
  • 70% does seem out of balance, are they giving Blacks preferential treatment?

    Votes: 2 6.7%
  • If Blacks are better at football, so be it. The best player should play

    Votes: 25 83.3%
  • They need more Black coaches and less Black players

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    30
sigh. has anyone ever complained about THAT?

It's an illustration of the point. If we're performances base, those from sub-standard schools cannot compete with those from superior schools. It's the same with athletics..and well most anything. Those with skill and opportunity succeed and can compete against the best. Those without cannot. What justifies some areas as needing placement of unfair laws while others go by pure competition.

You see, the solution to your problem isn't that we should give those without the ability to compete a chance to play for the Patriots. It's that the school system which is in dire need of an overhaul needs to be overhauled. Fix the base, don't apply band-aids. In the end, a band-aid will not fix the root problem.
 
It's an illustration of the point. If we're performances base, those from sub-standard schools cannot compete with those from superior schools. It's the same with athletics..and well most anything. Those with skill and opportunity succeed and can compete against the best. Those without cannot. What justifies some areas as needing placement of unfair laws while others go by pure competition.

You see, the solution to your problem isn't that we should give those without the ability to compete a chance to play for the Patriots. It's that the school system which is in dire need of an overhaul needs to be overhauled. Fix the base, don't apply band-aids. In the end, a band-aid will not fix the root problem.

You say it so much better than I can.

Thanks
 
Yes they have. Thats why we now have the bull**** "everyone is a winner" crap. Can't let little Johnny learn that you have to work to be the best, everything is just given to you.

It is amazing how stupid the majority of people are.
althletics is very different. education is much more important, and that's the place where i believe we still need affirmative action. mostly economics, imo.

and just who is stuipd?
 
can students who attend sub par schools receiving a sub par education compete for the same university spots as those students attending superior schools?

Then why don't you adress the issue of poverty? Poor and minority aren't interchangable
 
It's an illustration of the point. If we're performances base, those from sub-standard schools cannot compete with those from superior schools. It's the same with athletics..and well most anything. Those with skill and opportunity succeed and can compete against the best. Those without cannot. What justifies some areas as needing placement of unfair laws while others go by pure competition.

You see, the solution to your problem isn't that we should give those without the ability to compete a chance to play for the Patriots. It's that the school system which is in dire need of an overhaul needs to be overhauled. Fix the base, don't apply band-aids. In the end, a band-aid will not fix the root problem.
those with skill are not necessarily those with opportunity. football, basketball and other sports are in not the same arena as education.

it's not MY problem, it's OUR problem. equal opportunity should mean just that, and it clearly doesn't.
 
althletics is very different. education is much more important, and that's the place where i believe we still need affirmative action. mostly economics, imo.

and just who is stuipd?

The idiots who support racism via government. Let my brothers and sisters stand up on their own. We don't need the ****ing "white mans" charity.
 
Then why don't you adress the issue of poverty? Poor and minority aren't interchangable
no, they're not.....but poor often means minority. and poor and minority together are clearly 2 strikes.

if we were to discuss poverty, the same people who are calling me stupid here would continue in the same vein.
 
The idiots who support racism via government. Let my brothers and sisters stand up on their own. We don't need the ****ing "white mans" charity.
in any form?
 
those with skill are not necessarily those with opportunity. football, basketball and other sports are in not the same arena as education.

it's not MY problem, it's OUR problem. equal opportunity should mean just that, and it clearly doesn't.

So what about poor white and asain children? It's bull**** racism no matter how you try and justify it, can't you see that?

So you are saying blacks are to stupid or weak to make it on our own? Are you saying because we are poor we can't make it like a poor white person???

It's racist bull****.
 
those with skill are not necessarily those with opportunity. football, basketball and other sports are in not the same arena as education.

it's not MY problem, it's OUR problem. equal opportunity should mean just that, and it clearly doesn't.

I'm not saying there isn't a problem with the education system. I'm saying you're approaching it in the wrong manner. The problem is public education and its failure especially in the more heavily urban areas. That needs to be fixed. That's the root problem. Solve that, you don't need to rig it so that some scrawny kid with asthma is playing QB for the Steelers.
 
in any form?

Absolutly.

Each person should be judged on their own merit. Not an arbitrary system by race.

Getting away from this is the only way to let blacks rise up for ourselves.

I guess you can tell I am pretty sick of the excuses. Don't take it personal, just a hot subject for me.
 
So what about poor white and asain children? It's bull**** racism no matter how you try and justify it, can't you see that?

So you are saying blacks are to stupid or weak to make it on our own? Are you saying because we are poor we can't make it like a poor white person???

It's racist bull****.
who said that? are you serioulsy telling me poor black people have the same opportunity as pooor whites? it's your contention that there is no racism. got it.

hmm....let me put that before all the white people i work with, in a large bank that clearly is discriminatory.
 
who said that? are you serioulsy telling me poor black people have the same opportunity as pooor whites? it's your contention that there is no racism. got it.

hmm....let me put that before all the white people i work with, in a large bank that clearly is discriminatory.

I work in a lab, you probably don't want to know the demographics of physicists.
 
Absolutly.

Each person should be judged on their own merit. Not an arbitrary system by race.

Getting away from this is the only way to let blacks rise up for ourselves.

I guess you can tell I am pretty sick of the excuses. Don't take it personal, just a hot subject for me.
of course people should be judged on their merit, and i'm not taking it personally, my family is very much "integrated".

but how can you deny children the opportunity for an equal education? because right now, it's not happening. hence, the opportunity to attend top notch colleges is denied, at least more remote.

i don't belive equal opportunity = equal outcome, but i want the OPPORTUNITY to be there.
as i mentioned before, economics plays a big role.
 
who said that? are you serioulsy telling me poor black people have the same opportunity as pooor whites?

Yes. They do. I know, I grew up black.

it's your contention that there is no racism. got it.

Ridicules fallacy.

My contention is that there is. Coming from people like yourself who think blacks can't make it without some kind of advantage. :roll:

hmm....let me put that before all the white people i work with, in a large bank that clearly is discriminatory.

How white guilt of you. :roll:
 
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Yes. They do. I know, I grew up black.



Redicules fallacy.

My contention is that there is. Coming from people like yourself who think blacks can't make it without some kind of advantage. :roll:



How white guilt of you. :roll:
lol.....i grew up poor and white. did you grow up poor?

i have no white guilt. no guilt at all, as a matter of fact.

i don't believe equal opportunity is an advantage.
 
Yet Rob Johnson was never taken as one of the best QBs ever, and he has better stats than McNabb and a Super Bowl win.

You cannot possibly mean Rob Johnson. He was ****ing terrible. His stats aren't even in the same ballpark as McNabb's. Although he was on the Bucs superbowl team, it was as a backup to Brad Johnson.

And if we compare Brad Johnson's career stats: Brad Johnson: Career Stats

To McNabb's career stats: Donovan McNabb: Career Stats

We see that they are pretty similar in the raw passing stats, except for TD's and INT's, where McNabb looks a good deal better in both categories (20% more TDs and 25% fewer INTS with a similar number of total attempts).

Those are far from being "better" stats for Johnson, if anything those passing numbers are worse (except completion percentage. Johnson's got that one... barely)

Add in McNabb's rushing stats and the length of their careers to achieve the similar stats and there's no comparison. McNabb slaughters Brad Johnson.

Here are Rob Johnson's stats, by the way, in case you think I'm bull****ting that he sucked:

Rob Johnson: Career Stats

Rob Johnson seriously sucked. :lol:
 
but how can you deny children the opportunity for an equal education?

You mean like the white person that got passed up for the black that flunked out? Or the white person that scored much higher on the entrance exam but got beat out by someone else's race?

Since when are 18 and 19 year olds children? I suppose you think we send children off to war as well?

because right now, it's not happening. hence, the opportunity to attend top notch colleges is denied, at least more remote.

Welcome to the real world. Work hard and rise up to the challenge.

i don't belive equal opportunity = equal outcome, but i want the OPPORTUNITY to be there.
as i mentioned before, economics plays a big role.

Not as big as you mite think. It is still irrelevant. any quota based on race is wrong, period. Nothing you can say to justify such racism, and it is racism.
 
You cannot possibly mean Rob Johnson. He was ****ing terrible. His stats aren't even in the same ballpark as McNabb's. Although he was on the Bucs superbowl team, it was as a backup to Brad Johnson.

And if we compare Brad Johnson's career stats: Brad Johnson: Career Stats

To McNabb's career stats: Donovan McNabb: Career Stats

We see that they are pretty similar in the raw passing stats, except for TD's and INT's, where McNabb looks a good deal better in both categories (20% more TDs and 25% fewer INTS with a similar number of total attempts).

Those are far from being "better" stats for Johnson, if anything those passing numbers are worse (except completion percentage. Johnson's got that one... barely)

Add in McNabb's rushing stats and the length of their careers to achieve the similar stats and there's no comparison. McNabb slaughters Brad Johnson.

Here are Rob Johnson's stats, by the way, in case you think I'm bull****ting that he sucked:

Rob Johnson: Career Stats

Rob Johnson seriously sucked. :lol:

Damn you Tucker! Pointing out my mistakes!
*shakes fist*
 
That still doesn't address the disparity in racial composition. We need the NFL to be more representative of America. White people deserve the same chance as blacks to play professional football. Black men's inherent physical superiority affords them an unfair physical advantage over whites. This must be rectified.
white people have the same chance already. black men are inherently physically superior? really? are you angling for an MNF job?
 
You mean like the white person that got passed up for the black that flunked out? Or the white person that scored much higher on the entrance exam but got beat out by someone else's race?

Since when are 18 and 19 year olds children? I suppose you think we send children off to war as well?



Welcome to the real world. Work hard and rise up to the challenge.



Not as big as you mite think. It is still irrelevant. any quota based on race is wrong, period. Nothing you can say to justify such racism, and it is racism.

Stop empowering yourself! You're supposed to be a victim!
 
Damn it. Do we really need to make the NFL an object of partisan politics?

Why couldn't we just ask this question more directly? Something along the lines of: "Do you agree with affirmative action?" Or more partisan "Do you think affirmative action should be abolished?".

Now just because someone doesn't want affirmative action in the NFL, does not mean that they might not think it has a reasonable place in other institutions. There are thousands of industries, firms and businesses that are dominated by various categories of races, sexes, sexual orientations, where I don't think affirmative action has any place. However, education and public services are different because they are inherently political institutions. Sure we can debate as to whether affirmative action in these institutions is good public policy. However, bringing some irrelevant third party institution into the mix is just distracting. Just because we disagree on affirmative action in schools doesn't mean we need to disagree on the NFL.
 
You mean like the white person that got passed up for the black that flunked out? Or the white person that scored much higher on the entrance exam but got beat out by someone else's race?

Since when are 18 and 19 year olds children? I suppose you think we send children off to war as well?



Welcome to the real world. Work hard and rise up to the challenge.



Not as big as you mite think. It is still irrelevant. any quota based on race is wrong, period. Nothing you can say to justify such racism, and it is racism.
no, i mean like the third grader who doesn't have text books.......

i don't believe i can argue with a person who believes economics is irrelevant. again, did you grow up poor?
 
black men are inherently physically superior? really?

There's a reason why the vast majority of NFL and NBA players are black. I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing it out.
 
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