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Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car?

Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car?

  • Yes. The rule against weapons on campus needs to be enforced! What sort of message does that send?

    Votes: 1 2.6%

  • He should have gotten less time since it wasn't a very deadly weapon and his intent was not violent

    Votes: 2 5.3%

  • I'm not sure about this one...

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • He should have had a warning.

    Votes: 4 10.5%

  • What is wrong with school official these days? Seriously, this is ridiculous!

    Votes: 31 81.6%
  • Total voters
    38
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

American said:
I think lightdemon has something against Scouts to be arguing this **** for this long.
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Or it could be that some folks just don't understand what is it I'm trying to say, and instead of trying to understand they just think I'm out to get all those boy scouts with pocket knives. :doh

For **** sakes, no one on here actually knows what I'm talking about!


I do not think that 20 days of suspension was fair. He should have recieved less. However, because of the zero-tolerance policy was in place, the administrators could not give anything else except the minimum. If the administrators hands were tied, how can it be their fault? If you blame the administrators, then that is an unfair judgment.

Your beef is with the policy itself and why it was in place in the first place. Which I have acknowledge that it isn't always good, but nonetheless the zero-tolerance policy still serves a purpose (a safegaurd against discrimination). Which is why I have said that you must choose your poison.
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

Blackdog said:
No. It is what I think of people who support "zero tolerence" in any form.

What the **** does this have to do with you?

Although this...

"If it keeps the children safe, it's OK to screw over a few people." - Blackdog

Certainly applies to you...
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So let me get this straight, your post wasn't addressed to me, but that little bolded part applied to me...And you didn't expect to get a response from me? Please, you were getting your shots in, and you expected me to just let you say those things about me? You're not fooling anyone.
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

First off the Young Man didn't have the pocket knife on his person it was locked in a survival kit in the trunk of his car. So please once again show me how this so-called zero tolerance works.

According to the School District no student can carry a weapon on their person.

The last time I look a car isn't consider part of your person.
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

Scorpion89 said:
First off the Young Man didn't have the pocket knife on his person it was locked in a survival kit in the trunk of his car. So please once again show me how this so-called zero tolerance works.

According to the School District no student can carry a weapon on their person.

The last time I look a car isn't consider part of your person.
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According to the actual school policy:

Possessing a weapon. Authorized law enforcement officials are the only persons permitted to have a weapon in their possession while on school property or at a school function.

It only says possession. It does not explicitly say that it must be on your person. If the car is a possession of the student, then so is the knife.
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

Lightdemon said:
So let me get this straight, your post wasn't addressed to me, but that little bolded part applied to me...And you didn't expect to get a response from me? Please, you were getting your shots in, and you expected me to just let you say those things about me? You're not fooling anyone.
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Read what I posted again, but this time pull your head out of your ass. :roll:
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

Lightdemon said:
You were baiting me.
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No I ****ing was not you paranoid so in so. I made a general statement directed at people who support zero tolerance. After your response I pointed out a part of it that could apply to you.

Holy **** man get a ****ing clue.
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

This case is almost as silly as that case where that 6 year-old boy took his camping untisels to school.

They were going to send a 6 year-old to reform school! What the **** is wrong with these people?

He's an eagle scout!!! If I were that school, I wouldn't be worried about an eagle scout with a two inch camping knife!

What's next?

Are they going to suspend third graders for having those giant sharpened pencils?
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

Blackdog said:
No I ****ing was not you paranoid so in so. I made a general statement directed at people who support zero tolerance. After your response I pointed out a part of it that could apply to you.

Holy **** man get a ****ing clue.
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Fine whatever.
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

Hmm so it is now being reported that the School District doesn't even have a Zero Tolerance Policy anywhere on the books.
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

Lightdemon said:
Or it could be that some folks just don't understand what is it I'm trying to say, and instead of trying to understand they just think I'm out to get all those boy scouts with pocket knives. :doh

For **** sakes, no one on here actually knows what I'm talking about!


I do not think that 20 days of suspension was fair. He should have recieved less. However, because of the zero-tolerance policy was in place, the administrators could not give anything else except the minimum. If the administrators hands were tied, how can it be their fault? If you blame the administrators, then that is an unfair judgment.

Your beef is with the policy itself and why it was in place in the first place. Which I have acknowledge that it isn't always good, but nonetheless the zero-tolerance policy still serves a purpose (a safegaurd against discrimination). Which is why I have said that you must choose your poison.
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No, we don't agree he should be punished. The principal and school board have discretion in applying policies.
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

American said:
No, we don't agree he should be punished. The principal and school board have discretion in applying policies.
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I don't think he should be punished either. There's a difference however between should and must.

He must be punished because the policy was in place. This is all I'm saying. Since the policy was in place at this school, the administrators must carry out the punishment because they must follow their own rules.

So do I think the eagle scout should be punished? No. But do I think the school administrators were wrong in giving out the punishment? No because they have to follow their own rules.

Whether you disagree that the zero-tolerance policy should be used is irrelevant because it was already part of the circumstances. Because of this the administrators could NOT do nothing.
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

Scorpion89 said:
Hmm so it is now being reported that the School District doesn't even have a Zero Tolerance Policy anywhere on the books.
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Where did you find this piece of information? That would be interesting.
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

Lightdemon said:
Where did you find this piece of information? That would be interesting.
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School Chief Sticks By 'Zero Tolerance' Ruling for Eagle Scout - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

From the article,

Lansingburgh Central School District Superintendent George J. Goodwin, 55, said in a written statement that his district "has an established policy of zero tolerance with respect to the possession of weapons of any kind on school property or in school buildings."

But nowhere in the school district's rule book, which is published online, is there any mention of a "zero tolerance" policy, leading some to question whether Goodwin, in fact, was compelled to suspend the youth.
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

Scorpion89 said:
School Chief Sticks By 'Zero Tolerance' Ruling for Eagle Scout - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

From the article,

Lansingburgh Central School District Superintendent George J. Goodwin, 55, said in a written statement that his district "has an established policy of zero tolerance with respect to the possession of weapons of any kind on school property or in school buildings."

But nowhere in the school district's rule book, which is published online, is there any mention of a "zero tolerance" policy, leading some to question whether Goodwin, in fact, was compelled to suspend the youth.
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This changes everything for me. If there was no zero-tolerance policy in place, then there is no one forcing the administrators to punish the scout. That's very disappointing.

But how come the superintendent was not aware that his own school didn't have a zero-tolerance policy? This seems very odd.
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

How about some more good news?

"The Director of Admissions at West Point called and told me [Whalen] that this would be a non-issue for my application there," Matthew says. That's no guarantee that he'll be accepted, but Matthew says it's an assurance that the suspension won't be the reason he doesn't get into the school.


http://www.wten.com/Global/story.asp?S=11316706
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

Lightdemon said:
I don't think he should be punished either. There's a difference however between should and must.

He must be punished because the policy was in place. This is all I'm saying. Since the policy was in place at this school, the administrators must carry out the punishment because they must follow their own rules.

So do I think the eagle scout should be punished? No. But do I think the school administrators were wrong in giving out the punishment? No because they have to follow their own rules.

Whether you disagree that the zero-tolerance policy should be used is irrelevant because it was already part of the circumstances. Because of this the administrators could NOT do nothing.
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he who must not be named thanked you for your useful post :shock:
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

Lightdemon said:
How about some more good news?

"The Director of Admissions at West Point called and told me [Whalen] that this would be a non-issue for my application there," Matthew says. That's no guarantee that he'll be accepted, but Matthew says it's an assurance that the suspension won't be the reason he doesn't get into the school.


UPDATE: suspended Eagle Scout gets some answers - WTEN: Albany, New York News, Weather, Sports -
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Awesome!-:)
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

emdash said:
he who must not be named thanked you for your useful post :shock:
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Does that make me a Death Eater?
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

So what has not been said on this subject? Not much.

I just want to note that policies such as these which we are almost unanimously against are put in place by the ultraliberal NEA and moms everywhere who can't differentiate between tool, toy and weapon. They are made "zero tolerance" not to provide bias protection but because if discretion is used in applying punishment, bias can and will be claimed. Just ask Sharpton. :cool:

BTW, what good is a tool if you don't have it when you need it? Anyone asking the question "what could you possibly use a pocket knife for" is an obviously and pitifully urban animal. Okay! I take it back! There are just as many if not more useful purposes for an urban knife.

If I don't have my pocket knife, I am naked, alone and at risk of starvation. Where's my knife!
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

So here's an update:
Eagle Scout Hires Lawyer to Appeal Monthlong School Suspension - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com


It seems that the parents have got a lawyer now, and they're looking to get the suspension reversed, and to take it out of his permanent record. Which is good. They're arguing that there were many procedural steps that were not taken appropriately by the school. However, it doesn't seem like they're disputing whether or not there is a zero-tolerance policy in place. At least it doesn't seem like it's their main form of attack at this point. :shrug:
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

A couple years back, a kid got suspended from school for carrying a plastic keychain that looked like a gun. :rofl
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

My dad set our birthdays for new responsibilities and privileges. I remember the age for owning a jack knife was nine.

He thinks all men should have at least a box cutter in their pocket. We do open packages and boxes every day.

A bb gun was ten and a rifle was twelve.
 
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