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Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

Do you want the United States to decriminalize all drugs?

  • Yes

    Votes: 24 50.0%

  • No

    Votes: 18 37.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 6 12.5%
  • Total voters
    48
Kandahar said:
None of your analysis supports your conclusion that decriminalizing drugs will lead to more crime.
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I was talking about Mexico being a chithole. Especially DF. But really crime here in the states isn't too bad and I don't see how drugs being legal in small amounts would hurt. But it would hurt if it were legal and accepted. People in the US are spoiled. I said that and meant that. The government protects them from just too much. You don't get that in Mexico.
I did say though that it was the governments responsibility to preserve order. And I really think that drug legalization would lead to more crime because those gangbangers are going to be making money how? By committing more violent acts. I know thats a bad analysis. Its just the way I see it.
 
stalin_was_a_nice_being said:
But really crime here in the states isn't too bad and I don't see how drugs being legal in small amounts would hurt.

But it would hurt if it were legal and accepted.

And I really think that drug legalization would lead to more crime

because those gangbangers are going to be making money how? By committing more violent acts.
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Actually, they will have to go out and get real jobs because their black market revenue stream will be dry. Especially if Coke, H and Meth are legalized along with Pot. There should be a reduction in violent crime.
 
stalin_was_a_nice_being said:
I was talking about Mexico being a chithole. Especially DF. But really crime here in the states isn't too bad and I don't see how drugs being legal in small amounts would hurt. But it would hurt if it were legal and accepted. People in the US are spoiled. I said that and meant that. The government protects them from just too much. You don't get that in Mexico.
I did say though that it was the governments responsibility to preserve order. And I really think that drug legalization would lead to more crime because those gangbangers are going to be making money how? By committing more violent acts. I know thats a bad analysis. Its just the way I see it.
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Why would the gangbangers make more money if drugs were legal? I guarantee that legitimate shops would drive them out of business within a year or two. If I was a drug user, why would I risk buying my drugs from a shady criminal when I could buy it from an actual business?
 
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jr602az said:
okay but its legal to smoke it.lol Why do you need lots of drugs if you only need a joint or 2.lol
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No, it's not legal to smoke it, you note they didn't LEGALIZE drugs, they just DECRIMINALIZED them. There is a difference. It means that within a certain narrow guideline, the police won't bother to arrest you if that's the only thing you're doing wrong. However, if you're also doing other things, they can still charge you with possession and use of drugs. It's still illegal, there's just a set of conditions under which they'll turn a blind eye.
 
reefedjib said:
The war on drugs is a complete failure.
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It's because we don't have a war on drugs. We have never had a war on drugs. We have a public relations campaign on drugs. We've never been serious and if we actually were serious, we could severely cut down on drug use and especially on drug importation into this country.

But we'd rather just talk about it than do anything.
 
Cephus said:
It's because we don't have a war on drugs. We have never had a war on drugs. We have a public relations campaign on drugs. We've never been serious and if we actually were serious, we could severely cut down on drug use and especially on drug importation into this country.
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You really think so? I am extremely doubtful that it can be done at reasonable cost.

I mean it's possible at some point I suppose, but how many people would it take to man every inch of the entire border, north and south? There is so much money involved, the smugglers would find a way. But you are right, it may drastically reduce the amount of drugs coming across.

I don't think it will be at reasonable cost. I don't think we would be willing to pay the price necesary. Therefore, we should drop the facade and legalize it. Follow me?
 
Kandahar said:
Uhh the reason Mexican crime is so rampant is BECAUSE of the war on drugs. If drugs were legalized, the drug cartels would have no reason to exist. This is an important step for Mexico, but it doesn't go nearly far enough, because the sale and production of drugs are still illegal.
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True. They would all become politicians, just like they did in the United States when Prohibition ended. LOL.

Repeat after me......

Senor Juan Kennedero. :mrgreen:
 
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jr602az said:
wrong choice.lol
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I voted "no" because the OP has to put "lol" at the end of every ****ing sentence.


In all honesty decriminalizing drugs is a good idea. Tax the **** out of it and let adults decide what they can or can't put into their own bodies.
 
Cephus said:
Not a chance, and you'll notice that Mexico has *NOT* decriminalized all drugs, there are limits to the amount of any particular drug that one can possess and not be arrested for it. You can still not deal drugs, you just won't clog their jails for having any trace of illegal substances.
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It would seem that Mexico is now a more advanced than America.
Hey !
Lets get with the program, and to hell with the conservatives, they can go join the taliban..:rofl
 
stalin_was_a_nice_being said:
Are you a Mexican? I'am. My family is polical or judicial whatever you want to call it. My aunt is a federal judge, and my uncle is a federal prosecutor and my grandfather was the Chief Justice of Mexico for a time. You need to understand that the government has no control in Mexico. Things are crazy, if you call the police because your home has been burgalized. The police will go and burgarlize you....again. And the people have no respect for the law and it's not a culture where people treat each other good. There are many bad people and many of those bad people get away with their crimes. If you withdraw a large amount of money from the bank, the banker handing you the money will call her friends. And those friends will rob you at gun point when you leave the bank. Those bank robbers are either gang members or cops. There have been many cases where the victim was shot and killed and the body is never recovered. Do you know what its like for the family to go without never knowing what happened to a love one?
And I remember on the highway, these armed robbers robbed a women in front of a lot of other cars AND not to far away was a cop. Did anyone help her? No. They stole her purse and got away and the other drivers continued about their business without offering to help her or stopping and asking if she was ok. Mexico is not a good country to live and not even to visit. My cousin and his friends got burgarlized in the metro three different times in one day. You can't go to the cops. You can't trust anyone around you.
When you are being robbed remember that you give them whatevery they want BUT never get into a car with them and never let them take you anywhere.
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Yeah I dunno, but I did spend three months there and didn't encounter any of the **** you're talking about. But hey, I've no doubt that **** happens in certain places in the country. It happens in certain places in the US.

So, what does that have to do with legalizing drugs?
 
Baralis said:
Im pretty sure I have an allergic reaction to it. I dont have a typical response to it.
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I thought I was going to die the 4th or so time I tried pot. I felt like my veins where bursting. I wanted to go to the hospital. I had no tolerance to THC and over smoked incredibly. (was trying to keep on pace with friends) Later I learned to just take a couple lung fulls out of 1 bowl only and share the rest. WAY better. Then it grew to 2 bowls.... 3... 4.... :(
 
stalin_was_a_nice_being said:
Are you a Mexican? I'am. My family is polical or judicial whatever you want to call it. My aunt is a federal judge, and my uncle is a federal prosecutor and my grandfather was the Chief Justice of Mexico for a time. You need to understand that the government has no control in Mexico. Things are crazy, if you call the police because your home has been burgalized. The police will go and burgarlize you....again. And the people have no respect for the law and it's not a culture where people treat each other good. There are many bad people and many of those bad people get away with their crimes. If you withdraw a large amount of money from the bank, the banker handing you the money will call her friends. And those friends will rob you at gun point when you leave the bank. Those bank robbers are either gang members or cops. There have been many cases where the victim was shot and killed and the body is never recovered. Do you know what its like for the family to go without never knowing what happened to a love one?
And I remember on the highway, these armed robbers robbed a women in front of a lot of other cars AND not to far away was a cop. Did anyone help her? No. They stole her purse and got away and the other drivers continued about their business without offering to help her or stopping and asking if she was ok. Mexico is not a good country to live and not even to visit. My cousin and his friends got burgarlized in the metro three different times in one day. You can't go to the cops. You can't trust anyone around you.
When you are being robbed remember that you give them whatevery they want BUT never get into a car with them and never let them take you anywhere.
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DAMN. I loved Mexico when I went there. Didn't have a single bad run in with cops or gangs. I grew slightly intimidated when we had to drive through a little checkpoint and all the guards had M16s though. But they just let us pass.
Went to a nice bar with my friends. Drank WAY too many shots. And after drinking Rattlesnake Tequila and having a bit of snake body slide down my throat I barfed all over their bar. I mean EVERYWHERE. The tables. The planter. The ground. The best part is the bar owner just couldn't stop laughing his ass off. Afterward he even sprayed everything down with a hose while laughing. It was a while ago but I thought Mexico was very pleasant.
My friend got caught with pot by a cop just outside of a club and they just made him scatter it on the ground and crush it with his foot. They didn't fine him and let him go. But I guess that is just my personal experience.

(Here in America I had cops make me take a knee in broken glass and was told if I moved an inch I would be blown away. With the gun being trained right on my head at all times.)
 
earthworm said:
It would seem that Mexico is now a more advanced than America.
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Great, let's send all of our poor across their borders. Oh wait, they actually have immigration standards! :roll:
 
reefedjib said:
You really think so? I am extremely doubtful that it can be done at reasonable cost.
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It would certainly be cheaper, financially, than fighting the public relations war has been. You could probably fund the drug war just on the confiscated drug money. Every single dealer is put to death. First offense, you're executed. We confiscate everything you own without exception and sell it at fair market value, not for pennies on the dollar like we do now. This might not net a lot for the low-end dealers but for the kingpins who have millions, it's a jackpot. We treat all drugs the same, we do not treat cocaine and crack differently because the rich tend to use one over the other. All the confiscated drugs go into mandatory drug treatment programs. People leave no longer addicted. There is a point at which repeat offenders have shown they are not willing to change, at which point they are handled in some way, we can debate that at another time.

We work with other countries to eliminate the drug trade within their borders. Those who refuse to work with us, we cut off all foreign aid. We execute all drug mules, drug runners and drug dealers crossing the border. Heck, leave a pile of bodies, it might dissuade anyone from trying it again.

I have no doubt it could be done. I doubt America has the stomach for it.
 
Cephus said:
I have no doubt it could be done. I doubt America has the stomach for it.
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Naw, I'm totally against the idea. It's prohibition. If people want to use, it is their right to use. Make the growing and distribution legal. Now that would be cheaper than either the propoganda war or the lock-down you are talking about.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
I thought I was going to die the 4th or so time I tried pot. I felt like my veins where bursting. I wanted to go to the hospital. I had no tolerance to THC and over smoked incredibly. (was trying to keep on pace with friends) Later I learned to just take a couple lung fulls out of 1 bowl only and share the rest. WAY better. Then it grew to 2 bowls.... 3... 4.... :(
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Yea I wasnt trying to keep up. Im talking one or two hits and suddenly it felt as if someone parked a cement truck on my chest and I couldnt breath. I would think this could have been over doing it and not a case of allergic reaction but this lasted for 2-3 days.

Its such a shame too. I have a very hard time going to sleep and this stuff knocks me out in a matter of minutes.
 
reefedjib said:
Naw, I'm totally against the idea. It's prohibition. If people want to use, it is their right to use. Make the growing and distribution legal. Now that would be cheaper than either the propoganda war or the lock-down you are talking about.
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That's like saying we should get rid of laws against murder. It's prohibition. If people want to kill, it is their right to kill. We can apply that to every type of law. To go down that road is anarchy.
 
Cephus said:
That's like saying we should get rid of laws against murder. It's prohibition. If people want to kill, it is their right to kill. We can apply that to every type of law. To go down that road is anarchy.
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I think you are high to equate the legalization of something that is harmless to others like taking drugs, to the legalization of murder. Do I even need to comment on this?
 
reefedjib said:
I think you are high to equate the legalization of something that is harmless to others like taking drugs, to the legalization of murder.
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While I might agree with you regarding pot, there's nothing harmless about meth; there's nothing harmless about cocaine.

These drugs destroy families and increase the crime rate. Like murder, they need to remain banned.

The fact that some token minority will brake a law is no justification to remove that law entirely, thus greatly increasing the frequency of that behavior far beyond the original token minority.

reefedjib said:
Do I even need to comment on this?
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You need to do a whole hell of a lot more than merely comment. You need to present a well thought-out and well sourced argument.
 
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Jerry said:
While I might agree with you regarding pot, there's nothing harmless about meth; there's nothing harmless about cocaine.

These drugs destroy families and increase the crime rate. Like murder, they need to remain banned.
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Taking meth and taking cocaine are arguable damaging to the individual taking them. So is smoking and it is legal. The actions of an individual while on coke or meth may be violent but that same individual can be violent without taking those drugs. The violence is not due to the taking of those drugs.

Jerry said:
The fact that some token minority will brake a law is no justification to remove that law entirely, thus greatly increasing the frequency of that behavior far beyond the original token minority.
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I am not saying that. I am saying that since the behavior is non-violent and non-property damaging, there is no reason to have a law against it.

Jerry said:
You need to do a whole hell of a lot more than merely comment. You need to present a well thought-out and well sourced argument.
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What I wrote sufficies to meet that criteria.
 
Jerry said:
While I might agree with you regarding pot, there's nothing harmless about meth; there's nothing harmless about cocaine.

These drugs destroy families and increase the crime rate. Like murder, they need to remain banned.
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Those drugs cause crime BECAUSE there is a black market for them, created by the war on drugs.
 
Jerry said:
While I might agree with you regarding pot, there's nothing harmless about meth; there's nothing harmless about cocaine.

These drugs destroy families and increase the crime rate. Like murder, they need to remain banned.
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Drugs Are Health Problems, Not Criminal Problems. Wake Up
 
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