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Poll: Huckabee, Gingrich, Palin or Pawlenty?

I don't see how it would hurt Newt. The election would be about policy discussion, not his marriages. Obama wouldn't stand a chance in that intellectual fencing match.

Politics is dirty pool. It would quickly devolve into his marriages. I personally like Newt. I'd strongly consider voting for him, he'd have lay out his platform and plans as President for me to make a final decision of course, but I wouldn't discount him as I would Huckabee or Palin right off the bat. Hell, maybe Pawlenty would be OK too, I just don't really have information on him. Though in general, I do like the idea of taking the President from State governors as they are executives of their own state government. Much better than legislatures in the executive seat.
 
Yes over fifty years ago and many apologies ago, but he'd still never be able to run for President because of it.

Could be worse...he could be an atheist. *gasps*
 
Politics is dirty pool. It would quickly devolve into his marriages. I personally like Newt. I'd strongly consider voting for him, he'd have lay out his platform and plans as President for me to make a final decision of course, but I wouldn't discount him as I would Huckabee or Palin right off the bat. Hell, maybe Pawlenty would be OK too, I just don't really have information on him. Though in general, I do like the idea of taking the President from State governors as they are executives of their own state government. Much better than legislatures in the executive seat.

Yea, the divorces would come up but do you think Americans would actually care? Newt could simply stick to policy discussion and emphasize the need to talk about the issues instead of resorting to smear tactics. Americans like that.
 
Yea, the divorces would come up but do you think Americans would actually care?

We seemingly care about John and Kate. I wouldn't be surprised if the divorce thing gets spun into something dirty.
 
Well, if there's a moral "statute of limitations" on being in the KKK then surely there's one for adultery.

I'd say six years is sufficient.


Oh good.
I'll hang onto my 'John Edwards for Prez' tshirt then. :2razz:
 
This is all true; however, Mitt is the one that got what it takes to get this country back in order.

Be Sure to check back at the poll to vote and see who is in the lead (currently Huckabee with Newt in second place)
 
I like Huckabee the best of those four. But I'm not a Republican, and will probably vote for Obama over any of them.

That is pretty amazing because when it comes to politics they are political opposites.........
 
This is all true; however, Mitt is the one that got what it takes to get this country back in order.

You know man, I really hate Romney. I think he is EVERYTHING that is wrong with the modern GOP:

Rich, white guy that inhereted all his money. (Silverspoon)

Major flip-flopper on several issues. (Hypocrite)

Never served the country in any manner, nor did any of his five able-bodied sons, but remains jingoistic. (Chickenhawk)

Greasy Hair, fake smile. Weirdo religion.

Bottom Line: Ass Clown.

GOP 2012? Ron Paul!
 
You know man, I really hate Romney. I think he is EVERYTHING that is wrong with the modern GOP:

Rich, white guy that inhereted all his money. (Silverspoon)

He inherited $0 dollars from his father. Earned his money on his own, and is rich... can you blame him for accomplishing the American dream via capitalism, hard work, and determination?

Major flip-flopper on several issues. (Hypocrite)

People are allowed to change their opinion/view of certain issues.

Never served the country in any manner, nor did any of his five able-bodied sons, but remains jingoistic. (Chickenhawk)

He was hired as the CEO of the 2002 Winter games and donated his entire salary plus 1 million to charity. He has also created more jobs and saved more businesses than anyone out there... how is this not helping the country?



And delivering 3000 babies all of the sudden makes you qualified to lead the country? Don't get me wrong, Ron Paul had some great ideas... but so do I; so does everyone.... As far as IMPLEMENTEDing good ideas in the private sector and in public service positions - Mitt romney is the clear winner. Ron Paul couldn't dream of leading a country, the guy couldn't run a lemonade stand.
 
You know man, I really hate Romney. I think he is EVERYTHING that is wrong with the modern GOP:

Rich, white guy that inhereted all his money. (Silverspoon)

Major flip-flopper on several issues. (Hypocrite)

Never served the country in any manner, nor did any of his five able-bodied sons, but remains jingoistic. (Chickenhawk)

Greasy Hair, fake smile. Weirdo religion.

Bottom Line: Ass Clown.

GOP 2012? Ron Paul!

The biggest problem with Romney is that you just don't really know where he stands on issues. That's why I really don't like the dude so much. You can't be sure that the Romney you elected is the Romney who will take office.
 
The biggest problem with Romney is that you just don't really know where he stands on issues. That's why I really don't like the dude so much. You can't be sure that the Romney you elected is the Romney who will take office.
My biggest problem with Romney is that he's a Mormon.

If that makes me a bigot so be it, but there you go. I definitely don't think I am alone in this opinion, though.
 
He inherited $0 dollars from his father. Earned his money on his own, and is rich... can you blame him for accomplishing the American dream via capitalism, hard work, and determination?

That is not true.



People are allowed to change their opinion/view of certain issues.

True, but when you are a politician, it doesn't look so good. Especially when you were pro-choice three years ago...but now you've "seen the light"



He was hired as the CEO of the 2002 Winter games and donated his entire salary plus 1 million to charity. He has also created more jobs and saved more businesses than anyone out there... how is this not helping the country?

HE DID NOT SERVE. He hawkishly advocates combat for others, but not for himself or his precious sons. At least McCain and Palin had kids in the fight.



And delivering 3000 babies all of the sudden makes you qualified to lead the country?

Yeah, b/c that's all Ron Paul ever did.

Don't get me wrong, Ron Paul had some great ideas... but so do I; so does everyone....

No, not everyone does have good ideas. Look at our current GOVT.

Ron Paul couldn't dream of leading a country, the guy couldn't run a lemonade stand.

You might watch where you say that...RP has a lot of support.

He is an honest man. Unlike Mitt.
 
My biggest problem with Romney is that he's a Mormon.

If that makes me a bigot so be it, but there you go. I definitely don't think I am alone in this opinion, though.

I have very little concern for someone's religion. My concern is their political platform and how they will lead from their elected position. I know plenty of Mormons who are really nice, decent folk. I can't fault someone for their beliefs. It's the same with atheism, an atheist actually fairs the least probability of being elected and I don't think that fair. I think a person should be judged by their ideals and actions when running for public office; not which church they attend (or don't attend for that matter).
 
And I don't see any Democrats calling for his resignation,

Robert Byrd was in the KKK before 95% of the posters on this board and Americans, Democrat OR Republicans in general were born. And nobody has called for his resignation because he's bent over backwards to make up for what he himself has called a mistake. But just so I know the extent of your naivite on this are you going to bring up Robert Byrd when talking about racism in politics? Because I already know you understand very little of the way political demographics shifted in the 70s and the Jim Crow Democrat South became the modern day States Rights Republican South. I just want to know so that I know when it will be okay to bring up all the pro-segregation Democrat politicians who went over the Republican party in the 60s-70s. As long as we're talking about mostly irrelevant **** that happened before most of us were born that is.
 
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Adding : I mean if Robert Byrd had joined the KKK 20 years ago or even 30 years ago. I'd be more inclined to agree with you but he was 20 something. 60+ years ago. It's not like he hasn't had ample time for his mistakes to catch up to him. I mean even to this day people bring him up in discussions which have LITTLE to do with him.

New Gringritch screwed up by getting off on people screwing other people while he was doing the same less than 10 years ago. It's not like it happened yesterday but the differences in time, political climate are ridiculously large enough for someone of your political IQ to realize that while you'll find few people from the time Robert Byrd was in the KKK, you'll find most people in politics and most voters today were around when Newt was on his moral crusade.
 
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Robert Byrd was in the KKK before 95% of the posters on this board and Americans, Democrat OR Republicans in general were born. And nobody has called for his resignation because he's bent over backwards to make up for what he himself has called a mistake. But just so I know the extent of your naivite on this are you going to bring up Robert Byrd when talking about racism in politics? Because I already know you understand very little of the way political demographics shifted in the 70s and the Jim Crow Democrat South became the modern day States Rights Republican South. I just want to know so that I know when it will be okay to bring up all the pro-segregation Democrat politicians who went over the Republican party in the 60s-70s. As long as we're talking about mostly irrelevant **** that happened before most of us were born that is.

Please condense this rant into a coherent sentence containing an identifiable point so that I may address it.
 
Adding : I mean if Robert Byrd had joined the KKK 20 years ago or even 30 years ago. I'd be more inclined to agree with you but he was 20 something. 60+ years ago. It's not like he hasn't had ample time for his mistakes to catch up to him. I mean even to this day people bring him up in discussions which have LITTLE to do with him.

New Gringritch screwed up by getting off on people screwing other people while he was doing the same less than 10 years ago. It's not like it happened yesterday but the differences in time, political climate are ridiculously large enough for someone of your political IQ to realize that while you'll find few people from the time Robert Byrd was in the KKK, you'll find most people in politics and most voters today were around when Newt was on his moral crusade.

I really don't care about Robert Byrd. I'm not asking for his resignation either. I was merely using his example to make point, i.e., a politician's personal failings don't have to define his or her candidacy.

I don't deny the hypocrisy of Newt's actions, nor do I make excuses for it. I'm just saying that I don't really care. His political acumen is quite refined and his fiscal conservatism is very appealing to me, and we all know he's not a social conservative at heart, so that's a plus, too...
 
Also, in regards to the Byrd/Newt thing.

There is a LARGE different between a state and a national election. I don't think Byrd would've fared nearly as well in a national election with his history
 
Also, in regards to the Byrd/Newt thing.

There is a LARGE different between a state and a national election. I don't think Byrd would've fared nearly as well in a national election with his history

Good point
 
If Newt and Obama debated it would be a bloody massacre. Barry wouldn't stand a chance...

What makes you think that? Say whatever else you want about Obama, he is a very bright person and talks very well on his feet. Remember how utterly he spanked McCain at all three debates? To say nothing of the fact that he's never had to run for office outside of his congressional district. I'm not sure how good a campaigner he'd be.
 
My biggest problem with Romney is that he's a Mormon.

If that makes me a bigot so be it, but there you go. I definitely don't think I am alone in this opinion, though.
I do not blame you. Anyone who has studied the religion thoroughly and is not taken aback is a strange individual. You would think that the fact that Joseph Smith was convicted of fraud mere months before he found the Golden Tablets(that only he could read) would send up a red flag.
 
Please condense this rant into a coherent sentence containing an identifiable point so that I may address it.

1. There is quite a distinction between Robert Byrd joining the KKK in his 20s(70 years ago), when he wasn't in politics, to New Gringrich leading a political witch hunt and being found to be a hypocrite, 10 years ago.

a. The first of these distinctions being the fact that his joining of the KKK can demonstratively be shown to have had zero effect in how he did his job in Congress. We can not the same for Newt as he became a polarizing figure and even quit his job because of this polarization.

b. The second of the glaring differences is the fact that Byrd has worked for 70 years to make up for his mistakes. What has Newt done? Apologized?

2. Your continued use of the Democrat's racist past whenever making some sort of point about Republicans and what I can only guess is their non-racist agenda always seems to show your complete ignorance of modern day politics.

As shown in this post :

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/44642-family-values-7.html#post1057944040

You continue to bring up Robert Byrd, the Democrats opposition to desegregation etc. as a sign of Democratic racism but fail to understand that in the 60s-70s the people who once voted Democrat became modern day Southern Libertarians and Republicans voting for State's rights.

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure there are still racist Democratic strong holds in the South but your silly understanding of historical changes in party voting blocks becomes more and more obvious every time you open your mouth to speak or even mention racism in politics.
 
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Newt has the highest intellect. I doubt there's a single Democrat who can debate him. But I voted for Pawlenty because I figure he's got the best chance.
 
Newt has the highest intellect. I doubt there's a single Democrat who can debate him. But I voted for Pawlenty because I figure he's got the best chance.

Agree on Pawlenty.

Newt...much like Obama, he's a master of the talking point. I think Huckabee is also a gifter orator, but would never vote for him.

Newt thinks a lot of Newt.

I doubt he runs.
 
1. There is quite a distinction between Robert Byrd joining the KKK in his 20s(70 years ago), when he wasn't in politics, to New Gringrich leading a political witch hunt and being found to be a hypocrite, 10 years ago.

a. The first of these distinctions being the fact that his joining of the KKK can demonstratively be shown to have had zero effect in how he did his job in Congress. We can not the same for Newt as he became a polarizing figure and even quit his job because of this polarization.

b. The second of the glaring differences is the fact that Byrd has worked for 70 years to make up for his mistakes. What has Newt done? Apologized?

2. Your continued use of the Democrat's racist past whenever making some sort of point about Republicans and what I can only guess is their non-racist agenda always seems to show your complete ignorance of modern day politics.

As shown in this post :

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/44642-family-values-7.html#post1057944040

You continue to bring up Robert Byrd, the Democrats opposition to desegregation etc. as a sign of Democratic racism but fail to understand that in the 60s-70s the people who once voted Democrat became modern day Southern Libertarians and Republicans voting for State's rights.

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure there are still racist Democratic strong holds in the South but your silly understanding of historical changes in party voting blocks becomes more and more obvious every time you open your mouth to speak or even mention racism in politics.

The two threads are not related, or indicative of some pattern I've established. I may have gotten the Southern Democrat thing wrong as a matter of political theory, but Robert Byrd WAS in the KKK, and it is a valid point if we're going to insist that a politician's personal failings must define their candidacy.

You're arguing as if I actually cared about Byrd's time in the KKK. I seriously don't.

You're arguing as if I thought Newt was a stand-up guy. I seriously don't.

Newt is just a smart fiscal conservative who's managed to balance a Federal budget. That's good enough for me.
 
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