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TED's Life-or-Death Super Trifecta!

Your feelings on abortion, capital punishment, and health care (please read OP):

  • Abortion: Yes; Death Penalty: Yes; Health care: Always a right, regardless of ability to pay

    Votes: 1 5.0%

  • Abortion: Yes; Death Penalty: Yes; Health care: Always a right if you can pay for it

    Votes: 3 15.0%

  • Abortion: Yes; Death Penalty: No; Health care: Always a right, regardless of ability to pay

    Votes: 5 25.0%

  • Abortion: Yes; Death Penalty: No; Health care: Always a right if you can pay for it

    Votes: 1 5.0%

  • Abortion: No; Death Penalty: Yes; Health care: Always a right, regardless of ability to pay

    Votes: 1 5.0%

  • Abortion: No; Death Penalty: Yes; Health care: Always a right if you can pay for it

    Votes: 1 5.0%

  • Abortion: No; Death Penalty: No; Health care: Always a right, regardless of ability to pay

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Abortion: No; Death Penalty: No; Health care: Always a right if you can pay for it

    Votes: 2 10.0%

  • The dreaded "other" (no doubt you'll explain)

    Votes: 6 30.0%
  • Total voters
    20
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I'd like to get a feel for the forum membership's opinion on three things all at once: abortion in select circumstances, the death penalty in select circumstances, and health care as a right.

Please note that "select circumstances" can mean anything you want.

To clarify:

If you think it's appropriate to execute someone for wearing a purple-polka-dot dress on the second Tuesday of an odd-numbered month, then you believe the death penalty is appropriate in "select circumstances."

In that case, your vote on the death penalty is YES.

Even if you believe the death penalty is the appropriate punishment for every crime on the books, you still believe the death penalty is appropriate in "select circumstances."

In that case, your vote on the death penalty is still YES.


Let the games begin!
 
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Hurry up with poll options OMG :2razz:

I favor abortion rights.

I am split on the death penalty. I see arguments for both sides, and am glad it's not up to me.

I do not believe health care is a right, but I do think it is worthwhile for our society to see that as many people as possible have access to health care.
 
Sorry I couldn't be more descriptive in the poll question or the poll options, I kept running into maximum character limits.
 
I'm against abortion, against the death penalty. I don't think health care is a "right" of sorts. I understand that the degree of sophistication of medical techniques have made things rather expensive. The government can be used in a way to provide some generalized healthcare since the aggregated effects of the health industry and insurance leaves well too many people vulnerable and government can actually do something here that the private sector can't. I don't believe that with our current government, we'll get that system. Rather I predict that with the Republocrats we'll just get a play to the insurance companies; which is improper government.

I'm not sure where that puts me on your poll option.
 
Hmm. You'd be no, no, and I'm not sure where you'd be on the third one. You don't think people have a right to health care even if they can pay for it?
 
Abortion, yes, on demand in the first trimester only.

Death penalty, no. It's an outdated, ineffective method of punishment.

Health care is a right, regardless of ability to pay. No one should die or go bankrupt just because they can't afford to pay their medical bills.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Hmm. You'd be no, no, and I'm not sure where you'd be on the third one. You don't think people have a right to health care even if they can pay for it?
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I don't know if I would exactly put it in as a right as in something which can be protected or controlled by government in some way. Something cannot be a right only if they can pay for it. Either something is a right or it's not. We have the right to bear arms, let's say. But you have to buy a gun. Being able to buy that gun doesn't mean you do or do not have the right to keep and bear arms. I think maybe the distinction you're looking for is that healthcare is somehow proper domain of the federal government to ensure some base level to everyone or that it should only be available to those who can afford it. Even then, I'd be in the middle. I think you can make proper argument as to the federal government being used in healthcare; but I don't think the government can actually accomplish the task.
 
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I went with other since I am ambivalent on the death penalty. I explained briefly above.
 
Hmm. Interesting.

Well, since I had a max of 10 options, I guess that makes you an "other."

TED,
KNEW he should've made it multiple choice. :mrgreen:
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Hmm. Interesting.

Well, since I had a max of 10 options, I guess that makes you an "other."

TED,
KNEW he should've made it multiple choice. :mrgreen:
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I have run up against that 10 limit too, it sucks.
 
I do not support abortion.

I believe in the death penalty for forcible felony's and incurable character disorders involving felony forcible crimes.

Health care is not a right, but you should pay for it.

No freeloaders.
 
Abortion: Yes.

Death Penalty: No(In some specific cases yes but there wasn't an option).

Health Care : A Right. Nobody should die because they can't afford to be treated.
 
I support medically necessary abortions, also, if the fetus is tested to be found with an iincurable and debilitatating condition. Otherwise I support contraceptives and personal responsibility for their actions.

I cannot support the death penalty for the simple matter of the slim potential of a wrongful death in the process. That said, there are people that are completely incurable detriments to society, at a certain point when there is no purpose in rehab and the person has been convicted under no uncertain terms, then it may be justifiable to simply end their life rather then care for them in a prison for life.

Health care : I think certain services should be socialized... mostly emergency services... anything beyond that should be handled privately... I mean a system where if you have an emergency but no money that you wouldn't be pushed aside, but that would still be privatized enough that people are responsible for certain costs.
 
Now I oppose abortion and would never encourage someone to get one, but for various reasons I don't think it should be outlawed... I chose yes, but it wasn't really clear.
 
No, No, Always a right if you can pay for it.

A right imo is something the government must allow you the freedom to exercise however that does not mean they should give you the tools to exercise them with. Freedom of speech and religion, Right to bare arms just to name a couple. They give you the choice but they do not purchase you a gun nor a bible. You have the freedom to exercise the right, the rest is up to you. Banning all medical practices would be a violation of the right to life. Not providing the service with tax money is not.
 
I am completely in favor of a woman's right to choose.

I am completely in support of the death penalty and I don't think that it gets used nearly enough or nearly quickly enough.

Outside of true emergency health care, which I think ought to be provided regardless, I think it's a service that ought to be paid for like any other service.
 
Other:


Abortion NO
Death Penalty Only on DNA conviction
Healthcare Not a right
 
Abortion - yes in the first 2 trimesters
Death penalty - yes
Healthcare - torn on this one.
 
Other: All should be deferred to the states.
1) Abortion - states should have a yes/no vote every 5-10 years and the outcome is settled law.
2) Death Penalty - while up to states, fed has some oversight, but is limited to that which is not proven by DNA, the standard of "cruel and unusual" needs to be tightened up as part of a greater need for tort reform, and we need to apply it to a few more crimes, such as forcible rape, constitutional violations, reapply to treason/sedition, working for the IRS(j/k), and pre-meditated murder, with armed robbery a potential qualifier for such.
3) Healthcare - this is a service, therefore it should never be considered the right of the government to meddle with it, unless it is done through constitutional amendment processes and the states defer such to the federal.
 
Abortion: No, never, unless the life of the mother is threatened, in which case both the mother and baby would die anyway.

Death Penalty: No, never. I don't believe that our justice system should be about revenge, just protection of the public.

Health Care: You should not get a service for free. Expect nothing if you offer nothing.
 
Abortion should remain legal but rare
Death Penalty-Yes
HC should be a right in this country paid for through taxes like our right to be defended from fgn enemies is.
 
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