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Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applications?

Should race and gender identifying questions be removed?

  • Yes, they should be removed.

    Votes: 23 76.7%

  • No, it could be important information.

    Votes: 7 23.3%
  • Total voters
    30
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Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applications?

I believe we should with the exception of gender in gender specific jobs. Why should the government require a person to identify themselves by race or gender when applying for jobs, loans, census, ect? Is this not keeping the idea that we should be identified by such things in our society and also keeping the way society views people differently based on such things?

It should be irrelevant when applying for anything. A person should base their decision on merits alone and race/gender should not be a factor.
 
Re: Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applicati

Yes it should be. Though in all honesty it really doesn't matter as the employers that do discriminate can also tell a persons gender/race by that persons name.
 
Re: Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applicati

Baralis said:
Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applications?

I believe we should with the exception of gender in gender specific jobs. Why should the government require a person to identify themselves by race or gender when applying for jobs, loans, census, ect? Is this not keeping the idea that we should be identified by such things in our society and also keeping the way society views people differently based on such things?

It should be irrelevant when applying for anything. A person should base their decision on merits alone and race/gender should not be a factor.
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I would have yes on most forms and applications, unless the job is gender specific. This is one way to prove that race and gender does not matter.
 
Re: Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applicati

Kal'Stang said:
Yes it should be. Though in all honesty it really doesn't matter as the employers that do discriminate can also tell a persons gender/race by that persons name.
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Not always, some names are not race specific or gender specific.
 
Re: Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applicati

Yeah, how would they distinguish between the majority of white and black people? Or how would they distinguish between different Hispanic races, for example?
 
Re: Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applicati

Kal'Stang said:
Yes it should be. Though in all honesty it really doesn't matter as the employers that do discriminate can also tell a persons gender/race by that persons name.
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If people go by initials, it's almost impossible to tell. I can tell you that if I went by my first initial and last name, you'd have no idea what race I am.
 
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Agnapostate said:
Yeah, how would they distinguish between the majority of white and black people? Or how would they distinguish between different Hispanic races, for example?
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Why is race relevant on a application seeing how there is supposed to be no racial discrimination .

Unless the job is gender specific then why is gender relevant on an application if we are not supposed to discriminate against gender?
 
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jamesrage said:
Why is race relevant on a application seeing how there is supposed to be no racial discrimination .

Unless the job is gender specific then why is gender relevant on an application if we are not supposed to discriminate against gender?
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I wasn't even talking about that. I was behind your point.
 
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Baralis said:
Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applications?
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If race and gender are truely irrelevant in the job selection process, then there is no sound argument for including that specification.
 
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Agnapostate said:
Yeah, how would they distinguish between the majority of white and black people? Or how would they distinguish between different Hispanic races, for example?
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Jamal isn't exactly a name typically used by whites. John however is. See the point?

NY Times

To test whether employers discriminate against black job applicants, Marianne Bertrand of the University of Chicago and Sendhil Mullainathan of M.I.T. conducted an unusual experiment. They selected 1,300 help-wanted ads from newspapers in Boston and Chicago and submitted multiple résumés from phantom job seekers. The researchers randomly assigned the first names on the résumés, choosing from one set that is particularly common among blacks and from another that is common among whites.

So Kristen and Tamika, and Brad and Tyrone, applied for jobs from the same pool of want ads and had equivalent résumés. Nine names were selected to represent each category: black women, white women, black men and white men. Last names common to the racial group were also assigned. Four résumés were typically submitted for each job opening, drawn from a reservoir of 160. Nearly 5,000 applications were submitted from mid-2001 to mid-2002. Professors Bertrand and Mullainathan kept track of which candidates were invited for job interviews.
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Catz Part Deux said:
If people go by initials, it's almost impossible to tell. I can tell you that if I went by my first initial and last name, you'd have no idea what race I am.
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They'd find out your first name anyways when they run the back ground check on ya via your SS number.
 
Re: Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applicati

Baralis said:
Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applications?

I believe we should with the exception of gender in gender specific jobs. Why should the government require a person to identify themselves by race or gender when applying for jobs, loans, census, ect? Is this not keeping the idea that we should be identified by such things in our society and also keeping the way society views people differently based on such things?

It should be irrelevant when applying for anything. A person should base their decision on merits alone and race/gender should not be a factor.
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For government jobs and government loans, I agree. For the census, I disagree. That's just collected for statistical information and it can have useful sociological purposes.
 
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Kandahar said:
For government jobs and government loans, I agree. For the census, I disagree. That's just collected for statistical information and it can have useful sociological purposes.
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Those sociological studies are nothing but racially collectivist.
 
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chevydriver1123 said:
Those sociological studies are nothing but racially collectivist.
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Huh? What do you mean by "racially collectivist"? :confused:
 
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Kandahar said:
For government jobs and government loans, I agree. For the census, I disagree. That's just collected for statistical information and it can have useful sociological purposes.
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If we stopped specifying race on the census, the it would be impossible to racially gerrymander voting districts. The Dems ain't gonna let that happen.

As to the question in the OP, I think race specification on applications should be ended. I've always put caucasion, myself.
 
Re: Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applicati

apdst said:
If we stopped specifying race on the census, the it would be impossible to racially gerrymander voting districts.
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No it wouldn't. Congressmen have a pretty good idea of their district's demographics, even if they don't have the actual census numbers.

apdst said:
The Dems ain't gonna let that happen.
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:rofl
Not only do you turn a decent discussion into yet another partisan bitchfest, but you misidentify the party which benefits from such tactics.
Well done, sir. :clap:
 
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Kandahar said:
No it wouldn't. Congressmen have a pretty good idea of their district's demographics, even if they don't have the actual census numbers.
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That's not true for places like New Orleans, where the racial demographics have changed.



:rofl
Not only do you turn a decent discussion into yet another partisan bitchfest, but you misidentify the party which benefits from such tactics.
Well done, sir. :clap:
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It's a political debate forum. Why is it you only cry about it when Libbos/Dems are getting slammed? Truth hurt too much for ya?
 
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apdst said:
That's not true for places like New Orleans, where the racial demographics have changed.
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OK well that's an exception to the rule, since most cities don't lose half their population in 10 years. Besides, New Orleans only has one congressional district, so this is a moot point.

apdst said:
It's a political debate forum.
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Do you understand the difference between political debate and partisan trolling?
 
Re: Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applicati

Kandahar said:
OK well that's an exception to the rule, since most cities don't lose half their population in 10 years. Besides, New Orleans only has one congressional district, so this is a moot point.
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It's not about losing population, it's about one demographic growing faster than another.



Do you understand the difference between political debate and partisan trolling?
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Again, why is it that you only bring these accusations when Dems are being picked on?
 
Re: Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applicati

How many resumes still ask for race?
 
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the makeout hobo said:
How many resumes still ask for race?
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I have been self employed for the past 11 years so Im not up to par on questions these days but prior to that every single application/resume I filled all asked race and gender.
 
Re: Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applicati

The Republicans benefit WAY more from gerrymandering.

I say get rid of race and gender on all applications. It's not needed.
 
Re: Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applicati

No. I think knowing the sex or race of who you want to hire is your right as a business owner.

In fact if the business is private they should be able to hire whomever, for whatever reasons they like.

PS This does not mean it is necessary in all situations. I am only referring to employment in the private sector. Government jobs and public situations: the answer would be yes.
 
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Blackdog said:
No. I think knowing the sex or race of who you want to hire is your right as a business owner.

In fact if the business is private they should be able to hire whomever, for whatever reasons they like.

PS This does not mean it is necessary in all situations. I am only referring to employment in the private sector. Government jobs and public situations: the answer would be yes.
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I strongly disagree on this one. Although this is about impossible to enforce, I don't think it should be legal to not hire someone just because of their race. Even in the private sector. Like I said, this is unenforceable (unless, someone has about 100 employees in an area where the population is diverse, and all are white, in which case it would be clear enough to enforce) but it should be at least the law of the United States that a business owner cannot discriminate based on race.
 
Re: Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applicati

Race ?
There is but one race, the human race.
This question would be stupid at best.
Gender ?
There are two, the question is pertinent.
 
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