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Tobacco Is Illegal In Amsterdam

Should Tobacco be banned and Marijuana legalized?

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 22.6%
  • No

    Votes: 14 45.2%
  • Other

    Votes: 10 32.3%

  • Total voters
    31
  • Poll closed .

jr602az

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Should Tobacco be banned and Marijuana legalized?

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Why would you ban tobacco while legalizing MJ? That's got to be among the most stupidest questions I've heard in quite awhile.
 
Why would you ban tobacco while legalizing MJ? That's got to be among the most stupidest questions I've heard in quite awhile.

400,000 People are dieing in America from tobacco u idiot and marijuana does not cause any deaths you dumb ass.
 
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400,000 People are dieing from tobacco u idiot and marijuana does not cause any deaths you dumb ass.

Umm...MJ causes cancer too. Which causes death.

CNN Link

ADA Fact Sheet

Can marijuana cause cancer?
Marijuana smoke has been found to contain more cancer-causing agents than is found in tobacco smoke. Examination of human lung tissue that had been exposed to marijuana smoke over a long period of time in a laboratory showed cellular changes called metaplasia that are considered precancerous. In laboratory test, the tars from marijuana smoke have produced tumors when applied to animal skin. These studies suggest that it is likely that marijuana may cause cancer if used for a number of years.

Medical News Today

Other ways that MJ causes death is usually not reported officially because they are reported as "accidents". For example: car accidents due to one of the drivers being high.
 
Umm...MJ causes cancer too. Which causes death.

CNN Link

ADA Fact Sheet



Medical News Today

Other ways that MJ causes death is usually not reported officially because they are reported as "accidents". For example: car accidents due to one of the drivers being high.


MJ does not cause any cancer
MJ helps cure cancer and all disease's

Watch the video about "Marijuana Driving Test" on YouTube and you will see Proof.
 
MJ does not cause any cancer
MJ helps cure cancer and all disease's

Watch the video about "Marijuana Driving Test" on YouTube and you will see Proof.

MJ does NOT help cure cancer. MJ helps relieve some of the symptoms of anti-cancer drugs. Smoking MJ CAN cause cancer, just like smoking anything.
 
MJ does not cause any cancer
MJ helps cure cancer and all disease's

Watch the video about "Marijuana Driving Test" on YouTube and you will see Proof.

You give YouTube I give .gov sites...and personal experiance.

.gov site

In a laboratory study at NIDA's Addiction Research Center in Baltimore that controlled for alcohol's confounding effect, Dr. Heishman tested marijuana's effects on the functional components of driving. Study subjects smoked a marijuana cigarette, waited 10 minutes, then smoked another cigarette. Both cigarettes contained either 0, 1.8, or 3.6 percent THC. Twenty minutes after smoking the cigarettes, the subjects were given a standard sobriety test similar to a roadside sobriety test. The test showed that marijuana significantly impaired their ability to stand on one leg for 30 seconds or touch their finger to their nose. As the dose of THC increased, the subjects swayed more, raised their arms, and had to put their feet down in an attempt to maintain their balance. Subjects also committed 2.5 times more errors when they attempted to touch their nose with their finger.

The data from these laboratory studies show that marijuana impairs balance and coordination - functional components important to driving - in a dose-related way, said Dr. Heishman. These effects may be related to reported marijuana-induced impairment of automobile driving, he stated.

A friend of mine that smoked MJ died while driving. He ran off the road and went down a 50 ft cliff side. He had smoked MJ just before leaving to go to work.
 
You give YouTube I give .gov sites...and personal experiance.

.gov site



A friend of mine that smoked MJ died while driving. He ran off the road and went down a 50 ft cliff side. He had smoked MJ just before leaving to go to work.

I don't mean to be a jerk, but I'm not remotely sympathetic for this death. I'm just relieved that he didn't kill anyone else.

To answer the question: I would love to see tobacco banned completely. I agree that you can't ban tobacco and legalize marijuana.
 
I don't mean to be a jerk, but I'm not remotely sympathetic for this death. I'm just relieved that he didn't kill anyone else.

To be honest I'm not either. Yes I'm sorry he died...but I have no sympathy.
 
MJ does not cause any cancer
MJ helps cure cancer and all disease's

Watch the video about "Marijuana Driving Test" on YouTube and you will see Proof.

I would venture to say that around here the majority are on your side with this issue (pro leniency with marijuana usage), but for a wide range of reasons, many which supersede a desire to simply get high legally.

You are not helping the cause with distortions and fallacies.

The way to present this argument is honestly, there is no need to distort, it only undermines our position. Leave the propaganda and distortions to the other side, since without even that they have very very little to argue on.
 
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I would have to find the posts, but I've debated this before. MJ ABSOLUTELY impairs one's ability to drive effectively. All legitimate research shows this. From what I recall the two arguments that marijuana users present...both of which are easily refuted are:

1) Marijuana users report being able to drive better after having smoked.

This is a ridiculous fallacy. They are impaired and under the influence of a substance and have no ability to assess their driving ability.

2) Marijuana users report driving more carefully after having smoked.

This demonstrates that they KNOW their perceptions are impaired; they cannot drive normally...they must take extra care or their driving will be problematic.

Remember something. Marijuana impairs your perceptions...that's what it is supposed to do. Therefore, one CANNOT behave similarly to one who is not under the influence.
 
jr602AZ.. do yourself (and I and many others who are on your side) a favor read up a LOT more on the subject. get away from you tube and propaganda.

If you have the time to spare search here for threads on the legalization issue.. there are many, and there is a slew of great info right here (if you need help finding them just search my post record)

LEAP - Law Enforcement Against Prohibition - Cops Say Legalize Drugs <-- read up on the literature available here too, they are a great organization, and they present an excellent case backed with the credibility of being former front line warriors of the failed war on drugs (and btw we have a few of those here too)
 
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MJ does NOT help cure cancer. MJ helps relieve some of the symptoms of anti-cancer drugs. Smoking MJ CAN cause cancer, just like smoking anything.


How can you say that it does not cure cancer? It does cure cancer and i got proof of it.:)
Did you know that prescription drugs are coped like the marijuana from the THC.

The governments has lied to use about the war on drugs because it was all part of racism to arrest all blacks and Mexicans for slavery in prison.

Marijuana was used in America back in the 1930s for personal and medically.
 
How can you say that it does not cure cancer? It does cure cancer and i got proof of it.:)
Did you know that prescription drugs are coped like the marijuana from the THC.

The governments has lied to use about the war on drugs because it was all part of racism to arrest all blacks and Mexicans for slavery in prison.

Marijuana was used in America back in the 1930s for personal and medically.


Yes, there are some intriguing studies that show that THC and other cannabinoids have an anti-tumor effect, this does not change the fact that there are many many other compounds (especially when smoked) that are carcinogens being ingested at the same time.

Its kind of like eating a side of broccoli with a quarter pounder and large fries and saying "see this isnt going to give me a heart attack"
 
How can you say that it does not cure cancer? It does cure cancer and i got proof of it.:)

I say it doesn't cure cancer because that is accurate. Present your proof so I can dismantle it and show it to be false.


Did you know that prescription drugs are coped like the marijuana from the THC.

Re-write this sentence so it is decipherable. I have no idea what you said, here.

The governments has lied to use about the war on drugs because it was all part of racism to arrest all blacks and Mexicans for slavery in prison.

Historically, this has some basis of truth. Currently, no.

Marijuana was used in America back in the 1930s for personal and medically.

Alcohol has been used for both. Heroin has been used for both. Your comment proves nothing.
 
MJ does NOT help cure cancer. MJ helps relieve some of the symptoms of anti-cancer drugs. Smoking MJ CAN cause cancer, just like smoking anything.
Charles Fairmorns rough shag cures everything:)
 
Personally I would support legalizing MJ for purely medical reasons as it does help relieve pain for cancer victims and helps those with diabete's control their blood surgar.

But for personal use I would say no.

Ban smoking? Personally I smoke. But would not oppose a complete ban of it. Current bans however are idiotic imo. Either ban it or not. Don't half ass it.

Ban drinking? Alcohol has such a history that I think that it would be nie impossible to do so and it not be repealed. It has a history that is far older than either tobacco or MJ. As near as I can tell about the only time that there wasn't some form of alcohol around was during the cave man days when they had just discovered fire.
 
Re-write this sentence so it is decipherable. I have no idea what you said, here.

The THC are Cristal's from the marijuana
Prescription drugs are coped from the THC

Prescription drugs don't work because it cusses more damage in your body and kills over 800,000 people per year in America alone.
 
Personally I would support legalizing MJ for purely medical reasons as it does help relieve pain for cancer victims and helps those with diabete's control their blood surgar.

But for personal use I would say no.

Ban smoking? Personally I smoke. But would not oppose a complete ban of it. Current bans however are idiotic imo. Either ban it or not. Don't half ass it.

Ban drinking? Alcohol has such a history that I think that it would be nie impossible to do so and it not be repealed. It has a history that is far older than either tobacco or MJ. As near as I can tell about the only time that there wasn't some form of alcohol around was during the cave man days when they had just discovered fire.

The alcohol history was a failure war but if we banned tobacco and legalize weed then everybody going to be smoking the medical MJ.

We should banned tobacco but not arrest people for tobacco.
We should be helping people that are addicted to drugs but the U.S is not doing that.
 
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The alcohol history was a failure war but if we banned tobacco and legalize weed then everybody going to be smoking the medical MJ.

We should banned tobacco but not arrest people for tobacco.
We should be helping people that are addicted to drugs but the U.S is not doing that.

What is the point of making tobacco illegal? I'll agree that marijuana should be legal, but I'm not for replacing one black market with another.
 
400,000 People are dieing in America from tobacco u idiot and marijuana does not cause any deaths you dumb ass.

People would switch from tobacco to weed. Weed is five times more cnacer causing than tobacco.
 
People would switch from tobacco to weed. Weed is five times more cnacer causing than tobacco.

Really?

Despite popular belief, a new study shows that people who smoke marijuana do not appear to be at increased risk of developing lung cancer.

It seems even heavy, long-term marijuana users do not appear to increase the risk of head and neck cancers, such as cancer of the tongue, mouth, throat, or esophagus.

Senior researcher, Donald Tashkin, M.D., Professor of Medicine at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA in Los Angeles says the findings were a surprise as they expected to find that a history of heavy marijuana use would increase the risk of cancer from several years to decades after exposure to marijuana.

Heavy marijuana use not linked to lung cancer
 
Marijuana doesn't cause cancer? Marijuana has five times the amount of tar by volume than cigarettes. It's asinine to say that marijuana doesn't cause cancer. Marijuana has acetone. You wanna inhale acetone into your lungs?
 
Both substances are harmful.
Only a fool would try to prohibit either.
We have no shortage of fools.
 
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