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Do you enjoy bull**** ?

Do You Enjoy being fed Bull**** ?

  • yes i love it

    Votes: 10 52.6%
  • no

    Votes: 9 47.4%

  • Total voters
    19
Here's a sample of what you would have to keep up with.......



Let me enlighten you. Or at least try...

Rumsfeld also knew. So did many many many cultural advisors in Washington. And so did the military planners. There was no secret amongst those, who look beyond Television for some wisdom of the world they live in, that the deep hatreds of Muslims within the Middle East only needs to taste a bit of freedom to express great violence against each other. This is why a "living" plan to rid the region of Saddam Hussein had existed since 1992. There was a detailed plan to ease Iraq away from the noose of the dictator and towards a democracy with careful consideration that this population would need a solid occupation plan.

This plan (CENTCOM plan) was dismissed in the fall of 2002 by the Rumsfeld coven. The SECDEF's minions decided that this plan, which had been worked on, revised, and updated continuously for a decade was "stale" out dated. Instead, the Rumsfeld coven decided to go with the "no plan" and roll the dice. And since you probably will draw wrong conclusions from this as well, I'll enlighten you further....

The reason the Rumsfeld Coven went against our military planners was because our plan detailed the need for much more troops and a clear understanding of economic necessity and occupation time. This did not sit well in Washington, because people (like yourselves) expect their wars (which others fight) to be like drive-byes (Gulf War). They want neat little packages with a pretty ribbon on top. And with the military plan to correctly take out the dictator and occupy Iraq, which showed considerable complication, people would not have bought off on the whole affair.

Therefore, the "solid physical living plan" was cast out in favor of the "no plan." The trip to Baghdad looked good because our military reacted to everything that went wrong with precision. In other words, what you saw on your television was your military making the flawed Rumsfeld attack plan look good. But once we got to Baghdad, the "no plan" took shape and U.S. Marines were without any real mission. The Army soldiers that finally made contact and relieved the Marines for occupation duties had no real mission or plan. It was all a matter of hip pocket reaction. Every rule of "Occupation 101" was ignored in favor of political correctness. Martial Law was denied because our politicians didn't want the media to be able to brand this effort as "inhumane." (I wonder if they thought about what was really inhumane after Muslims started slaughtering each other.) In the end, Iraq would not have been the mess that it was if they only followed the military plan that outlined the need for far more troops and allowed us to do our jobs by following historically proven rules of occupation.

For twelve years, we had babysat this prick for the UN. For twelve years we pretended that the Cold War was still lingering and that we could keep getting away with maintaining "stability" for an entire region by keeping the brutes in their thrones. For twelve years we escalated our military numbers to meet every situation where Hussein maneuvered his troops towards borders to get a reaction. For twelve years we had boots in and out of Iraq to deal with the humanitarian disasters Hussein created as he defied the UN. For twelve years the UN and the international western community agreed that it was OK for an entire society to rot under the corrupt oil-for-food scandals just so long as the oil kept flowing. And in 2002, Hussein was taking advantage of the Afghanistan effort by flying military jets over Saudi and Jordanian air space just play more games with the great and powerful nation that allowed the UN to control it.

And in the mean time, men like Bin Laden observe everything that goes wrong in their region. They don't care that America saved countless Muslims in the Balkans. They don't care that hundreds of millions of Muslims in the region were spared the oppression and religious persecution of Muslims in the Caucasus (by the Soviet Union) because America won over the influence in the Middle East during the Cold War. And they certainly don't care that Muslims thrive in America more than any other nation. In the end, anything that can be blamed on outside sources is going to be blamed on America. So when millions of Muslims are starving and their children are dying under UN prescriptions via American muscle it becomes America's fault. When that dictator challenges that muscle over and over again and causes the escalation of troops in the heart land of Islam, it becomes America's fault. And when something like 9/11 happens and a mad man chooses to place these things in his letter (to people like you) it becomes very clear that ridding ourselves of this obligation and setting the region of terror on a different path is probably in our best interest.

A person complaining about sovereignty as an excuse to do nothing is laughable considering that we dictated his comings and goings for twelve years anyway. People who clung to Bin Laden's letter as if it described clear proof why we deserved 9/11 quickly glossed over the Iraq part of it leading to the conclusion that laughing at America was the real goal of our critics (some call them allies). People who cried "no war for oil" proved to be the most vile, wretched, most decrepit souls in the West considering that virtually everything they own is an oil product and that somehow "starving children for oil while looking away" was acceptable. And here we see the other side of the oil complaint from you that were all about invading for oil, but are now disenchanted because his gas went up as if someone of status somewhere actually stated that this is a war for cheap gasoline.

In the end, the ignorance of people lead me to conclude that our nation would be completely and totally lost were it not for the very extreme few politicians that have their fingers on the pulse of the world and our military who actively participate in it. We have enemies. And they prefer to blame us for everything that goes wrong in their civilization rather than accept cultural responsibility for their own creations. We don't deny education. We don't prescribe tribal rage and hate. We didn't slash lines across tribes creating the zoo that is the Middle East. But here we have even Americans more than willing to blame the slaughter between Muslims on America.

Why don't we just give up? I mean if we are willing to give our enemies validation by agreeing that Americans can be blamed for everything they fail at, what is the point of the struggle? After centuries of slaughtering themselves and after the last sixty years where Muslims have fought no fewer than "19" open wars against each other on ethnic slaughter campaigns, America gets to be blamed for not maintaining the dictator any longer. We are criticized for using the dictators during the Cold War to maintain stability in this upside down European made civilization, but expected to be criticized for finally heading in the other direction too?

I detest knowing that my sweat and blood is for people like you. I like to think that you are a minority. But the truth is that more and more Americans are getting used to not knowing what television doesn't tell them. That more and more look for their favorite commentators to tell them about military affairs. That more and more Americans are becoming more and more ignorant and allowing reporters to dictate military procedures by ignoring any sense of integrity on the battlefield and portraying every situation with exaggeration and lies.

In the end, you get your wisdom from people who have never served and have no idea what is really going on outside the comfort of the American Disney Land.

you make a good point about Rumsfeld and his "you go to war with the army you have not the army you wish you had" bull****. but from there on your post turns into complete garbage as usual.

if you don't want to commit the resources to do it right ... then don't do it !

its simple !

and yes babysitting Saddam is bad and overthrowing him is bad as well. why do you see a contradiction here ? what makes you think that we had to choose between one or the other ?

we didn't have to sell chemical and biological weapons to him and we didn't have to hang him. we didn't have to do ****. everything we did was for the worst as always because people like you think you have a brain.

meanwhile Libertarians have a simple solution - do nothing. it works perfectly but is never implemented because not enough people have a high enough IQ to understand that doing nothing is also an option.
 
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Ha ha.

You just compared yourself to Thomas Jefferson.

You are a raving lunatic.
He is one of the fathers of our nation.

and you are a naive and ignorant child.

of course i compared myself to Thomas Jefferson.

he agrees with me on virtually every single point. so does Malcolm X. too bad they're dead.
 
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there is little genetic difference between a human and a potato too you know.

You just blew your own arguments foot clean off.


Whats really on your mind? This spastic rant cant really be what you came here for.
 
You just blew your own arguments foot clean off.


Whats really on your mind? This spastic rant cant really be what you came here for.

the reason for shared DNA is evolution. 50,000 years ago or 2,000 generations ago White and Black people were the same people. but life on earth is obviously much older than that. virtually 100% of evolution took place BEFORE white and black people became separated and for this reason virtually 100% of DNA is the same between them.

consider two brothers - one went to harvard and became a professor and another dropped out of school and became a junkie. are they the same or different ? if you look at their DNA they are the same. but if you OPEN YOUR ****ING EYES AND USE THEM you will know they're different.

what people need to understand is that bogus scientific arguments can be devised to defend any absurd view. Hitler had no problem using science as a proof that Jews need to be exterminated. and Liberals today have no problem using science as a "proof" that black people are just like white.

but in both cases its just A LOAD OF CRAP.

my advise to everybody is simple - turn off your ****ing TV and open your ****ing eyes.
 
and you are a naive and ignorant child.

of course i compared myself to Thomas Jefferson.

The difference is that he lived in an era when holding such views was NOT completely retarded and impractical.
 
so **** lovers - do you think everything is always true ?

that TV is a truth machine ? that god speaks to you directly through your ****ing wretched tube ?

Of course. I do everything the box tells me. It's like I'm a slave to its powers. Can you rescue me?
 
so **** lovers - do you think everything is always true ?

that TV is a truth machine ? that god speaks to you directly through your ****ing wretched tube ?

Nope, I think he speaks to me directly through your brilliant and insightful posts. He's telling me that George Bush orchestrated 9/11, black people are fundamentally different from white people despite sharing nearly 100% of our genetic code, and genetically modified foods (despite the fact that we've been modifying genes for millennia) will kill me.

I'm so glad I don't believe in bull**** anymore. :lol:
 
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we maintained this guy alright.

since you were in the military i won't talk to you as i believe arguing with military and religious people ( the two are basically the same ) is something only the most complete idiot would do.

your argument about OBL is some of the most incoherent pieces of garbage i have ever seen posted on the internet.

i can argue against your argument with anybody who can swear they have no family members in the military. that disease of the mind is genetic - even if its only your brother or son who is in the military you are already the victim of the debilitating effects.

As opposed to you, some little jerk-off who supported a war for lower gas prices and thinks the government was behind 9/11.
 
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The difference is that he lived in an era when holding such views was NOT completely retarded and impractical.




oh, you were trying to match intellectual prowess with the the thread starter with this statist statement..... kudos! :thumbs: :2razz:
 
anyway its about my bed time. i need to wake up tomorrow to go look at some stuff. talk to you later.

Make sure you check under your bed for government agents.
 
He's a libertarian. They're not racists. They're the teenagers of the American political world. Teenagers in the sense that you know how teenagers are just waiting to have sex so they can spill their liquids and show the entire world how they're just like the rest of us? Yeah that is libertarians for the most part. The only problem is that when adults(liberals and conservatives) don't take them seriously enough because of their behavior(i.e. political beliefs) they quickly go into whiner mode or simply scream that we're morons and don't understand them or go into low brow insult mode. That's basically the best way to describe the libertarian mindset for the most part. There are of course some exceptions like anything but when I think of Libertarians I think of teenagers. I mean I see them as Che Guevara t-shirt-wearers or dressed in all black just to piss their parents off.

Yea, I'm a ****ing teenager. Good point, dude.
 
genetically modified foods (despite the fact that we've been modifying genes for millennia) will kill me.

yes genes have been naturally modified for millenia. that's why an apple is different from a potato. that's why if you go to a supermarket and ask for a potato you expect a potato not an apple.

but with GM foods you ask for one thing and get another. because Monsanto paid the government to make sure the packaging doesn't say that you're getting a genetically MODIFIED version of the product.

how would you like it if potato growers paid the government to make sure that when you buy apple juice its really a potato juice inside the bottle but says apple juice on the sticker ? well that's exactly what they did.

research showed that genetically modified foods have negative side effects not found in their nonmodified counterparts. just as you would expect different risks from eating pork as opposed to chicken for example. the difference is that if you wanted to substitute pork with chicken in your diet you could easily do that. but if you wanted to substitute GM food with normal food there wouldn't be much you could do because it is NOT LABELLED thanks to Monsanto's lobbying.

Donald Rumsfeld is easily one of the biggest Assholes of our time. Whether it is selling biological weapons to middle eastern dictators or poisonous foods to American public - he is the man for the job. I think the reason he was put in charge of the military is probably because of how much he likes to make people suffer and die.
 
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yes genes have been naturally modified for millenia. that's why an apple is different from a potato. that's why if you go to a supermarket and ask for a potato you expect a potato not an apple.

but with GM foods you ask for one thing and get another. because Monsanto paid the government to make sure the packaging doesn't say that you're getting a genetically MODIFIED version of the product.

how would you like it if potato growers paid the government to make sure that when you buy apple juice its really a potato juice inside the bottle but says apple juice on the sticker ? well that's exactly what they did.

:baby2 <----This is you.
 
:baby2 <----This is you.

intelligent people have been throughout history considered whiny by an average dumb ****.

ps: personal attacks without any content to the message sure give you a lot of credibility in the debate.
 
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intelligent people have been throughout history considered whiny by an average dumb ****.

That's true, but it doesn't apply in this situation. You really ARE just a whiney little bitch and I really AM justified in pointing it out.

ps: personal attacks without any content to the message sure give you a lot of credibility in the debate.

:baby2 <----- This is you, again.

By the way, I thought it was your bed time. Did you sneak out of your room or is mommy just warming up your milk?
 
The difference is that he lived in an era when holding such views was NOT completely retarded and impractical.

but then came you - and now the world is created in the image of your ***** liberal views.

yes those were the days. the idiot machine ( television ) has not been invented yet. people like you did not exist.
 
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but then came you - and now the world is created in the image of your ***** liberal views.

Yea, the world would be so much better with you in charge. Anytime gas prices got too high we could just invade another country. Thomas Jefferson would have been totally down with that...:roll:
 
He's a libertarian. They're not racists. They're the teenagers of the American political world. Teenagers in the sense that you know how teenagers are just waiting to have sex so they can spill their liquids and show the entire world how they're just like the rest of us? Yeah that is libertarians for the most part. The only problem is that when adults(liberals and conservatives) don't take them seriously enough because of their behavior(i.e. political beliefs) they quickly go into whiner mode or simply scream that we're morons and don't understand them or go into low brow insult mode. That's basically the best way to describe the libertarian mindset for the most part. There are of course some exceptions like anything but when I think of Libertarians I think of teenagers. I mean I see them as Che Guevara t-shirt-wearers or dressed in all black just to piss their parents off.

Don't put me in the same category as a few malcontents. Conservatives and Liberals are not better. Besides, going after a whole political movement like this isn't exactly mature. We aren't exactly Neo-Nazis.
 
Yea, the world would be so much better with you in charge. Anytime gas prices got too high we could just invade another country. Thomas Jefferson would have been totally down with that...:roll:

i told you i recanted those views. even somebody as perfect as me sometimes makes mistakes. at least i admit mine.
 
If Thomas Jefferson was a 9/11 truthers I'd have just as little respect for him as for all other 9/11 truthers.
 
i told you i recanted those views.

When? Was it after the forum pointed out how entirely retarded they were?

even somebody as perfect as me sometimes makes mistakes. at least i admit mine.

You're a damn joke. Go suck Alex Jones' nuts.
 
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